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Tenn. players picked up on new odds before lottery revealed glitch
United States Member #10921 January 23, 2005 894 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:19 pm - IP Logged |
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The Pick 4 was a better deal there, close to breakeven so an algorithm that simply tracked frequent digits period could have pushed it up enough to make long-term profit (theoretically speaking). Here's food for thought: at what payout ratio (if any) would you be willing to accept computerized drawings? I think at 80-90% I might but no way at 50%!
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United States Member #5437 June 30, 2004 21830 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 28, 2007, 11:22 pm - IP Logged |
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Be heard... Email the www.tnlottery.com and let them know your concerns... BE HEARD
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Clarksville,Tennessee United States Member #8823 November 13, 2004 1834 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 12:26 am - IP Logged |
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I noticed on some of the recent payouts on numbers that seem out of the extreme to me. Some of these numbers in my opinion with higher payouts would not seem to be a highly played number normaly. CASH 3 10/27/2007 Mid-Day 913 $27,830.00 CASH 3 10/27/2007 Evening 401 $42,060.00 CASH 3 10/26/2007 Mid-Day 601 $20,560.00 CASH 3 10/26/2007 Evening 000 $234,000.00 generally a highly played number
CASH 3 10/25/2007 Mid-Day 852 $31,250.00 CASH 3 10/25/2007 Evening 012 $57,840.00 CASH 3 10/24/2007 Mid-Day 973 $15,950.00
CASH 3 10/24/2007 Evening 789 $215,140.00 generally a highly played number
CASH 3 10/23/2007 Mid-Day 620 $12,740.00 CASH 3 10/23/2007 Evening 301 $52,820.00 CASH 3 10/22/2007 Mid-Day 231 $35,840.00 CASH 3 10/22/2007 Evening 417 $46,340.00 CASH 3 10/21/2007 Evening 059 $18,560.00 CASH 3 10/20/2007 Mid-Day 051 $16,490.00 CASH 3 10/20/2007 Evening 790 $16,750.00 CASH 3 10/19/2007 Mid-Day 620 $20,780.00 CASH 3 10/19/2007 Evening 038 $31,350.00 CASH 3 10/18/2007 Mid-Day 529 $28,410.00
CASH 3 10/18/2007 Evening 712 $138,900.00 this one in particular
CASH 3 10/17/2007 Mid-Day 132 $56,240.00 CASH 3 10/17/2007 Evening 377 $69,640.00 CASH 3 10/16/2007 Mid-Day 165 $15,080.00
CASH 3 10/16/2007 Evening 327 $142,930.00 this one in particular
CASH 3 10/15/2007 Mid-Day 862 $23,430.00 CASH 3 10/15/2007 Evening 119 $51,470.00 CASH 3 10/14/2007 Evening 693 $49,300.00 CASH 3 10/13/2007 Mid-Day 838 $25,910.00 CASH 3 10/13/2007 Evening 040 $14,530.00 CASH 3 10/12/2007 Mid-Day 266 $21,500.00 CASH 3 10/12/2007 Evening 479 $56,190.00 CASH 3 10/11/2007 Mid-Day 096 $8,320.00 CASH 3 10/11/2007 Evening 530 $34,530.00 CASH 3 10/10/2007 Mid-Day 065 $9,970.00 CASH 3 10/10/2007 Evening 816 $34,750.00 CASH 3 10/9/2007 Mid-Day 970 $8,390.00 CASH 3 10/9/2007 Evening 225 $67,500.00 CASH 3 10/8/2007 Mid-Day 957 $38,660.00 CASH 3 10/8/2007 Evening 502 $26,060.00 CASH 3 10/7/2007 Evening 417 $53,350.00 CASH 3 10/6/2007 Mid-Day 595 $22,780.00 CASH 3 10/6/2007 Evening 930 $34,500.00 CASH 3 10/5/2007 Mid-Day 370 $11,750.00 CASH 3 10/5/2007 Evening 433 $59,610.00 CASH 3 10/4/2007 Mid-Day 509 $11,490.00 CASH 3 10/4/2007 Evening 971 $24,850.00 CASH 3 10/3/2007 Mid-Day 691 $19,390.00 CASH 3 10/3/2007 Evening 264 $44,860.00 CASH 3 10/2/2007 Mid-Day 197 $13,800.00 CASH 3 10/2/2007 Evening 107 $71,530.00 CASH 3 10/1/2007 Mid-Day 125 $42,860.00
