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FLASH: Tennessee Lottery audit won't investigate drawing errors
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Indiana United States Member #49185 January 7, 2007 1083 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 6:09 pm - IP Logged |
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The simple truth is they LIED !!! They said the drawings could not be tampered with. Here is the very proof the draw can be tampered with !!! The lottery can change the result to avoid a problem draw by selecting U or R. Let's say they have a huge sale of 911 on 9/11 they can choose to avoid a repeating digit coming up for that draw. Why would such an option be in there? What other draw changing options are in there? They got caught !!!
BobP
Why would such an option be in there? You need to understand that these "options" are in the source code, not the user interface. It's not like there's an button or checkbox to apply these options whenever the lottery feels like it. The lottery only has access to the compiled executable. Of course, there are ways to manipulate a program's operation even without access to the source code, but it's not exactly something the average Joe can do. I just wanted to point that out. Gonna win.
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The Legend has Begun N-Carolina United States Member #53594 June 24, 2007 741 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 6:17 pm - IP Logged |
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The simple truth is they LIED !!! They said the drawings could not be tampered with. Here is the very proof the draw can be tampered with !!! The lottery can change the result to avoid a problem draw by selecting U or R. Let's say they have a huge sale of 911 on 9/11 they can choose to avoid a repeating digit coming up for that draw. Why would such an option be in there? What other draw changing options are in there? They got caught !!!
BobP
I agree with BobP and all the above. I guess they didn't think far enough ahead to come up with an excuse that actually made sense. This is BULL and they know it! This is the problem with virtually anything that's programmed - what's the point of the programmer developing something that's random?? Why aren't the multi-million dollar games computer generated?? DON'T EVEN TRY IT!! Legislators, keep up the fight. You must get to the bottom of this SCAM! And to all the other states that try to pull the same thing -- BEWARE. We're on your case as well. DO NOT take us for fools!! We know how to fight back. We won't put up with being taken advantage of any longer! We spend enough of our hard earned money playing these games. All we're looking for is a fair chance and a level playing field. Don't you think that the odds are in your favor as it is?? Players, hold tight and don't give in!! WE WILL WIN!!!!!! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!! BOYCOTT!!! "Game On.......'CAUSE ACE HAS YOUR NUMBER!!" -- (AceKicka '07)
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Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 1394 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 6:49 pm - IP Logged |
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I agree with BobP and all the above. I guess they didn't think far enough ahead to come up with an excuse that actually made sense. This is BULL and they know it! This is the problem with virtually anything that's programmed - what's the point of the programmer developing something that's random?? Why aren't the multi-million dollar games computer generated?? DON'T EVEN TRY IT!! Legislators, keep up the fight. You must get to the bottom of this SCAM! And to all the other states that try to pull the same thing -- BEWARE. We're on your case as well. DO NOT take us for fools!! We know how to fight back. We won't put up with being taken advantage of any longer! We spend enough of our hard earned money playing these games. All we're looking for is a fair chance and a level playing field. Don't you think that the odds are in your favor as it is?? Players, hold tight and don't give in!! WE WILL WIN!!!!!! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!! BOYCOTT!!! Power to the people!
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United States Member #10921 January 23, 2005 740 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 8:21 pm - IP Logged |
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AGAIN, they obviously didn't have ME writing the program for them, then all this could have been avoided! When they get it together over there maybe I'll write a prg. for the new TN games. Maybe. LET ME 'SPLAIN something in case it hasn't been.. in my program if it is doing RNG on a Pick3/4 game, it picks each digit without regard to the previous. But in a JACKPOT type game, since you can't generate a drawing with 2 of the same balls in a normal draw machine, the RNG has to simulate this by "flagging off" used digits. The programmer forgot to put the IF/THEN section or they didn't tell it that Pick3/4 should use "R" (repeat allowed). This reveals that the SAME algorithm is drawing digit and jackpot games, so you could potentially watch digit games to try to predict jackpot games!!!!!!!! It would look something like this in C#: N=R.Next(matrixSize) //where R is a random #. //where matrixSize would be 10 for Pick3/4 or a higher # for Jackpot games. Afterward it uses a boolean array the same size as the matrix and when a number is used its corresponding boolean flag is set. If R's boolean flag is set then it would loop back to the R.Next statement. Except for Pick3/4 games! In Pick3/4 games this array would be ignored but apparently they forgot to put that in! NOTE!: Being the R could be generated from a white noise source, the exact timing of the operator pushing the Draw button in the program interface would ultimately determine the result, i.e. even if you had this entire program you wouldn't be able to determine future drawings but it might give you a very slight advantage (of course this is assuming NORMAL operation; in the case of the TN drawings a clever programmer would have noted that doubles were blocked!)
