Welcome Guest
Log In | Register )

Quick Links

USA Mega Lottery Results Gadget for Windows Vista

NetConnect

Internet Domains, simple and cheap

Find a domain name:

  Home

Petition for True Lottery DrawingsMegaplier Petition
You last visited July 6, 2008, 7:03 am

CBS publishes second hatchet job on lottery

Topic locked. Last post 9 months ago by konane. 49 comments.

Page 4 of 5 BackForwardGo to Page
Print E-mail Link
SirMetro's avatar - center
Standard Member
Advanced
Atlanta
United States
Member #6302
August 11, 2004
1369 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 8, 2007, 9:17 pm - IP Logged Bottom

I think that sometimes in our haste to defend the blindness of our assumptions we forget to see the truth that stands before us

At least that is what I think...but I have been wrong before.

Todd's avatar - Cylon 2
Platinum Member
Lottery Post Administrator
Top 25 Poster
Chief Bottle Washer
Elite
New Jersey
United States
Member #1
May 31, 2000
14697 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 8, 2007, 10:31 pm - IP Logged Top

I think that sometimes in our haste to defend the blindness of our assumptions we forget to see the truth that stands before us

At least that is what I think...but I have been wrong before.

That is a nice quote.  I think we're all guilty of that at one time or another.  Some more than others.  Smile

 

computerhead723, it doesn't sound like there is anything the lottery could do to make you feel they are conducting fair drawings.  New York has real ball drawings, conducted on live TV, and to which they allow witnesses.  I can't think of anything else they can do to be open and transparent in their drawing process, to show that nothing underhanded is taking place.

If you REALLY feel it is unfair, why not go and witness a live drawing?  You can ask them questions and see the whole process for yourself.

The problem is that I am picking up a strong vibe that there is absolutely nothing on this Earth the lottery could do to convince you it's fair, other than forcing certain stores and/or people to win.

Good luck!
–Todd

Sign the Megaplier Petition
Let all Mega Millions players multiply their prizes!

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
Standard Member
Regular

United States
Member #54866
August 17, 2007
107 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:05 pm - IP Logged Top

That is a nice quote.  I think we're all guilty of that at one time or another.  Some more than others.  Smile

 

computerhead723, it doesn't sound like there is anything the lottery could do to make you feel they are conducting fair drawings.  New York has real ball drawings, conducted on live TV, and to which they allow witnesses.  I can't think of anything else they can do to be open and transparent in their drawing process, to show that nothing underhanded is taking place.

If you REALLY feel it is unfair, why not go and witness a live drawing?  You can ask them questions and see the whole process for yourself.

The problem is that I am picking up a strong vibe that there is absolutely nothing on this Earth the lottery could do to convince you it's fair, other than forcing certain stores and/or people to win.

your  right  ,  under  the  current  lottery  operatons  there  is  no  way  to  convince  me ;

Put  the  state  police  at  each  of  the  drawings  and  have  the  state  appoint  an  attorney  general  to  oversee  the  legal  contracts  which  go  on  everyday  behind closed  doors  ;

inspect  the  ball  machines  and  the  balls  themselves  everyday  put  that  live  and  on  TV  ;

give  back  money   to  the  community/ players    that  put  money  into  the  process....   in  other  words  give  the  players  a  better  shot  at  winning&&Some  players  expect    to  loose,  not  me  I  expect  the  sysyem  to  lose  sometime  ,...  but  not  the  lottery  their  winning  streek  continues  unchecked  and  unchanged because  to  think  otherwise is  downright  foolish  oh  yaH  and  playing  a  RACE  CARD.........  Lets  all  be  obedient  and  belive  nothing  is    going  on  xxxAgree with stupid

computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
Standard Member
Regular

United States
Member #54866
August 17, 2007
107 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:11 pm - IP Logged Top

                                      PART  2 IN RE.  ASSULT  ON  ME  AND  MY  INFORMATION&

THE  FOLLOWING  IS  THE  PAYOUT  CHART  FOR  THE  NY  LOTTERY  PICK  4  GAME  ONLY  it  will  only  say  how  much  is  won  but  I  and  millions  like  me  play  everyday  {aprox,.  1.4 Billion  is  spent  on  lottery  operations  per  week:  pleas  deduct  this  from  a  billion p  and  notice  the  dates ;

