3 who hit jackpot in S.C. games share advice on the pitfalls of newfound wealth
Just in case you're the first one to win big money in the N.C. Education Lottery that starts Thursday, S.C. lottery winners have some advice:
Be careful about loaning money. Get a tax adviser. And if you owe anyone money, don't let lottery officials put your picture on the Internet.
Don't get them wrong. Three winners interviewed by the Observer are perfectly happy to keep the money, thank you. But they've had their headaches.
One winner says his child support payments doubled, eating into his take. Another says she lost a friend after loaning $800. A third got a big tax bill she wasn't expecting.
Susan Bradley, a Florida-based certified financial planner who has advised lottery winners, said people don't have to win millions for a lottery windfall to change their lives. Even a relatively small jackpot can cause tension with friends and family.
"It isn't as easy as it looks," she said.
Donna Moye: $100,000
Donna Moye won $100,000 in the S.C. lottery. She also lost a friend.Moye, of Gaffney, S.C., says she'd gotten lucky in the lottery several times before that — winning a few hundred dollars here and there. But when she hit the big money just before Thanksgiving 2004 by playing numbers based on birthdays, she decided to celebrate in style.
Moye, who works as a dispatcher for a trucking company, got together with some friends and borrowed her boss's white limousine. They rode to Columbia to collect the winnings.
The money helped Moye crawl out of debt, she said. Moye had closed a money-losing NASCAR collectibles store two years earlier. The lottery money helped her pay remaining bills from the business and pay off credit cards.
She also had a little fun — buying her sister a big-screen television and paying off her Honda CR-V, which she later traded for a truck.
She loaned a close friend $800 and later got into a fight over the money. The two haven't mended fences.
"To me, it wasn't something worth losing a friendship over," she said. "But to him, it was."
Ty Cobb: $100,000
Ty Cobb, a pro fisherman who lives in Carolina Beach, often buys lottery tickets for his buddies when he drives to South Carolina. A ticket he bought three days after his birthday in June 2004 provided his windfall.
His troubles started a little later, when the S.C. Education Lottery put a picture of him grinning and holding a $100,000 check on its Web site.
"My ex-wife caught wind of it," said Cobb. "They doubled my child support payments and they put a $100,000 lien on my home."
Cobb, who owns a small sports bar, says he kept enough money to pay some bills. Cobb says he still buys lottery tickets, but if he wins again, he'll try to keep the news quiet.
3/28/2006
Now, this is funny.....and enlightening:
Be careful about loaning money. Get a tax adviser. And if you owe anyone money, don't let lottery officials put your picture on the Internet.
Don't get them wrong. Three winners interviewed by the Observer are perfectly happy to keep the money, thank you. But they've had their headaches.
One winner says his child support payments doubled, eating into his take. Another says she lost a friend after loaning $800. A third got a big tax bill she wasn't expecting.
Fst...if you lend someone money...do it only because they are very close to you and have always been there for you, when you were down and out. Therefore, you won't worry about them repaying it, especially as you won so much, which enabled you to lend it to them in the fst place.
2nd....Gee...oh I am just really broken hearted over the guy who found his child support payments doubled because of his winnings.....yeah, I am really crying for him.....And what did he expect??? He is afterall 'THE FATHER'....the kids are 'HIS CHILDREN'......shut up and provide......
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3/28/2006
........and I just know that now, with most of their private information, made public for all the world to see, the winners are of course, still living at their same addresses and work addresses..lololollo especially TY COBB....with all his 'child support payments'....lolololololololol
The WinnersTY COBB
DONNA MOYE
SHIRLEY GREER
Source
I think winners should be able to keep all of their information private. They only want you to take a picture and have your name put out there for everyone so that the lottery pulls in more players. When I win I don't want anyone to know unless I tell them. With all of that said, I probably won't win.
3/28/2006
Hi 'loves2'........now don't say that, you have as much chance as anyone, and you deserve to win ... be positive about it....ckeck your States rules on Lottery winning. I am here in Maryland, and those residents of Maryland and the Nation's Capitol, who win Lottery prizes can do so annonymously, if we so choose.......and no one ever finds out, unless we tell ......
libra926-
I am in the column for remaining annonymous. I think people ask for heartache and chaos when they are just to eager to share the news of their "sudden wealth." If I win PB in D.C. or MM in Md. I will claim it in blind trust and move forward with life!
Hi delS....
I do concurr w/you and it's so nice to have the option....I didn't know you were also a resident....it's fun to have a compatriot on-line.........I think the 'shock' itself is going to throw me. I'd be sitting at home re-reading the winning ticket until it sunk in.....should take 30mins.....lolololololoolool.at least
I think they should be able to keep it anonymous....I feel for the man whose child support doubled..now how is he going to pay it..he only won $100,000.00 and when u r paying child support, that is not much..the 100,000.00 lein on his house makes no sense to me..he must have been behind in his payments..he would have been better off just giving all of the winnings to his kids.
