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Atwater, Ohio United States Member #33045 February 14, 2006 1234 Posts Offline
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"Hargrove said she did not believe fraud was involved. She said a player would have had to spend $720 to win $500 in the Cash 3 game and $5,040 to win $5,000 in Cash 4, making it unlikely anyone would purposely rig the games." This statement is about one of the biggest red herrings I have ever read. WOW. Could you please elaborate and explain, how this has anything to do with rigging draws? I believe that statement was made to take the attention from who would benefit the most by having a rigged drawing. When Hargrove announced the Tennessee Lottery was going to computer drawings she sited "to maximize dollars for education" as one of the reasons. When players began pointing out a possible problem with the new computer drawings because no doubles were drawn, they were told that security had looked into it to insure integrity of its games "to maximize dollars for education". Even if we assume the explanations of the "U" and "R" keys as the truth, there is still that matter of those emails saying security ran test draws and doubles were drawn. Hargrove's statements prove that was a lie, but whether or not those emails were sent out by a summer intern or the official lottery spokesperson is irrelevant because the emails came from Hargrove's office. Will the probe investigate that and call for Hargrove's resignation or will they whitewash it because we all know who benefits the most by having a rigged drawing?
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mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 9245 Posts Offline
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"James H. Ripley, a Sevierville attorney who heads the 3-year-old lottery's audit group, said the agency should probe more deeply" I thought auditing a lottery was an ongoing operation which was independent of the people running the games that checked equipment before each drawing and approved changes before they were installed to insure the results would be fair and random. From Mr.Ripley statement I get the impression an audit doesn't occur until after a mistake is obvious and then the checks are done by people running the games who reports back to the audit group. In other words when the farmer want to know what happened to his chickens he ask the fox in the hen house to investigate and report back to him. * Trying is the first step toward failure *
homer J. Simpson
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Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 1427 Posts Offline
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The Tennessean contacted me about doing a editorial about the Lottery mess but I don't think I will do it because I don't have time. If so, you should make time, or refer them to Todd. IMHO. Really, or lottomike, it is a great opportunity. What is your conceptual continuity? __________________________________________________
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ORLANDO, FLORIDA United States Member #5011 June 3, 2004 1579 Posts Online
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I believe that statement was made to take the attention from who would benefit the most by having a rigged drawing. When Hargrove announced the Tennessee Lottery was going to computer drawings she sited "to maximize dollars for education" as one of the reasons. When players began pointing out a possible problem with the new computer drawings because no doubles were drawn, they were told that security had looked into it to insure integrity of its games "to maximize dollars for education". Even if we assume the explanations of the "U" and "R" keys as the truth, there is still that matter of those emails saying security ran test draws and doubles were drawn. Hargrove's statements prove that was a lie, but whether or not those emails were sent out by a summer intern or the official lottery spokesperson is irrelevant because the emails came from Hargrove's office. Will the probe investigate that and call for Hargrove's resignation or will they whitewash it because we all know who benefits the most by having a rigged drawing? I am no computer programmer, but I guarantee you and everyone else, there were no tests done. If the RNG can't generate a double, then there so called test can't generate a double unless , a programmer over rode the code. If a programmer can change the code to generate a double. What's to stop that same programmer from generating a winning number and buying a 100 tickets, or a friend from buying a hundred tickets. They need to back track and see if a big group of winning tickets were purchased at the same time. This is worse than they are saying. They are acting like a cat in a litter box. A fox is in the hen house, Rjoh.
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nashville United States Member #50355 February 18, 2007 907 Posts Offline
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The Tennessean contacted me about doing a editorial about the Lottery mess but I don't think I will do it because I don't have time. i agree with jarasan you should pass it on to lottomike or let them know about lotterypost.com so they could get articles from here and talk to Todd.