 

Total Payout
06/06/2004 Evening 1017$6,025,040
01/27/2005 Evening 5555$5,002,900
09/25/2004 Evening 1129$5,001,400
06/02/2006 Evening 1123$5,000,750
01/29/2003 Evening 1947$4,999,950
03/19/2003 Evening 1212$4,998,300
07/10/2006 Evening 1122$4,878,550
05/21/2005 Evening 1029$4,858,675
10/02/2004 Mid-day 1011$4,816,400
03/06/2007 Evening 1216$4,752,517
04/02/2005 Evening 1123$4,738,250
10/10/2003 Evening 1846$4,547,350
03/06/2006 Evening 1717$4,503,600
01/05/2005 Evening 1226$4,423,675
01/24/2005 Evening 1121$4,398,925
07/15/2005 Mid-day 1313$4,200,450
05/25/2006 Evening 1818$4,118,825
01/21/2003 Evening 1920$4,079,200
08/26/2007 Evening 1024$3,742,432
09/15/2004 Evening 1929$3,694,425
06/20/2005 Evening 1020$3,676,675
04/06/2007 Evening 1441$3,444,450
02/16/2006 Evening 1969$3,326,875
04/04/2007 Evening 7111$3,221,030
12/12/2003 Mid-day 1011$3,138,175
04/25/2006 Mid-day 1114$3,129,625
09/09/2005 Evening 1441$3,128,500
04/15/2006 Evening 0111$3,099,350
12/13/2006 Evening 1965$3,083,525
02/21/2007 Evening 4040$3,065,685
07/23/2005 Evening 1229$3,035,400
03/03/2007 Mid-day 3000$2,983,050
01/06/2005 Evening 1771$2,813,975
09/29/2005 Evening 1923$2,801,225
01/11/2006 Evening 0500$2,794,400
10/01/2006 Evening 1102$2,791,350
11/11/2006 Mid-day 2000$2,770,400
11/12/2004 Evening 3111$2,724,875
11/17/2002 Evening 0111$2,717,625
03/16/2007 Evening 5115$2,711,619
09/16/2003 Evening 1223$2,645,375
02/28/2007 Mid-day 1929$2,454,463
01/01/2006 Evening 1917$2,450,750
07/14/2007 Evening 1201$2,447,150
10/13/2006 Evening 2011$2,435,875
02/17/2007 Mid-day 1500$2,416,590
01/24/2007 Evening 1103$2,324,600
10/23/2006 Evening 4242$2,315,790
08/11/2006 Mid-day 9111$2,281,775
01/05/2003 Evening 1350$2,277,850
computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
Standard Member
Regular

United States
Member #54866
August 17, 2007
107 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 8, 2007, 11:36 pm - IP Logged Top

Check out this mom and pop store:

http://blogs.lotterypost.com/jarasan/2007/06/dc-lotterys-best-tenley-market.htm

All we need is a PowerBall jackpot, they've hit everything else.

thats  a  nice  store  ...never  seen  it  when  I  lived  in  DC  ;

but  the  poulation  is  who ?/

and  look  at  the  income  DC  lottery  is  generating  from  those  sales?????????

the  lottery  machines  is  just  plain  over-kill :

Todd's avatar - Cylon 2
Platinum Member
Lottery Post Administrator
Top 25 Poster
Chief Bottle Washer
Elite
New Jersey
United States
Member #1
May 31, 2000
14697 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 9, 2007, 12:15 am - IP Logged Top

your  right  ,  under  the  current  lottery  operatons  there  is  no  way  to  convince  me ;

Put  the  state  police  at  each  of  the  drawings  and  have  the  state  appoint  an  attorney  general  to  oversee  the  legal  contracts  which  go  on  everyday  behind closed  doors  ;

inspect  the  ball  machines  and  the  balls  themselves  everyday  put  that  live  and  on  TV  ;

give  back  money   to  the  community/ players    that  put  money  into  the  process....   in  other  words  give  the  players  a  better  shot  at  winning&&Some  players  expect    to  loose,  not  me  I  expect  the  sysyem  to  lose  sometime  ,...  but  not  the  lottery  their  winning  streek  continues  unchecked  and  unchanged because  to  think  otherwise is  downright  foolish  oh  yaH  and  playing  a  RACE  CARD.........  Lets  all  be  obedient  and  belive  nothing  is    going  on  xxxAgree with stupid

So .... the lottery should not be making money?  I don't think you've thought that one through.  In every form of gambling, the house always makes a profit.  That keeps the gambling enterprise alive. 

