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CBS publishes second hatchet job on lottery
Atlanta United States Member #6302 August 11, 2004 1369 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm - IP Logged |
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I think that sometimes in our haste to defend the blindness of our assumptions we forget to see the truth that stands before us At least that is what I think...but I have been wrong before.
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 14697 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 8, 2007, 10:31 pm - IP Logged |
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I think that sometimes in our haste to defend the blindness of our assumptions we forget to see the truth that stands before us At least that is what I think...but I have been wrong before. That is a nice quote. I think we're all guilty of that at one time or another. Some more than others.  computerhead723, it doesn't sound like there is anything the lottery could do to make you feel they are conducting fair drawings. New York has real ball drawings, conducted on live TV, and to which they allow witnesses. I can't think of anything else they can do to be open and transparent in their drawing process, to show that nothing underhanded is taking place. If you REALLY feel it is unfair, why not go and witness a live drawing? You can ask them questions and see the whole process for yourself. The problem is that I am picking up a strong vibe that there is absolutely nothing on this Earth the lottery could do to convince you it's fair, other than forcing certain stores and/or people to win.
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 107 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:05 pm - IP Logged |
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That is a nice quote. I think we're all guilty of that at one time or another. Some more than others.  computerhead723, it doesn't sound like there is anything the lottery could do to make you feel they are conducting fair drawings. New York has real ball drawings, conducted on live TV, and to which they allow witnesses. I can't think of anything else they can do to be open and transparent in their drawing process, to show that nothing underhanded is taking place. If you REALLY feel it is unfair, why not go and witness a live drawing? You can ask them questions and see the whole process for yourself. The problem is that I am picking up a strong vibe that there is absolutely nothing on this Earth the lottery could do to convince you it's fair, other than forcing certain stores and/or people to win. your right , under the current lottery operatons there is no way to convince me ; Put the state police at each of the drawings and have the state appoint an attorney general to oversee the legal contracts which go on everyday behind closed doors ; inspect the ball machines and the balls themselves everyday put that live and on TV ; give back money to the community/ players that put money into the process.... in other words give the players a better shot at winning&&Some players expect to loose, not me I expect the sysyem to lose sometime ,... but not the lottery their winning streek continues unchecked and unchanged because to think otherwise is downright foolish oh yaH and playing a RACE CARD......... Lets all be obedient and belive nothing is going on xxx
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 107 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:11 pm - IP Logged |
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PART 2 IN RE. ASSULT ON ME AND MY INFORMATION& THE FOLLOWING IS THE PAYOUT CHART FOR THE NY LOTTERY PICK 4 GAME ONLY it will only say how much is won but I and millions like me play everyday {aprox,. 1.4 Billion is spent on lottery operations per week: pleas deduct this from a billion p and notice the dates ; | Total Payout | | 06/06/2004 Evening | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 | $6,025,040 | | 01/27/2005 Evening | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | $5,002,900 | | 09/25/2004 Evening | 1 | 1 | 2 | 9 | $5,001,400 | | 06/02/2006 Evening | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | $5,000,750 | | 01/29/2003 Evening | 1 | 9 | 4 | 7 | $4,999,950 | | 03/19/2003 Evening | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | $4,998,300 | | 07/10/2006 Evening | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | $4,878,550 | | 05/21/2005 Evening | 1 | 0 | 2 | 9 | $4,858,675 | | 10/02/2004 Mid-day | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | $4,816,400 | | 03/06/2007 Evening | 1 | 2 | 1 | 6 | $4,752,517 | | 04/02/2005 Evening | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | $4,738,250 | | 10/10/2003 Evening | 1 | 8 | 4 | 6 | $4,547,350 | | 03/06/2006 Evening | 1 | 7 | 1 | 7 | $4,503,600 | | 01/05/2005 Evening | 1 | 2 | 2 | 6 | $4,423,675 | | 01/24/2005 Evening | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | $4,398,925 | | 07/15/2005 Mid-day | 1 | 3 | 1 | 3 | $4,200,450 | | 05/25/2006 Evening | 1 | 8 | 1 | 8 | $4,118,825 | | 01/21/2003 Evening | 1 | 9 | 2 | 0 | $4,079,200 | | 08/26/2007 Evening | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 | $3,742,432 | | 09/15/2004 Evening | 1 | 9 | 2 | 9 | $3,694,425 | | 06/20/2005 Evening | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | $3,676,675 | | 04/06/2007 Evening | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | $3,444,450 | | 02/16/2006 Evening | 1 | 9 | 6 | 9 | $3,326,875 | | 04/04/2007 Evening | 7 | 1 | 1 | 1 | $3,221,030 | | 12/12/2003 Mid-day | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | $3,138,175 | | 04/25/2006 Mid-day | 1 | 1 | 1 | 4 | $3,129,625 | | 09/09/2005 Evening | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | $3,128,500 | | 04/15/2006 Evening | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | $3,099,350 | | 12/13/2006 Evening | 1 | 9 | 6 | 5 | $3,083,525 | | 02/21/2007 Evening | 4 | 0 | 4 | 0 | $3,065,685 | | 07/23/2005 Evening | 1 | 2 | 2 | 9 | $3,035,400 | | 03/03/2007 Mid-day | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | $2,983,050 | | 01/06/2005 Evening | 1 | 7 | 7 | 1 | $2,813,975 | | 09/29/2005 Evening | 1 | 9 | 2 | 3 | $2,801,225 | | 01/11/2006 Evening | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | $2,794,400 | | 10/01/2006 Evening | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | $2,791,350 | | 11/11/2006 Mid-day | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | $2,770,400 | | 11/12/2004 Evening | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | $2,724,875 | | 11/17/2002 Evening | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | $2,717,625 | | 03/16/2007 Evening | 5 | 1 | 1 | 5 | $2,711,619 | | 09/16/2003 Evening | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | $2,645,375 | | 02/28/2007 Mid-day | 1 | 9 | 2 | 9 | $2,454,463 | | 01/01/2006 Evening | 1 | 9 | 1 | 7 | $2,450,750 | | 07/14/2007 Evening | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | $2,447,150 | | 10/13/2006 Evening | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | $2,435,875 | | 02/17/2007 Mid-day | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | $2,416,590 | | 01/24/2007 Evening | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | $2,324,600 | | 10/23/2006 Evening | 4 | 2 | 4 | 2 | $2,315,790 | | 08/11/2006 Mid-day | 9 | 1 | 1 | 1 | $2,281,775 | | 01/05/2003 Evening | 1 | 3 | 5 | 0 | $2,277,850 |
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 107 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm - IP Logged |
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thats a nice store ...never seen it when I lived in DC ; but the poulation is who ?/ and look at the income DC lottery is generating from those sales????????? the lottery machines is just plain over-kill :
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 14697 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 9, 2007, 12:15 am - IP Logged |
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your right , under the current lottery operatons there is no way to convince me ; Put the state police at each of the drawings and have the state appoint an attorney general to oversee the legal contracts which go on everyday behind closed doors ; inspect the ball machines and the balls themselves everyday put that live and on TV ; give back money to the community/ players that put money into the process.... in other words give the players a better shot at winning&&Some players expect to loose, not me I expect the sysyem to lose sometime ,... but not the lottery their winning streek continues unchecked and unchanged because to think otherwise is downright foolish oh yaH and playing a RACE CARD......... Lets all be obedient and belive nothing is going on xxx So .... the lottery should not be making money? I don't think you've thought that one through. In every form of gambling, the house always makes a profit. That keeps the gambling enterprise alive. All those things you mentioned about verify this, verify that, are already done. In fact, in your state (NY) the lottery is tightly controlled by the legislature. In other states it is more of an independent "quasi-government" organization, but in New York -- the state you're talking about -- all those things are done already. But I'm sure in whatever manner they do the verification does not live up to your high standards.  As I mentioned earlier, the lottery is not a charity, and not a source of income. It is entertainment. If you are playing because you need money, then you should not play, because that is not its purpose, and the odds are that you will lose money, not gain money. In fact, gambling in any way in order to get money for basic necessities is a form of a gambling problem, because gambling -- by its very definition -- is entertainment, and all money wagered should be money you can afford to lose. Think of it like buying a lottery ticket instead of going to the movies. If you're playing because you can afford a few bucks to play, and you're dreaming of what a huge jackpot would mean to you, then you're right in the zone. On the other hand, if you are waiting impatiently for the jackpot you're supposed to get (for "your turn" to come), you should not play. Because only a small fraction of players win a jackpot. You should not expect to win, because according to the odds, you probably won't. Lastly, I hope that "race card" comment was not directed at me, because I don't do that. i keep trying to bring the discussion back to social status, and you keep forcing it into a race issue.
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You Can Take it to the Bank Charlotte NC United States Member #17704 June 18, 2005 3180 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 9, 2007, 1:17 am - IP Logged |
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This post remind me of a movie about gambling that I saw called "Any Number can Play" 1949 starring Clark Gable, Alexis Smith and a few people you'll recognize like Egar Buchanan, Uncle Joe on Petticoat Junction and Frank Morgan, Prof. Marvel on The Wizard of Oz and Lewis Stone.
Clark Gable owned a casino and caught a lot of heat not only from his family (teenage son mostly) but from a few people who lost. There was a lady who dragged her husband to his house and insulted his wife saying they stole their money. He was an honest bookie and had earned respect and was loved. He even gave money back to a women who had lost her wedding ring. But what I found interesting about the movie was when he gave the stats of gambling in America in rebuke to his son who had a problem with his father being the owner of a gambling house. I was shocked at the number of dice that were bought, decks of cards, (he rattled off the stats) how much money was bet and made on the horses, (billions) and the fact that horse races was a part of the stock market, and that half in America gambled. He said that people even gambled on when they were going to die.& I was like OMG it was only 1949 and gambling was that big, even though I thought I knew the history of gambling in America. I mean that was one of the reasons the river boat gambling was started because they were thrown out of town much earlier. And those that didn't leave had to shoot it out. (History Channel) So we've come a long way. It was the stats in 1949 at that time that amazed me. I thought I'd share that - I know it's Hollywood but if you ever run across the movie on TCM - it's worth a watch. p.s. Anybody interested in knowing about pick3 lottery in the African America community BEFORE state run lotteries when the runner came to your house and you placed a nickel bet, I reccommend the book called "Daddy was a Number Runner" by Louise Meriwerther. When I read it I got it from the Library. It's dated as well.