"One winner says his child support payments doubled, eating into his take. Another says she lost a friend after loaning $800. A third got a big tax bill she wasn't expecting."
Common denominator here: not one of them solicited/received professional advice.
The Winners
TY COBB
DONNA MOYE
SHIRLEY GREER
It's funny & ironic that this article advises staying out of the spotlight and then the same 3 people are telling their tales to the press! At least that's the way I see it!
"You can have a loss of identity, because now you're one of those people with money," Bradley said.
Hmm..maybe that's why I never used my BA in Psychology! As Keenan Wynn said to Bob Newhart in one of the funniest episodes ever on television "It's all a crock!" I wonder if one of the homeless people who are invisible to most of society agree with this statement.
This article isn't even talking about people who won $50 million. $100,000 isn't that much even after taxes. It would help me quite a bit by paying medical bills and credit card debt, and giving me something to put into a retirement account, but why anyone would think there is so much extra to share is puzzling. A lot of people make $100,000 a year and aren't expected to just hand out their paychecks. I suppose it's because it's money you won instead of earned.
OK so after reading some of this... I thought that if you win the lottery and are not in arrears with your child support since its not a "earned income" that they could not take any to Child Support..is this not so? In Ohio I know that we are able to keep ourselves anonymous and that is a beig relief! I mean you all know as well as I do that we would have relatives coming out of the wood work!! Any one and everyone standing there thinking that you owe them something. NOPE not me! I mean dont get me wrong I would show some love to my family but on my own terms not theirs!
On another topic, The winners that hit the mega here in Lyons claimed there funds in a Blind Trust. I have done a little reading on this but I dont really understand what it is that they did and or why? Can someone explain to me in detail about that? I know that its a 3rd party but what is the scoop??
OK so after reading some of this... I thought that if you win the lottery and are not in arrears with your child support since its not a "earned income" that they could not take any to Child Support..is this not so? In Ohio I know that we are able to keep ourselves anonymous and that is a beig relief! I mean you all know as well as I do that we would have relatives coming out of the wood work!! Any one and everyone standing there thinking that you owe them something. NOPE not me! I mean dont get me wrong I would show some love to my family but on my own terms not theirs!
On another topic, The winners that hit the mega here in Lyons claimed there funds in a Blind Trust. I have done a little reading on this but I dont really understand what it is that they did and or why? Can someone explain to me in detail about that? I know that its a 3rd party but what is the scoop??
Sassy, Welcome aboard.....
You just get the legal advice first, which these people didn't.
The lawyer can claim the funds on your behalf as a trust if this is acceptable in your state.
Easy, but so many don't take advantage....thus you get what we got in this hear case.
"The only poor choice she made was not seeking tax shelter for a large win. That is suicidal." DoubleDown
Agree. I think one problem is that people often think that the lottery deducts the total taxes due, which isn't true. I believe the maximum personal federal tax for 2006 is 35% and the FL lottery deducts 25% (some states take out 28%) Then there's state tax too, which in some states can vary depending on income. (we don't have one) I'm not sure if lottery winners can take advantage of income averaging, but that's what a good accountant or tax attorney would know.
"the 100,000.00 lein on his house makes no sense to me.." Littleoldlady
I thought the same thing when I read the article. The lien is probably temporary. Maybe he was hiding income or, as you said, behind in his payments. I can't say I feel sorry for him, because we don't know if he was a deadbeat Dad or his wife is being vindictive. In any case, there is a way he could have put it in a trust for his children, but it sounds as if he was being selfish. When they wrote his child support doubled, they might mean it went from $150 a month to $300 a month. The statement really doesn't mean anything without indicating an amount.
Great story! Enjoyed the fact that it was your average folks with average misconceptions. We all carry them from time to time thru life. Hindsight is always 20/20. As justexploring indicated, the facts are vague and open to interpretation. The Part that is perturbing is that a person doesnt GET the fact that the government will and no doubt monitors winners closer, come claim time. Be wise and place that 10% that will ultimately need paid, into some 6 month term investment CD so that when it is time to pay the piper, the money is there. (footnote : that is 10% above the 25% that will get taken out come issuance time, equating to 35% in total to the good old Uncle same)
The old saying that a fool and his money soon part is part of the lottery speel. My state post on its website the advisal that large jackpot winners seek financial and tax advise prior to claiming. Its not a rule so much as a suggestion for them. :)
" I can't say I feel sorry for him, because we don't know if he was a deadbeat Dad or his wife is being vindictive. "
Dead being the key word here: Ty Cobb died in 1961. I've heard of a death tax, but geeezzz...