All those things you mentioned about verify this, verify that, are already done.  In fact, in your state (NY) the lottery is tightly controlled by the legislature.

In other states it is more of an independent "quasi-government" organization, but in New York -- the state you're talking about -- all those things are done already.

But I'm sure in whatever manner they do the verification does not live up to your high standards. Roll Eyes

As I mentioned earlier, the lottery is not a charity, and not a source of income.  It is entertainment.  If you are playing because you need money, then you should not play, because that is not its purpose, and the odds are that you will lose money, not gain money. 

In fact, gambling in any way in order to get money for basic necessities is a form of a gambling problem, because gambling -- by its very definition -- is entertainment, and all money wagered should be money you can afford to lose.  Think of it like buying a lottery ticket instead of going to the movies.

If you're playing because you can afford a few bucks to play, and you're dreaming of what a huge jackpot would mean to you, then you're right in the zone. 

On the other hand, if you are waiting impatiently for the jackpot you're supposed to get (for "your turn" to come), you should not play.  Because only a small fraction of players win a jackpot.  You should not expect to win, because according to the odds, you probably won't.

Lastly, I hope that "race card" comment was not directed at me, because I don't do that.  i keep trying to bring the discussion back to social status, and you keep forcing it into a race issue.

Good luck!
–Todd

Sign the Megaplier Petition
Let all Mega Millions players multiply their prizes!

Platinum Member
Top 100 Poster
You Can Take it to the Bank
Senior
Charlotte NC
United States
Member #17704
June 18, 2005
3180 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 9, 2007, 1:17 am - IP Logged Top

Thinking of...This post remind me of a  movie about gambling that I saw called "Any Number can Play" 1949 starring Clark Gable, Alexis Smith and a few people you'll recognize like Egar Buchanan, Uncle Joe on Petticoat Junction and Frank Morgan, Prof. Marvel on The Wizard of Oz and Lewis Stone.

Clark Gable owned a casino and caught a lot of heat not only from his family (teenage son mostly) but from a few people who lost.  There was a lady who dragged her husband to his house and insulted his wife saying they stole their money.  He was an honest bookie and had earned respect and was loved.  He even gave money back to a women who had lost her wedding ring.

But what I found interesting about the movie was when he gave the stats of gambling in America in rebuke to his son who had a problem with his father being the owner of a gambling house. 

I was shocked at the number of dice that were bought, decks of cards, (he rattled off the stats) how much money was bet and made on the horses, (billions) and the fact that horse races was a part of the stock market, and that half in America gambled.  He said that people even gambled on when they were going to die.& 

I was like OMG it was only 1949 and gambling was that big, even though I thought I knew the history of gambling in America.  I mean that was one of the reasons the river boat gambling was started because they were thrown out of town much earlier.  And those that didn't leave had to shoot it out.  (History Channel) So we've come a long way. It was the stats in 1949 at that time that amazed me.

I thought I'd share that - I know it's Hollywood but if you ever run across the movie on TCM - it's worth a watch. 

p.s.  Anybody interested in knowing about pick3 lottery in the African America community BEFORE state run lotteries when the runner came to your house and you placed a nickel bet,  I reccommend the book called "Daddy was a Number Runner" by Louise Meriwerther.  When I read it I got it from the Library.  It's dated as well.

https://takeemtothebank.com


computerhead723's avatar - lightbulb
Standard Member
Regular

United States
Member #54866
August 17, 2007
107 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 9, 2007, 1:21 am - IP Logged Top

So .... the lottery should not be making money?  I don't think you've thought that one through.  In every form of gambling, the house always makes a profit.  That keeps the gambling enterprise alive. 

All those things you mentioned about verify this, verify that, are already done.  In fact, in your state (NY) the lottery is tightly controlled by the legislature.

In other states it is more of an independent "quasi-government" organization, but in New York -- the state you're talking about -- all those things are done already.

