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Tennessee Lottery computerized drawings under suspicion again
NASHVILLE, TENN United States Member #33768 February 20, 2006 551 Posts Offline |
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Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:
because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers
If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.
Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this?
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Atlanta, GA United States Member #1288 March 13, 2003 2808 Posts Offline |
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Lately in Georgia with ball draw we've had the same digits drawn in Cash 3 back to back or within a few days of one another ..... have seen comments on LP wondering what's happening when we see the draw take place before our very eyes.
In the case of Tennessee the same digits were drawn within 4 draws ..... behind closed door with no players being able to watch the actual drawing ........ which certainly raises suspicions discussed here and in other posts about Tennessee's RNG's.
Nothing feels random about the same digits in 4 consecutive draws, does it?????? 
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 17538 Posts Offline |
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Pick-4_Master (Miami,Fla) on 11.22.03 wrote:
because you will have numbers that come up repeatedly or more often and less often in a given draw history.You also have numbers that don't come up for weeks,in the Pick-3/4 games I've seen a number drawn 4 days in a row while another number was out for 2 wks.In the Pick-3/4 you can observe the numbers Hit/Skip activity and select a group of numbers
If his/her observation is correct then there is nothing wrong with Tennessee’s RNG picking the number 7 three draws in a row.
Do we have someone from Florida who can verify this? The observation made by Pick-4_Master is not relevant to this discussion, because we are not talking about one digit being drawn on consecutive days, or being "out" for a couple weeks.
We are talking about all three digits matching several draws in a row, and not just happening once: it happened just last month too!
The odds of that taking place are astronomical, and you'd have to try very hard to find another time, in any state, where it has happened. Perhaps it's never happened, I'm not sure.
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek West Concord, MN United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1885 Posts Offline |
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369 only showed up once in that entire list. Where are you going with that? Also, Mid-day and evening are 2 separate drawings. it's not the 369 combo by itself. it is the selection of 3, 6 and 9 individually over that period. yes, there just happens to be a 369 combo, but it also has the highest payout, too. that payout also adds to the suspicion of the particular numbers of 3, 6 and 9.
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MD United States Member #1735 June 18, 2003 6060 Posts Online |
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I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.
Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.
How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.
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12/25/2007 |
Evening |
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$120,290.00 |
Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline |
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3-6-9 is one of the most popular numbers consistently played in Pick 3 games. Look it up- there will be a big payout EVERY time that number hits, especially straight. Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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Jefferson City, MO United States Member #55720 September 20, 2007 80 Posts Offline |
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OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right?
4/7 eve 5-2-7 4/7 mid 1-4-7 4/6 eve 4-2-7
4/4 eve 3-8-9 4/4 mid 6-0-9 4/3 eve 8-9-3
3/22 mid 1-7-9 3/21 eve 7-1-9 3/21 mid 9-1-7 3/20 eve 8-3-5 3/20 mid 3-5-8
2/19 eve 4-3-6 2/19 mid 4-6-3 2/18 eve 2-4-3
1/15 eve eve 0-2-0 1/15 mid 0-0-8 1/14 eve 0-0-2 1/14 mid 9-2-0
12/1 eve 0-4-3 12/1 mid 2-4-3 11/30 eve 2-3-3 11/30 mid 0-3-3
10/27 eve 1-7-3 10/27 mid 1-7-3
Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers. Where's the conspiracy Captain Lotto "Every day is a good day!"
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United States Member #54302 July 23, 2007 304 Posts Offline |
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the same combo coming out 3 times in a row really isnt that big of a deal..look at this way
..Have you ever seen the digit 1( or any single digit) repeat in 3 straight draws..Yes!!!
Have you ever seen a pair like 12( or any other pair) repeat for 3 straight draws in a row...Yes!!!
the same combo is the samething..its just part of the same group..it has happened many times before..it will happen many times to come..haha
Did you notice the pay out increase on the 3rd 077...it went UP!!!!..hahaha CT- 3/11 659 Mid
CT- 3/12 695 Mid 695 Eve Little by little I've come to littleness...
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Lottery draws same numbers 3 days in a row; same thing happened last month
When will the Tenn. Lottery dump the computer draws?
Seven was a lucky number for Tennessee lottery players last week. A very, very, very lucky number.
For three consecutive days, the winning ticket in the Cash 3 drawing was some combination of two sevens and a zero. Thursday, the winning Cash 3 number at midday was 0-7-7. Friday, the winning midday number was 7-0-7. And Saturday evening, the winning number was again 0-7-7.
It was the second time in two months that winning lotto number combinations repeated in consecutive games. In March, the Cash 4 drawings paid out for 1-3-7-2, 1-7-2-3, and 2-3-7-1 over the course of two days.
Lottery officials say the equipment has been checked, certified, audited and checked again. The repeating numbers, they say, are a statistical coincidence.
"We're always watching, monitoring and testing. We have found nothing wrong with how the equipment is operating," said lottery spokeswoman Kym Gerlock.
Last year, a software error in the lottery's computer equipment generated winning numbers for several weeks that never had repeated digits. That meant that people who chose numbers with duplicate digits, such as 5-4-5 or 9-9-9-8, had no chance of winning.
That glitch prompted the state to call in an outside computer review and launch its own audit of the Tennessee lottery computers. Gerlock said the equipment has been certified and passed a compliance audit by the outside auditing firm KPMG Canada. The audit also cleared the computers that Tennessee uses in lieu of traditional pingpong-ball lottery machines.
Bruce Cooil, associate professor of management at Vanderbilt's Owen School of Management, studies the probability of rare events.
"In the Cash 3 Lottery, the probability is less than 1 in 10,000 that one would see the same three numbers in various orders for three of the last four winning numbers," he said. He thinks the lottery should check its equipment.