CASH 3 10/1/2007 Evening 657 $105,160.00 generally a highly played number
CASH 3 9/30/2007 Evening 548 $40,780.00 CASH 3 9/29/2007 Mid-Day 460 $8,750.00 CASH 3 9/29/2007 Evening 476 $50,260.00 CASH 3 9/28/2007 Mid-Day 780 $14,440.00 CASH 3 9/28/2007 Evening 545 $48,490.00 CASH 3 9/27/2007 Mid-Day 548 $33,070.00 CASH 3 9/27/2007 Evening 661 $40,940.00 CASH 3 9/26/2007 Mid-Day 858 $24,370.00 CASH 3 9/26/2007 Evening 972 $39,660.00
There must not be very many lottery players in TN considering according to the 2004 census TN was 16th in population. TN payouts on trips this year have been as follows 1/1 - 333 - 396,750 2/5 - 444 - 472,750 5/14 - 444 - 286,500 6/9 - 222 - 309,500 10/26 - 000 - 234,00 While in Ky which was ranked 26th their payouts were for the last few trips. 10/16 - 111 - 990,270 9/17 - 333 - 1.3 mil 9/4 - 444 - 960,300 8/21 - 555 - 481,710 8/13 - 777 - 1.2 mil 7/27 - 555 - 1.1 mil I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!
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Clarksville,Tennessee United States Member #8823 November 13, 2004 1834 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 12:28 am - IP Logged |
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10/26 in tn payout was 234,000 I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!
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Buffalo United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 206 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 1:28 am - IP Logged |
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Konane you said it! I am so sick of know-it-alls who constantly categorize people, especially daily players. She has gotten too big for her britches, methinks. Todd is TENNS. lottery locked into a contrac to use only the computer and for so many years .....they act like its so hard to go back to BALL DRAWINGS ??
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 17538 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 5:55 am - IP Logged |
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Todd is TENNS. lottery locked into a contrac to use only the computer and for so many years .....they act like its so hard to go back to BALL DRAWINGS ?? I assume there is some kind of maintenance agreement that they bought, but I would also assume they would not sign something saying they agree not to switch back to balls, or even switch back before the maintenance agreement expires. (Business software is often sold with maintenance agreements.) So I really don't think there is anything excluding them from switching back. I think it is a matter that the CEO Hargrove has decided to switch to computers, and switching back to balls would make her look bad. Which begs the question: does she care more about how she looks or doing what's right for the players. And if she ever answers that question with a sentence that includes the words "children" or "education", you know the answer is B.S.