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MD United States Member #1735 June 18, 2003 5151 Posts Offline
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I am no computer programmer, but I guarantee you and everyone else, there were no tests done. If the RNG can't generate a double, then there so called test can't generate a double unless , a programmer over rode the code. If a programmer can change the code to generate a double. What's to stop that same programmer from generating a winning number and buying a 100 tickets, or a friend from buying a hundred tickets. They need to back track and see if a big group of winning tickets were purchased at the same time. This is worse than they are saying. They are acting like a cat in a litter box. A fox is in the hen house, Rjoh. So what your saying basically they sold the system and fixed it so they could buy hundreds or more tickets every day it was broke so to speak and make a 100 fold profit without anyone being the wiser. Great post. I said something close to this in another post. What's to stop Tenn from doing it any time they want. Also the guy might also have a laptop which communicates with the RNG via wireless connection and he sends whatever number he wants to come out Yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa! take the money and run.........
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Albany,Georgia United States Member #46060 August 24, 2006 1202 Posts Offline
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OH Rebacca Paul !! LOL back track to the Georgia Lottery the 777 and don't forget the Flordia Lottery LoL !!
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1096 Posts Offline
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There's going to be a lot of p'ed off people that have thrown their losing tickets away that can't get a refund. Gonna win.
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North New Jersey United States Member #5812 July 18, 2004 10419 Posts Offline
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" She also said the glitch and the publicity about it had not hurt sales of Cash 3 and Cash 4 tickets, which were somewhat higher last week. The lottery has increased the prize money for those games." ______________________________________________________________________________ She would make one hell of a press secretary for some politicion now would'nt she... Boy, I feel sorry for the players knowing she's patching this up to the hilt....! Peace at last..
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Indiana United States Member #29567 December 29, 2005 280 Posts Offline
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| Posted: August 29, 2007, 11:45 am - IP Logged |
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I believe that statement was made to take the attention from who would benefit the most by having a rigged drawing. When Hargrove announced the Tennessee Lottery was going to computer drawings she sited "to maximize dollars for education" as one of the reasons. When players began pointing out a possible problem with the new computer drawings because no doubles were drawn, they were told that security had looked into it to insure integrity of its games "to maximize dollars for education". Even if we assume the explanations of the "U" and "R" keys as the truth, there is still that matter of those emails saying security ran test draws and doubles were drawn. Hargrove's statements prove that was a lie, but whether or not those emails were sent out by a summer intern or the official lottery spokesperson is irrelevant because the emails came from Hargrove's office. Will the probe investigate that and call for Hargrove's resignation or will they whitewash it because we all know who benefits the most by having a rigged drawing? This is one of the most insightful posts I have read on the matter so far! Let's look at the facts, ask some questions and see who benefits most from this: Q. Who made the decision to switch to an RNG? A. Rebecca Hargrove Q. Who assured us that the drawings would be secure? A. Rebecca Hargrove Q. Whose office sent out the e-mails telling people the RNG had been tested and doubles were drawn? A. Rebecca Hargrove Q. Whose office is heading up the investigation? A. Rebecca Hargrove Q. Who will get the credit when the state's education money is fully maximized? A. Rebecca Hargrove Q. Who stands to benefit personally (in the form of bonus money) from the additional profit money? A. Rebecca Hargrove It doesn't make sense that a programmer (or anyone else) would rig a game and eliminate doubles just top give themself an edge. There are still a couple of hundred combinations to choose from and not really that much of advantage to someone trying to score big or score consistantly. But it does make sense for someone in a position of authority to rig the game. Not only can they justify their decision to the powers that be (and look good in the process) by saying look at how much more profit we made by switching to an RNG but they will also benefit personally from the additional bonus money. I read an article on line in The Tennesseean (I think) that listed Rebecca Hargrove's salary at $380,000. Her personal bonus can be as much as 65% of her base salary. In real dollars that's $247,000 (if that $380,000 is accurate)! Bottom line: She had a motive...the means and the opportunity. And her statements to date have been disingenous to say the least if not outright lies. She needs to be looked at hard in this matter. She shouldn't be investigating the matter. Rather she should be the target of the investigation. Jim Money frees you from doing things you dislike. Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy. - Groucho Marx
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