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Retired auto worker, 2 children claim $314M Powerball lottery jackpot
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United States Member #10921 January 23, 2005 764 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 14, 2007, 11:02 pm - IP Logged |
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314M - isn't that the exact (annuity value) amount JW won? Someday all of you will be over 65 so you'll enter into the high winning bracket yourself, and by then maybe the jackpots will be over a billion!
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1096 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 14, 2007, 11:36 pm - IP Logged |
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314M - isn't that the exact (annuity value) amount JW won? Someday all of you will be over 65 so you'll enter into the high winning bracket yourself, and by then maybe the jackpots will be over a billion! This one was $314.3M, Jack Whitaker won $314.9M.
Gonna win.
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NY United States Member #24178 October 16, 2005 1379 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 15, 2007, 12:09 am - IP Logged |
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The difference between this PB jackpot and Jack's is far bigger than those numbers suggest. These people and Jack both chose the lump sum. They're getting about 146 million before taxes and Jack got about 170. Yet another excellent example of how misleading the annuity value is.
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1096 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 15, 2007, 12:48 pm - IP Logged |
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The difference between this PB jackpot and Jack's is far bigger than those numbers suggest. These people and Jack both chose the lump sum. They're getting about 146 million before taxes and Jack got about 170. Yet another excellent example of how misleading the annuity value is. It's not misleading. You get the prize you choose. You're trying to say that because Jack Whitaker's cash value was $170M and this one was $146M, that the cash value has gone down, but that's not true. It is the interest rates that have gone UP. The cash value is determined first, then they calculate the annuity value. So now, PowerBall can offer a higher annuity prize with less cash than it could 5 years ago. Gonna win.
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Sunny SW Florida United States Member #25708 November 5, 2005 4070 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 15, 2007, 3:07 pm - IP Logged |
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I agree with both of you. Yes, interest rates are a bit higher, but I don't think that's the only reason. Isn't another reason the lump sum value is lower because PB changed the structure from even payments to gradual increases? That makes a big difference because the annuitant gets a much smaller check every year and, therefore, more money stays in the pot making it grow. So the final amount after 30 years is higher but the initial amount is considerably lower. IMHO this is cheating the player, because most people when they realize all the negatives will take the lump sum. I wouldn't complain if I "only" ended up with $10 million but that's not the point. Also, I used to think taking annual payments was the way to go until another LP member enlightened me to the fact that, if I bite the dust, my beneficiaries will have to pay estate tax on the entire amount, even though they haven't yet received it. I looked that up and there have been many lawsuits against the IRS because, of course, people can't possibly pay it without selling the annuity and taking a huge loss. Then they end up with hardly anything. So maybe it isn't false advertising, but to me it's very deceptive.
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1096 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 15, 2007, 3:46 pm - IP Logged |
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I agree with both of you. Yes, interest rates are a bit higher, but I don't think that's the only reason. Isn't another reason the lump sum value is lower because PB changed the structure from even payments to gradual increases? That makes a big difference because the annuitant gets a much smaller check every year and, therefore, more money stays in the pot making it grow. So the final amount after 30 years is higher but the initial amount is considerably lower. IMHO this is cheating the player, because most people when they realize all the negatives will take the lump sum. I wouldn't complain if I "only" ended up with $10 million but that's not the point. Also, I used to think taking annual payments was the way to go until another LP member enlightened me to the fact that, if I bite the dust, my beneficiaries will have to pay estate tax on the entire amount, even though they haven't yet received it. I looked that up and there have been many lawsuits against the IRS because, of course, people can't possibly pay it without selling the annuity and taking a huge loss. Then they end up with hardly anything. So maybe it isn't false advertising, but to me it's very deceptive. People should automatically assume that the advertised jackpot is the annuity amount, so it's not false advertising. It even states on the PowerBall website that the annuity value and cash value are 2 distinct prize options and because it's your option which prize to take, you really having nothing to complain about and there is no cheating of the player. There's also the third option: DON'T PLAY. If someone is going to complain about a game and it's rules, then that person shouldn't even play at all. Either be happy with what the game offers, or don't play, it's as simple as that. Of course, those people who are currently complaining about cash value vs annuity value all of a sudden won, I'm sure they wouldn't be complaining at all. Gonna win.
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 122 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 15, 2007, 10:45 pm - IP Logged |
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People should automatically assume that the advertised jackpot is the annuity amount, so it's not false advertising. It even states on the PowerBall website that the annuity value and cash value are 2 distinct prize options and because it's your option which prize to take, you really having nothing to complain about and there is no cheating of the player. There's also the third option: DON'T PLAY. If someone is going to complain about a game and it's rules, then that person shouldn't even play at all. Either be happy with what the game offers, or don't play, it's as simple as that. Of course, those people who are currently complaining about cash value vs annuity value all of a sudden won, I'm sure they wouldn't be complaining at all. well I dis-agree with the assumtion that if you don't like the RULES OF THE GAME , AND YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE GAME ........don't play ; the lottery are State run and state controled (in part) and the Government is You and me and all of its citizens .....so we do have a right to complain......and to make new laws concerning the lottery ...I always hated some new lotterys like Mega who pay out over 26 years.....thats way to long I say 20 yrs,. is considered life; I prefer my money while I am alive not dead @Time is also against the value of money and gives weight to your argument on the annuity ;
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1096 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 16, 2007, 11:55 am - IP Logged |
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well I dis-agree with the assumtion that if you don't like the RULES OF THE GAME , AND YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE GAME ........don't play ; the lottery are State run and state controled (in part) and the Government is You and me and all of its citizens .....so we do have a right to complain......and to make new laws concerning the lottery ...I always hated some new lotterys like Mega who pay out over 26 years.....thats way to long I say 20 yrs,. is considered life; I prefer my money while I am alive not dead @Time is also against the value of money and gives weight to your argument on the annuity ; Wait, you're telling me you don't think someone shouldn't play a game if they don't like the rules? That just doesn't make sense. They know the rules, they should either be happy with them or not, and if they don't, they shouldn't play. Not everyone can be pleased. It's just simple logic. Also, when in my previous post did I say the annuity option is better than the cash option? I didn't. You said you want your money now, but I would guess you are 35 or older. Someone much younger, for example, me, who is 21 years old, might be better off taking the annuity option. Neither of the 2 options is completely better than the other. It just depends on the person who won, and in the end, it's their choice. Gonna win.
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 122 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 18, 2007, 2:47 am - IP Logged |
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Wait, you're telling me you don't think someone shouldn't play a game if they don't like the rules? That just doesn't make sense. They know the rules, they should either be happy with them or not, and if they don't, they shouldn't play. Not everyone can be pleased. It's just simple logic. Also, when in my previous post did I say the annuity option is better than the cash option? I didn't. You said you want your money now, but I would guess you are 35 or older. Someone much younger, for example, me, who is 21 years old, might be better off taking the annuity option. Neither of the 2 options is completely better than the other. It just depends on the person who won, and in the end, it's their choice. What I said was ";;;; the lottery are State run and state controled (in part) and the Government is You and me and all of its citizens .....so we do have a right to complain......and to make new laws concerning the lottery " I stand by my words ...state run operations like the lottery may make new laws diffficault but it is our lottery and we can change the rules for the better............
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United States Member #4963 May 30, 2004 2423 Posts Offline
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| Posted: September 18, 2007, 10:08 pm - IP Logged |
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Congratulations to the Coterels !! Good things happen to good folks. 2nd>>>D>>>motion car-family>>^^^^^^ PSYKOMO
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