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United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 107 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 9, 2007, 1:21 am - IP Logged |
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So .... the lottery should not be making money? I don't think you've thought that one through. In every form of gambling, the house always makes a profit. That keeps the gambling enterprise alive. All those things you mentioned about verify this, verify that, are already done. In fact, in your state (NY) the lottery is tightly controlled by the legislature. In other states it is more of an independent "quasi-government" organization, but in New York -- the state you're talking about -- all those things are done already. But I'm sure in whatever manner they do the verification does not live up to your high standards.  As I mentioned earlier, the lottery is not a charity, and not a source of income. It is entertainment. If you are playing because you need money, then you should not play, because that is not its purpose, and the odds are that you will lose money, not gain money. In fact, gambling in any way in order to get money for basic necessities is a form of a gambling problem, because gambling -- by its very definition -- is entertainment, and all money wagered should be money you can afford to lose. Think of it like buying a lottery ticket instead of going to the movies. If you're playing because you can afford a few bucks to play, and you're dreaming of what a huge jackpot would mean to you, then you're right in the zone. On the other hand, if you are waiting impatiently for the jackpot you're supposed to get (for "your turn" to come), you should not play. Because only a small fraction of players win a jackpot. You should not expect to win, because according to the odds, you probably won't. Lastly, I hope that "race card" comment was not directed at me, because I don't do that. i keep trying to bring the discussion back to social status, and you keep forcing it into a race issue. whats with everyone placeing the Race Card - on me for it was in the news - article- and God forbid I aggreed with the- news agency: lets see what did they say:????(like I said- people see what they- want- to see :) CBS said ; "It's a shift of the cost of government onto people who can least afford it," says State Rep. Garnett Coleman, who has represented this neighborhood for 17 years. "Is a drug dealer responsible when they sell to the person?" Coleman asks. "If somebody says, 'yeah,' then the state is responsible for hooking the people on the gaming, on the lottery." "You're selling hope," says Rob Kohler, who worked 12 years for the Texas Lottery and is now a private consultant in Austin. It was his analysis of lottery sales data that opened Coleman's eyes, revealing who the majority of heavy players are. "It's coming from the folks, you know, high minority, low education, and low income," Kohler says. "That can least afford to play the game." Texas lottery spokesman Bobby Heith does not dispute the data. "The data is what it is. We don't target groups of people," Heith says. In Texas, Blacks and Hispanics outspend Whites nearly two to one on lottery tickets. According to a 2005 Texas Tech demographic survey commissioned by the lottery, blacks in Texas spend $109 a month on lottery tickets, Hispanics spend $102, and whites spend $55. "We put out Hispanic ads mainly because for Spanish speaking people. I mean, it's good business," Heith says. "We don't want to prey on anybody. We're here to run a business for the state."
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United States Member #381 June 5, 2002 1866 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 9, 2007, 2:01 am - IP Logged |
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You can't trust the lottery. Oh I suppose if you get the six winning numbers on a single line you will no doubt collect, but this is not an agency of government that's looking out for you.
When they say "Play Responsibly" they're just warding off complaints from critics like beer companies advising us to drink responsibly, don't sue us it isn't our fault you and our product combined to cause disaster we tried to warn you really we did honest.
Poor people play the lottery because that's where the money is. What other possible dollar investment can pay off in tens of thousands to millions of dollars.
There aren't a lot of investment oppertunities for poor people. They'd be better off stockpiling food before the next price increase then putting their money in the bank at today's interest rates.
The lottery targets people who have needs they can't scratch, pretty things cost a pretty penny. When you have nothing you want everything. Once you have most things and enough money your desire to win lotto shrinks so of course people who are doing just fine play less lotto.
In the same sense, high priced scratch-offs are going to sell better where customers have the extra money to take a chance on them. The poor will and should limit their play to low cost tickets until they win and can play on the state's money. Dollar scratch-off tickets usually pay in the hundreds or thousands, not millions so poor communities won't have big scratch-off prizes because the high priced big prize tickets don't sell that well.
That's what I think, who knows I could be right!!! BobP
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Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 1301 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 9, 2007, 9:15 am - IP Logged |
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thats a nice store ...never seen it when I lived in DC ; but the poulation is who ?/ and look at the income DC lottery is generating from those sales????????? the lottery machines is just plain over-kill : The population of DC is about 700,000, and this includes about 700,000 people, which is everybody.
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