But Rafe Donahue, adjunct associate professor of biostatistics at Vanderbilt, has watched the Tennessee lottery computers in action and said he was impressed by the precautions the system takes to ensure its random drawings are honestly random.
Two bills that would switch the lottery back to using ping-pong balls are pending in the legislature.
Thanks to four4me for the tip. NO WAY ...NO HOW!!!
2 days in a row..maybe. It has happened!
But 3 days 
I wouldn't spend dime one in Tenn.
I have a hard a time enough believing in the 100% integrity of regular BALL DRAWS in my own home state let alone some computer that can calculate HOUSE STAKES vs ACTUAL # OF BETTERS .
Maybe it's a lack of understanding. But I don't get how in BALL DRAW states why they run several tests before the actual draw.
IS IT LIMITED TO "x" amount of pre-draw tests?
Or do LOTTERY OFFICIALS get to choose the number of "dry run tests" ?
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek West Concord, MN United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1885 Posts Offline |
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I think those of you in and around TN should rape the TN Lottery for everything you can the next time something like this happens. Play that 'hunch' and suck the life out their profits. I think if they see a payout of $5,000,000.00 on one Pick 3 draw they'd really do something about it.
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Fenton,Mi United States Member #1524 May 12, 2003 4082 Posts Offline |
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OK, a quick look at the last six months of Illinois Pick 3 numbers revealed this... And they have ball drawings right?
4/7 eve 5-2-7 4/7 mid 1-4-7 4/6 eve 4-2-7
4/4 eve 3-8-9 4/4 mid 6-0-9 4/3 eve 8-9-3
3/22 mid 1-7-9 3/21 eve 7-1-9 3/21 mid 9-1-7 3/20 eve 8-3-5 3/20 mid 3-5-8
2/19 eve 4-3-6 2/19 mid 4-6-3 2/18 eve 2-4-3
1/15 eve eve 0-2-0 1/15 mid 0-0-8 1/14 eve 0-0-2 1/14 mid 9-2-0
12/1 eve 0-4-3 12/1 mid 2-4-3 11/30 eve 2-3-3 11/30 mid 0-3-3
10/27 eve 1-7-3 10/27 mid 1-7-3
Those are all consecutive draws and within the range of probability for random numbers. Where's the conspiracy CL...actually what you have shown, is normal. 60% of the times, 1 digit will repeat from one drawing to the next ( midday to midday and evening to evening ). 2 digit returns average about 1 in 6 draws and they can move eve to eve and midday to eve or eve to midday and midday to midday, for the 2 digit returns....I will generally watch for those that are out for awhile and play them. But what has happened in Tenn........WOW !!!!!!!!!
Also. what you have shown is over 6 months and it does happen from time to time...even here in michigan...but Tenn is a whole different animal............ VAL
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Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 1731 Posts Offline |
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I wouldn't put to much into 369 coming out and having a high payout. It's a popular number with mechanics and mussel car buffs. 369 big block Chevy engine.
Also considering the digits 3-6-9 were showing up a lot in the draws before 369 came out. Some people just might have had a hunch it would come out.
How many people who live at the address 369 you think might play it especially on Christmas.
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12/25/2007 |
Evening |
369 |
$120,290.00 |
It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.
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I miss my baby. What is your conceptual continuity?
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MD United States Member #1735 June 18, 2003 6060 Posts Online |
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It is a 396 cu. inch big block a relative of the 409 cu. inch big block which spawned the baddest rat motor of all the 427 cu. inch bigblock. Me like big block Chebies.
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I miss my baby. 409 available from 1961 to 1965
427 (Z11) available only in 1963
2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models
1965 Chevrolet Corvette
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1965-1972 Full-size models
427 was introduced in 1966
454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations.
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Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 1731 Posts Offline |
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409 available from 1961 to 1965
427 (Z11) available only in 1963
2 Generation 2: Mark IV Series
396 and 402 was introduced in the 1965 and 396 bored out by .030 to create
402 they called it the Turbo-Jet 400 and stuck it in these models
1965 Chevrolet Corvette
1965-1972 Chevrolet Chevelle
1967-1972 Chevrolet Camaro
1968-1970 Chevrolet Nova
1970-1972 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1965-1972 Full-size models
427 was introduced in 1966
454 then came as a result of the mussel car era
572 was a hopped up version of the 454 Chevrolet began offering an 572 cu in (9.4 L) "crate motor" in 2003 which produced 720 hp
And of course all these big blocks engines can be massaged to make a lot of different configurations. Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.
But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads. No biggie.
The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response. If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force! What is your conceptual continuity?
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MD United States Member #1735 June 18, 2003 6060 Posts Online |
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Thanks for straightening that out. I currently own a vehicle with a 350 M motor see if that is in wikiwiki.
But nevertheless, yeah, all of these engines are kindred, but saying 369 cu. in. is kinda like scratching the chalk board to us old motor heads. No biggie.
The last thing I rebuilt is a 225 Evinrude loop scavenge 2-stroke boat engine, it is rated in KW output @ 5500 rpms its output (theoretically) is about 18 Kwatts. the boat weighs about 2,700lbs. at about 1/2 throttle trimmed out on calm water is about as fun as it gets, it is almost like flying with instantaneous response. If you ever so slightly accelerate it puts you back and turning you can feel the G force! 350 Chevy engine
one of my favorite numbers
While i am mostly into big blocks more has been done to the 350 engine then just about any engine. Gorilla motor comes to mind. You can mix and mingle 400 Chevy parts cranks etc and build just about any street or strip aplication. All depends on how deep your pockets are.
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