But I'm sure in whatever manner they do the verification does not live up to your high standards. Roll Eyes

As I mentioned earlier, the lottery is not a charity, and not a source of income.  It is entertainment.  If you are playing because you need money, then you should not play, because that is not its purpose, and the odds are that you will lose money, not gain money. 

In fact, gambling in any way in order to get money for basic necessities is a form of a gambling problem, because gambling -- by its very definition -- is entertainment, and all money wagered should be money you can afford to lose.  Think of it like buying a lottery ticket instead of going to the movies.

If you're playing because you can afford a few bucks to play, and you're dreaming of what a huge jackpot would mean to you, then you're right in the zone. 

On the other hand, if you are waiting impatiently for the jackpot you're supposed to get (for "your turn" to come), you should not play.  Because only a small fraction of players win a jackpot.  You should not expect to win, because according to the odds, you probably won't.

Lastly, I hope that "race card" comment was not directed at me, because I don't do that.  i keep trying to bring the discussion back to social status, and you keep forcing it into a race issue.

whats  with  everyone  placeing    the  Race  Card  - on  me  for  it was  in  the news - article-  and  God  forbid  I  aggreed  with  the- news  agency:  lets  see  what  did  they  say:????(like  I  said- people  see  what  they- want- to  see :)

CBS said ;

"It's a shift of the cost of government onto people who can least afford it," says State Rep. Garnett Coleman, who has represented this neighborhood for 17 years. "Is a drug dealer responsible when they sell to the person?" Coleman asks. "If somebody says, 'yeah,' then the state is responsible for hooking the people on the gaming, on the lottery."

"You're selling hope," says Rob Kohler, who worked 12 years for the Texas Lottery and is now a private consultant in Austin. It was his analysis of lottery sales data that opened Coleman's eyes, revealing who the majority of heavy players are.

"It's coming from the folks, you know, high minority, low education, and low income," Kohler says. "That can least afford to play the game."

Texas lottery spokesman Bobby Heith does not dispute the data. "The data is what it is. We don't target groups of people," Heith says.

In Texas, Blacks and Hispanics outspend Whites nearly two to one on lottery tickets. According to a 2005 Texas Tech demographic survey commissioned by the lottery, blacks in Texas spend $109 a month on lottery tickets, Hispanics spend $102, and whites spend $55.

"We put out Hispanic ads mainly because for Spanish speaking people. I mean, it's good business," Heith says. "We don't want to prey on anybody. We're here to run a business for the state."

Gold Member
Guru

United States
Member #381
June 5, 2002
1866 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 9, 2007, 2:01 am - IP Logged Top

You can't trust the lottery. Oh I suppose if you get the six winning numbers on a single line you will no doubt collect, but this is not an agency of government that's looking out for you.

When they say "Play Responsibly" they're just warding off complaints from critics  like beer companies advising us to drink responsibly, don't sue us it isn't our fault you and our product combined to cause disaster we tried to warn you really we did honest.

Poor people play the lottery because that's where the money is. What other possible dollar investment can pay off in tens of thousands to millions of dollars.

There aren't a lot of investment oppertunities for poor people. They'd be better off stockpiling food before the next price increase then putting their money in the bank at today's interest rates.

The lottery targets people who have needs they can't scratch, pretty things cost a pretty penny.  When you have nothing you want everything.  Once you have most things and enough money your desire to win lotto shrinks so of course people who are doing just fine play less lotto. 

In the same sense, high priced scratch-offs are going to sell better where customers have the extra money to take a chance on them. The poor will and should limit their play to low cost tickets until they win and can play on the state's money.  Dollar scratch-off tickets usually pay in the hundreds or thousands, not millions so poor communities won't have big scratch-off prizes because the high priced big prize tickets don't sell that well.

That's what I think, who knows I could be right!!! BobP

 
 

jarasan's avatar - patrick
Platinum Member
Viva La Chance!
Senior
Rockville, MD.
United States
Member #44542
July 30, 2006
1301 Posts
Offline
Posted: October 9, 2007, 9:15 am - IP Logged Top

thats  a  nice  store  ...never  seen  it  when  I  lived  in  DC  ;

but  the  poulation  is  who ?/

and  look  at  the  income  DC  lottery  is  generating  from  those  sales?????????

the  lottery  machines  is  just  plain  over-kill :

The population of DC is about 700,000, and this includes about 700,000 people, which is everybody