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Contractors steal $70,000 in lottery prize money

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 9:49 am - IP Logged Bottom

And i have said in many post that you could possibly gain access to the system from a remote location outside the buildings where the machines are kept.

What it boils down to is if there's a will theres a way for thieves to steal just about anything.

And for all it's worth if this doesn't send a message to states that use RNG software to bring back ball drawings. I don't know what will.

Aha!  You've hit on the key point here.  The ability for people to get into a system, when they are not supposed to be able to.

It's like in Jurassic Park, when Iam Malcolm says "Life finds a way," to describe how the dinosaurs are able to breed, even though the genetic engineers made that "impossible".

It is inevitable.  Just like this system was broken into — and like other computerized drawing systems had "glitches" — "Crime finds a way".

It also reminds me of the auto industry, which only issues recalls when their accountants calculate that the cost of lawsuits from injuries suffered from the car problem outweighs the cost of the recall.  The lottery industry seems content to allow a certain amount of crime to invade their games, and will continue to allow it until the revenue losses outweigh the so-called savings of their computerized drawing systems.

These computerized drawing systems are the bane of the lottery industry, and shame on the legislators in each computerized state for not getting rid of them.  Yes, I place blame on the legislators, who ultimately hold the reigns on their state's lottery.

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 1:40 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

Aha!  You've hit on the key point here.  The ability for people to get into a system, when they are not supposed to be able to.

It's like in Jurassic Park, when Iam Malcolm says "Life finds a way," to describe how the dinosaurs are able to breed, even though the genetic engineers made that "impossible".

It is inevitable.  Just like this system was broken into — and like other computerized drawing systems had "glitches" — "Crime finds a way".

It also reminds me of the auto industry, which only issues recalls when their accountants calculate that the cost of lawsuits from injuries suffered from the car problem outweighs the cost of the recall.  The lottery industry seems content to allow a certain amount of crime to invade their games, and will continue to allow it until the revenue losses outweigh the so-called savings of their computerized drawing systems.

These computerized drawing systems are the bane of the lottery industry, and shame on the legislators in each computerized state for not getting rid of them.  Yes, I place blame on the legislators, who ultimately hold the reigns on their state's lottery.

I've know it was possible all along. Back in the early 90's we had a computer at work it was a work station for our machine shop the guy who ran it was on vacation. He had all his files write protected. Special passwords were needed to get into and log on to his files. Of course when he was gone we needed access to it. One of the guy on my shift said he could get into it in about a minute. This was after several people had tried in vane to do it. In about a minute the guy on my shift had access to everything on the PC. When the owner had asked how he had accomplished the task my co worker said i just went through the back door.

Across the street from me their is a guy who has cable and satellite PC connection. On day i was visiting him and he had access to everybody's PC in the neighborhood that didn't have a firewall.  He could log on and off everyones PC almost at will. Not to include look at their personal information.

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 2:11 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

"did it say they were printing winning tickets or just tickets for the games?"

There's definitely something going on besides what was reported in the story. If they won $70,000 with ony $86,000 worth of tickets they got back almost 82% of the ticket price. Either the investigation hasn't uncovered another $55,000 +/- worth of stolen tickets, or they won far more often than should be expected.

"In Ky the lottery tickets show the time they were printed. Can't they just look at the times the tickets that were winners were printed at to find the bogus tickets since they were printed at times the retailers were closed?

Printing the time of sale on lottery tickets is pointless, as well a breach of security. In theory the only thing that needs to be on the ticket for purposes of security and validation is the number that was already printed on the back before the roll of blanks was loaded into the terminal. The central computer has all the information about each ticket, so the number on the back should  identify the ticket and all the info that belongs to it. While it would be possible to identify the fraudulent tickets based on the time of issue, there's not much point to it. Preventing tickets from being "issued" by a terminal that is offline, outside of regular hours or not, is a much better solution. 
 

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 3:02 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

  Crime never get you anywhere in life!!!

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 4:28 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

It's important to note that the crime was stealing tickets, not manipulating the drawings.  People are always at risk of falling prey to corruption, which is why Lotteries work so hard on security.  It was probably an internal security investigation that discovered and stopped the theiving. 

It's the human element.  When the payoffs are high, there will always be someone willing to take the risk.  Having ball drawings alone isn't any "extra" protection from would-be thieves.  Multiple layers is key to preventing theft. 

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 5:52 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

LOL!  I knew that was going to happen sooner or later!LOL

PSYKO knew it was going to HAPPEN...2U...soon!!!!!!!

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Here is the BUTT of the situation......................

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Posted: January 10, 2008, 6:13 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

I didn't know our beloved President plays the Lottery. I do know if the Dems win the taxes on your winnings may go way up! I can envision when prizes less than $600 start getting taxed. Not to mention the Lottery has quite a big carbon footprint, all those discarded tickets, the exhaust from the fans on the machines... the real scary thing, and I predict one of these days, someday some agent with access to barcode software (or, not) will find a way to generate fake "tickets" with random codes that some of which will end up being winning codes (they punch these numbers in by hand, so no actual ticket may be needed!), and when someone has an actual winning ticket they will be in for a surprise when it says "already claimed".