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NASHVILLE, TENN United States Member #33768 February 20, 2006 370 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 8:45 pm - IP Logged |
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I certainly don't hold myself out as being a programming expert. I use only Visual Basic and VBA. If there is someone out there who is an expert, I have a question that I would like answered. Is there a computer language and uses "u" and "r" as a reserved word? If there is, I am not aware of its existence. These letters might be a variable within a compiled language but, if so, they are subject to being manipulated via the keyboard or within the body of the program. If these two letters can be set according to whim, then there is nothing fair about Tennessee's lottory. I wonder if other states, using the same company, have the same option with these two letters? If so, then their drawing isn't fair either.
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United States Member #60 October 28, 2001 455 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 11:26 pm - IP Logged |
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...A similar situation happened in Connecticut back around 1987-89. The Ctlottery was running their drawings on superstitious days or dates and got caught in a terrible fix. It was a Friday the 13th in May of that year and the number was "513" and lotto players from Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York and of course Connecticut played "513" and as a result...The Connecticut Lottery had to borrow $80 + Million Dollars from Chase Manhattan Bank to payoff on "513". That wasn't the bad part. The bad part was what the director of that lottery quoted in the Hartford Current Newspaper. In frustration the lottery director stated: THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN... That told me then that there would be changes (internally) to the system. Tennesee seems to have made a worse mistake. They took their story public and now run the risk of destroying the whole trust factor for the online systems not only for Tennesee but, the res of the country. They have the software programs to allow you to win or lose but, still I do not see that as a total threat just yet. Keep your eye on GTECH CORP & Scientific Games Corp. However, for those of you who have the power lotto busting programs...Generated drawings should not be a problem. lottoscorp-NY$ 
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mississippi United States Member #34877 March 3, 2006 3453 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 11:26 pm - IP Logged |
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You Know..I was just reading this article for the first time and a thought hit me..I was thinking maybe a small group could actually file a lawsuit against the Tennessee Lottery because of the vote...The Citizens of Tennessee voted the lottery in through a vote correct?..That gives the power to the people..they changed the draws without the PUBLICS PERMISSION therefore they violated the law it seems to me..the public voted it in so they should have the say so..not the state gov..they are just in charge to make sure it is run properly which they have failed to do... "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek Minnesota United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1636 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 3, 2007, 11:32 pm - IP Logged |
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You Know..I was just reading this article for the first time and a thought hit me..I was thinking maybe a small group could actually file a lawsuit against the Tennessee Lottery because of the vote...The Citizens of Tennessee voted the lottery in through a vote correct?..That gives the power to the people..they changed the draws without the PUBLICS PERMISSION therefore they violated the law it seems to me..the public voted it in so they should have the say so..not the state gov..they are just in charge to make sure it is run properly which they have failed to do... Why think small... how about something big like Class Action? My Self Picks are optimized to produce
the most number of wins with
the least amount of effort.
Order is a subset of Chaos.
Thank You,
Doug
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Greenfield United States Member #3655 February 2, 2004 556 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 4, 2007, 1:17 am - IP Logged |
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Welcome to Indiana folks!! Isnt it great! " FUN IS BAD " ----causes Bankruptcy
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United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 1065 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 4, 2007, 8:05 am - IP Logged |
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i was happy when i heard there would be an audit i thought we could get some straight answers but now i see there is no checks and balances with the tennessee lottery they can keep cheating the players in this state if the players keep playing. you are right toad and kymystikal the boycott of this lottery must continue Lottery officials previously said KPMG would be paid about $90,000...
Oh, there'll be a check alright.
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