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Posted: August 19, 2005, 8:47 pm - IP Logged Bottom

the whole concept of the government siezing assets of convicted criminals for those offenses to which they qualify.

 

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Posted: August 20, 2005, 5:35 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

I disagree with the basic concept of state or federal property seizures of lottery winnings, if the ticket was legitimately purchased by the claimant, that is, not stolen from someone else.  That is additional, excessive punishment for a crime that he has already been punished for.  He paid his dollar and took his chance like everyone else.  If a slimy drug dealing criminal wins, so be it, but that is what happens in games of chance. If the government doesn't like that idea, let them cancel the lottery.

In this case, he was not arrested or convicted when he bought the ticket and was issued the check, so taking the money afterwards is an even more despicable government act.  This sets up the possibility that any winner could be set up and arrested after winning the lottery with the intent of seizing winnings.  I don't like that idea, do you?

>But using money from ill-gotten gains (drug money) to buy a lottery ticket and any winnings from that ticket or buying anything else (houses, cars, boats, etc.) gives the gov't the power to seize anything you own.

If you spent $90,000 of drug money on a boat, then you had and spent $90,000. In this case, he spent $1 on a $1 lottery ticket.  The winnings are not what he spent.  If the government does have a case to seize, they should only be entitled to seize the dollar he spent on the ticket.

 

 

 

 

A $1 lottery ticket is an asset just like buying a boat gives you an asset. You purchase that ticket you own that piece of paper and any possible winnings attached to that piece of paper. The difference with a lottery ticket is that it may be worth nothing if the ticket isn't  a winner. But it also could be worth millions if it is a winner which would be a big asset.

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Posted: August 20, 2005, 6:59 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

My impression from the story is that the guy'd already cashed in the ticket.  It was the winnings they took.

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Posted: August 20, 2005, 2:06 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Maybe he can get a return of part of the taxes?

More money to seize!

 

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I was watching an episode of COP last night that showed a guy being stopped for running a stop sign and 5 small bags of power sugar that looked like cocaine were found in his trunk.  They concluded that he was planning to ripe off some drug users and arrested him for having fakes of a control substance.  I had never heard of such a law, but I guess there are "got you" laws in every state that people don't know exist.  I wondered if ones assets could be taken for such an offense.

I got stop one time for touching the white edge line that mark where the road berm begins even though I never touch the berm.  Had I been on a road that only had a center line, I would have been alright.  I only got a warning ticket and looked up the law sighted and it was written mainly to cover crossing the center lines but vague enough to cover any lines white or yellow. 

That kind of thing happens all the time.  When Collen Powers went to the UN to get backing for our invasion of Iraq, he noted that two water trucks had been spotted in a country that's half dessert as proof they they were building chemical weapons and the trucks were being used to wash away any accidental chemical spills.

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Posted: August 21, 2005, 2:36 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

i can't imagine the UN agreeing with an attack on Iraq only with a statement from General Colin Powel about water tanks in the desert.

i like to believe decisions that large are based on issues that are world affecting, complicated and filled with information not available to the general public.

when playing poker you do not tell the opposition what you are holding or when you are bluffing.

 

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Posted: August 21, 2005, 4:37 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

They concluded that he was planning to ripe off some drug users and arrested him for having fakes of a control substance.  I had never heard of such a law, but I guess there are "got you" laws in every state that people don't know exist.  I wondered if ones assets could be taken for such an offense.

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I'm wondering if there's anything of that sort involving coffee.  Seems to me there's bound to be a law against possession of decaffinated (fake) coffee. 

If the authorities are opposed to people having fakes of a control substance it's probably just a badly needed means of protecting themselves from snorting powdered sugar.  That stuff could probably damage the nasal passages.

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Posted: August 21, 2005, 5:18 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

I've heard of the police taking vehicles that are stopped with drugs. It doesn't matter if the vehicle is owned by the offender or not. I know I'de be really P*$$ed off if they took my car because I let a friend or family member use my car and they got stopped with drugs in my car. That's 1 reason I don't let NO ONE drive my car.

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Posted: August 21, 2005, 5:28 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

All the judicial system is about is money anyway. I went to Illinois and had neon lights under my car. I drove 7 hours at night with the lights on seeing all kinds of police on the interstate before a State Trooper pulled me over. He told me they were illegal in IL and was going to give me a ticket unless I could turn them off. Well in TN we have only one plate on our cars, so on the front of my car I had a plate that looked like a IL tag that said "Menace". Well, in order for me to turn off the neon lights I had to go under the hood to unplug it. While I was doing that the trooper had a flashlight looking at the front of my car and seen the plate. When I finished and got back in the car he asked to see my drivers license because he was going to just check to make sure they were valid. He was back in his car for about 15 minutes then came back with a ticket. I got a ticket for unlawful use of registration. I later went to court for it and told the judge that they need to have state rules and regs at welcome centers when you come into the state. He said he would throw the case out but he wanted me to pay the court fees. I paid the court fees which were more then the fine but it didn't go onto my drivers record.

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