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 9:45 am - IP Logged |
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Now that's a little harsh. Of course it's for the children. What would you expect her to say? As far as a contract, it all depends on how they structured it; purchase or lease. Most likely they bought the equipment, like they have always done in the past with ball equipment. That means they can choose to do what they want. Ball machines are more expensive to maintain, and to go back would mean re-certifying all the equipment. It would take a little time... if they even still have it all. Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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Buffalo United States Member #54866 August 17, 2007 206 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 29, 2007, 5:55 pm - IP Logged |
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Now that's a little harsh. Of course it's for the children. What would you expect her to say? As far as a contract, it all depends on how they structured it; purchase or lease. Most likely they bought the equipment, like they have always done in the past with ball equipment. That means they can choose to do what they want. Ball machines are more expensive to maintain, and to go back would mean re-certifying all the equipment. It would take a little time... if they even still have it all. I was thinking they they also need a production crew for live draws a small crew to pull the balls and Anouncers .......the verification is to have some one watch each draw also , with the computer drawig she would not have to do much verifiction, and since most lottery workers cant play that state lottery she could care less if we win or loose;
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 30, 2007, 11:01 am - IP Logged |
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By all means, live productions are more costly. In today's world of cut costs and increase the bottom line, that's what computer draws are all about. It's much more cost effective to operate. No big production facility, cut the crew by 80%, you can even save on the announcing fees. And then there's the cost of maintaining the equipment. That's why states are switching to computer draws. It costs less initially and long term in equipment and personnel. Auditing and oversight is the one place there isn't any savings- everything is still verified by independent auditors. Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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Prince of Insufficient Light United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 1484 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 30, 2007, 1:33 pm - IP Logged |
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 17538 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 30, 2007, 1:53 pm - IP Logged |
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By all means, live productions are more costly. In today's world of cut costs and increase the bottom line, that's what computer draws are all about. It's much more cost effective to operate. No big production facility, cut the crew by 80%, you can even save on the announcing fees. And then there's the cost of maintaining the equipment. That's why states are switching to computer draws. It costs less initially and long term in equipment and personnel. Auditing and oversight is the one place there isn't any savings- everything is still verified by independent auditors. You said, "That's why states are switching to computers." Really? There was Wisconsin in 2004, and Tennessee in 2007. And then who else? States? What I see is one state (Wisconsin) that made a decision before Lottery Post started enlightening people about the awful computerized drawings, and then another state three years later with a CEO who feels every decision she makes is beyond questioning, who made a terrible decision and forever tarnished her reputation. What I don't see is a stampede of states to go computerized and suffer the same fate.
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 30, 2007, 2:21 pm - IP Logged |
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Maybe I misspoke. But by your own "Report Card", more than half of the U.S. State Lotteries have some kind of computerized drawing. Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 17538 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 30, 2007, 7:32 pm - IP Logged |
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Maybe I misspoke. But by your own "Report Card", more than half of the U.S. State Lotteries have some kind of computerized drawing. Just about all of them do, but there's a big difference between using a computer for a raffle or Keno and using it every day to draw the lotto numbers. (The report card shows that a majority of states have NOT computerized their daily lotto games.) Computers have made it very simple to draw raffles and to draw games every 5 minutes without fail. Computers have important uses at a state lottery. My entire career is based on computers. If there is a person here who supports the use of computers in all facets of life, it is me. However, there is also such a thing as a WRONG use of a computer. One size does not fit all. The use of a computer to draw lottery results in daily lotto games is wrong and unjustified, especially given the severe distrust of computers when they are used in that capacity. There are ways of making computers look like a huge cost savings, but I have shown many times before that it is just not true. If you only look at is cost of a computer vs. cost of production, equipment, and personnel, then using a computer is better. But that is a lie of ommission. Any person with the slightest knowledge of business and/or accounting knows that there is both a revenue and cost side to every equation, and the argument used by computerized drawing proponents only addresses the cost side. Did you know that revenues for the past quarter were down from the previous quarter in Tennessee? I'll bet you didn't, because they were too busy comparing it to last year, and only telling that particular story. And even then, to say that a mere 5% increase over last year proves that all is good with computers is another tall tale. The lottery is not a hollywood actor, who benefits from both good and bad media attention. The lottery is hurt by bad press, not helped. Computerized drawings are a disaster for Tennessee -- not just for the lottery, but for the residents of the state. They were hoodwinked -- and continue to be hoodwinked -- by a clever CEO. A CEO who manages to collect disproportionate sums of wealth -- instead of putting it into education.
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline
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| Posted: October 31, 2007, 9:43 am - IP Logged |
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OK. I get your point. But again, there's at least 13 states with all computer drawings, and several more that are real close. Hot Lotto is computerized, and if Powerball went that way... but enough about that. If we're comparing apples to apples, is it fair to compare this quarter to last quarter? Is that just revenues in the state games, or all sales? Couldn't the size of the Powerball jackpot have something to do with that? Surely they took a hit after the snafu, so I would assume sales would dip at least some this quarter... Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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