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KyMystikal's avatar - johnson car GI
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Posted: October 5, 2007, 10:37 am - IP Logged Bottom

I found this thread:

http://www.lotterypost.com/news/161445

There were 3 paragraphs I was most interested in.

"It's just kind of odd it went so long without anybody noticing it and with people calling and sending e-mails about it, and they still said there was no problem," said Allen Lowe, a player who lives in Clarksville.

Lowe said he began sending e-mail messages through the lottery Web site the weekend of Aug. 11 when the drawings produced no duplicated number. 

He said the lottery replied with a message saying others had made similar inquiries but testing by security staff showed no problems, with double digits coming up in the random test draws.

Now, the third paragraph is the one I'm looking at the most. It says that Lowe said that the lottery said. Now, when he says the lottery said there were duplicate numbers drawn, did the lottery themself specifically state in the email that "duplicate numbers were drawn", or perhaps did he see a response such as simply "there were no problems" and then interpret that as "there were duplicate numbers drawn" and then repeat that as so?

This is the email that was sent to me and at the bottom is what I had sent the TN lottery to get this reply.

 

Sent: Wed 8/15/07 11:16 AM
To: KyMystikal

Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.

The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected. Additionally, numbers selected in any one drawing has no relationship to a future or past drawing, since each drawing is a unique, separate and distinct occurrence.

We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

 

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This email is in response to the comment below:

I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random but it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 11:56 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

The players in Tenn have missed a chance to show what they think about all this mess. They should have stopped playing P3 and P4.

But they did not.

Now the lotto knows they are hooked. They may even drop the payout or block certain numbers from being played. They could raise the cost of a ticket.

 They know the people there will just keep buying tickets.

Wake up people!

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 12:02 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

The players in Tenn have missed a chance to show what they think about all this mess. They should have stopped playing P3 and P4.

But they did not.

Now the lotto knows they are hooked. They may even drop the payout or block certain numbers from being played. They could raise the cost of a ticket.

 They know the people there will just keep buying tickets.

Wake up people!

ez

EZ, you can't make it any clearer than that!!!!!

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 12:12 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

This is the email that was sent to me and at the bottom is what I had sent the TN lottery to get this reply.

 

Sent: Wed 8/15/07 11:16 AM
To: KyMystikal

Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.

The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected. Additionally, numbers selected in any one drawing has no relationship to a future or past drawing, since each drawing is a unique, separate and distinct occurrence.

We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

 

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This email is in response to the comment below:

I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random but it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

KyMystikal,

  If you haven't done so already, send a copy of this email to every elected state offical. This proves they have been lying since the fiasco started.

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 12:47 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

This is the email that was sent to me and at the bottom is what I had sent the TN lottery to get this reply.

 

Sent: Wed 8/15/07 11:16 AM
To: KyMystikal

Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.

The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of being selected. Additionally, numbers selected in any one drawing has no relationship to a future or past drawing, since each drawing is a unique, separate and distinct occurrence.

We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

 

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This email is in response to the comment below:

I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random but it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

Thank you for finding and posting it.  I fixed up the formatting of your post so everyone can read it. 

 

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 2:37 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Kymystikal, takeitez & many of the LOTTERY POST member's all

know more about SECURITY and INTEGRITY on the operation of a

state run game than anyone who DRAWS a salary from the great

state of TN Lottery Commission<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

IT appear's all of the great lawmaker's of this state will strike out on

a REAL INVESTIGATION of what are the FACTS and any corrections!!

PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GREAT STATE of TN

Let's be "HONEST" >>>on this

          WON  

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 3:09 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Seems if the Tennessee Lottery's integrity and transparency had been of utmost importance, Rebecca Paul Hargrove, would have immediately reverted back to ball drop drawings at the first indication of a problem.  Period, end of story.

She is a seasoned lottery professional and she should have spotted the problem without having someone call it to her attenton. 

Now it appears as if she's attempting to defend a cover up  ... cover her behind, her bonus, her exorbitant salary, her greedy decision which was based on money alone.

 

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 3:37 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Could you or someone else give me a link to where you found out where it specifically states that the lottery said there were doubles drawn during the time of the glitch?

I was referring to the email KY posted and as you can see, somebody from the Tennessee Lottery lied. The on-going theme in every email response I read was "maximizing dollars for education". When people buy PB or MM tickets are they doing it to benefit education or are they really trying to become multi-millionaires?

It's just my opinion but I believe the decision to have a daily live Pick-3 drawings using three sets of balls in a clear bingo/keno type machine was made because the lotteries were competing with the "street numbers" game at that time. I'm talking about the Pick-3 games that started over 30 years ago not the new kids on the block that hired slick talking professional lottery directors. Having a live drawing is the best way to prove drawings are honest. Are players really asking too much because they want the opportunity to see the numbers drawn by a live TV drawing?

As a smart business move, live drawings are really 30 second commercials touting other lottery games. If players tune in a couple seconds late and miss the drawing they have to hear about the latest scratch-off games hoping the host will repeat the numbers before the time is up. When you weigh the cost of live drawing to a computer drawing, it's obvious the lottery could save money until they have to find other means to advertise their games. The TV stations probably charge the lottery less for those 30 second spots because they know it will bring in added viewers.

We've heard about Ms Hargrove because of all her screw-ups, but I wonder how many people in states with successful lotteries know the name of its lottery director?

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Posted: October 5, 2007, 4:13 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Seems if the Tennessee Lottery's integrity and transparency had been of utmost importance, Rebecca Paul Hargrove, would have immediately reverted back to ball drop drawings at the first indication of a problem.  Period, end of story.

She is a seasoned lottery professional and she should have spotted the problem without having someone call it to her attenton. 

Now it appears as if she's attempting to defend a cover up  ... cover her behind, her bonus, her exorbitant salary, her greedy decision which was based on money alone.

 

Play your lottery dollars in bordering states, and good luck when you do!!   Party

"She (Ms Hargrove) is a seasoned lottery professional and she should have spotted the problem without having someone call it to her attenton."

That's only in states with small lotteries where the lottery director is not a political appointee. I'm guessing Ms Hargrove doesn't know how many Pick-4 combinations have matching digits.

I was just looking at the payoffs of Tennessee's Lotto 5 game (5/39) where matching 4 numbers paid $114, matching 3 paid $7, and matching 2 paid nothing so compared to other state lottery 5/39 games, Ms Hargrove has done an excellent job of maximizing dollar for education though I doubt any seasoned lottery player would even consider playing that game.

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Posted: October 8, 2007, 1:12 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

"She (Ms Hargrove) is a seasoned lottery professional and she should have spotted the problem without having someone call it to her attenton."

That's only in states with small lotteries where the lottery director is not a political appointee. I'm guessing Ms Hargrove doesn't know how many Pick-4 combinations have matching digits.

I was just looking at the payoffs of Tennessee's Lotto 5 game (5/39) where matching 4 numbers paid $114, matching 3 paid $7, and matching 2 paid nothing so compared to other state lottery 5/39 games, Ms Hargrove has done an excellent job of maximizing dollar for education though I doubt any seasoned lottery player would even consider playing that game.

Let's be "HONEST" on^^^^^^ this>>>>>>>>>>> ^^^^^^

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