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Pennsylvania Lottery declares 'foul' during Nov. 7 Cash 5 drawing
Pennsylvania Lottery declares 'foul' during Nov. 7 Cash 5 drawingPosted: 11/8/2008 6:24:47 PM  Pennsylvania Lottery officials declared a foul during the Friday, Nov. 7, Cash 5 drawing after the machine failed to drop the first numbered ball, 34, into the viewing chamber in a reasonable amount of time.
After the drawing official moved on to successfully complete the MATCH 6 lotto drawing, the Cash 5 machine resumed drawing the remaining four numbers 11, 13, 37 and 02.
After careful review of the drawing tape by Lottery officials, the volunteer senior witness and a Certified Public Accountant, along with TV studio personnel, it was determined that the official winning Cash 5 numbers for the Friday, Nov. 7, drawing are 02-11-13-34-37.
The Pennsylvania Lottery has taken tonight's Cash 5 drawing machine out of service so that it can be inspected by the manufacturer. A backup Cash 5 drawing machine will be used in the interim.
The last time a Lottery drawing was fouled was May 23, 2007, when Lottery officials fouled the nighttime drawing of The Daily Number.
The Pennsylvania Lottery issued a statement of regret over any inconvenience caused by tonight's Cash 5 drawing.
Thanks to Julius May for the tip. Source: Lottery Post Staff
Mid-Atlantic United States Member #22537 September 20, 2005 33 Posts Offline |
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Pennsylvania Lottery officials declared a foul during the Friday, Nov. 7, Cash 5 drawing after the machine failed to drop the first numbered ball, 34, into the viewing chamber in a reasonable amount of time.
After the drawing official moved on to successfully complete the MATCH 6 lotto drawing, the Cash 5 machine resumed drawing the remaining four numbers 11, 13, 37 and 02.
After careful review of the drawing tape by Lottery officials, the volunteer senior witness and a Certified Public Accountant, along with TV studio personnel, it was determined that the official winning Cash 5 numbers for the Friday, Nov. 7, drawing are 02-11-13-34-37.
The Pennsylvania Lottery has taken tonight's Cash 5 drawing machine out of service so that it can be inspected by the manufacturer. A backup Cash 5 drawing machine will be used in the interim.
The last time a Lottery drawing was fouled was May 23, 2007, when Lottery officials fouled the nighttime drawing of The Daily Number.
The Pennsylvania Lottery issued a statement of regret over any inconvenience caused by tonight's Cash 5 drawing.
Thanks to Julius May for the tip. Damn those ping pong balls, there have been more fouls with them than with RNG systems.
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United States Member #6475 August 20, 2004 2035 Posts Offline |
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Damn those ping pong balls, there have been more fouls with them than with RNG systems. That may be the case but I doubt it and if a ball machine does make a foul it is noticeable and may only happen once in a while as opposed to the RNG systems which can screw the players for up to a month before the problem will be recognized. And that is a proven fact.
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Atwater, Ohio United States Member #33045 February 14, 2006 1237 Posts Offline |
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"After careful review of the drawing tape by Lottery officials, the volunteer senior witness and a Certified Public Accountant, along with TV studio personnel, it was determined that the official winning Cash 5 numbers for the Friday, Nov. 7, drawing are 02-11-13-34-37."
The only real harm to the viewers was they didn't get to see the rest of balls dropping. If anything these occasional malfunctions should prove to the players the drawings are live and random.
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 15569 Posts Online |
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Damn those ping pong balls, there have been more fouls with them than with RNG systems. Um, that's not true. Problems with RNGs go undetected in many cases for months, and completely foul months of drawings at a time. There are many documented cases right here in these News pages.
In this case, the system worked perfectly: A slight mechanical error that happened AFTER the ball was selected from the drum was duly noted by the lottery, and all because it is a mechanical drawing, and not bits and bytes inside a computer, a human being could easily see the drawing took place, and what the results were.
With computerized drawings, they would just say "programmer error" and nobody would ever know what the intended drawing should have been.
Errors will happen. That's a matter of fact, no matter what the drawing system is.
If anything, this story demonstrates how vastly superior real, mechnical drawings are.
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Stroudsburg, PA United States Member #1860 July 11, 2003 2544 Posts Offline |
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Um, that's not true. Problems with RNGs go undetected in many cases for months, and completely foul months of drawings at a time. There are many documented cases right here in these News pages.
In this case, the system worked perfectly: A slight mechanical error that happened AFTER the ball was selected from the drum was duly noted by the lottery, and all because it is a mechanical drawing, and not bits and bytes inside a computer, a human being could easily see the drawing took place, and what the results were.
With computerized drawings, they would just say "programmer error" and nobody would ever know what the intended drawing should have been.
Errors will happen. That's a matter of fact, no matter what the drawing system is.
If anything, this story demonstrates how vastly superior real, mechnical drawings are. Absolutely right.
They were able to detect the error because there was transparency. They would have never detected any flaw had it been an RNG, they would have assumed everything was on the up and up, even when it wasn't. What they call the "security" that comes with RNG, is really just blissful ignorance. You only need one ticket to win. But you'll win more with one hundred.
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United States Member #10921 January 23, 2005 772 Posts Online |
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At least in a ball drawing you can see visually what went wrong. In a computerized draw the only way would be to see the program code. I suggest the Lotteries are forced to make this code public!
I remember one or two times in nj they were drawing the Cash 5 and the machine got stuck after the 3rd ball, so the hostess reached into the machine while looking the opposite way, and grabbed out the last few! I may even have a screen copy showing this.
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