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Eastern Time (GMT-5:00) | Home -> Forums -> Lottery News -> Iowa Lottery security chief to grill NY lawyer over Hot Lotto ticket Iowa Lottery security chief to grill NY lawyer over Hot Lotto ticketPrevious TopicNext TopicViva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 3868 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 2:19 pm - IP Logged | |
Yes. Questions do need to be asked. There was a scandal two or three years ago where some state's lottery tech employees with top-level system access were able to print duplicate winning tickets and have friends claim the money. The tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets. These guys were sys admins at the state lottery headquarters, and had access to terminals and printers. They manipulated the system so the tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets printed out at the stores. These guys would wait until a ticket with a "minor" prize ($10,000 or even $1,000) was about to expire, then send a friend/relative to collect the winnings. They would then split the money. So many tickets are never checked -- collecting dust in drawers or even run the the washing machine or accidentally thrown away. Those tickets expire and the money goes back to the state. These guys figured if the tickets had not been presented in almost six months time, they would probably not be presented. They would print an identical ticket and get someone to pretend to be the purchaser. Why let it that money go to waste?  Well, because that's grand larceny and a host of other crimes. Lottery officials in this state finally figured out something was going on when so many "just in time" tickets started being presented. Arrests were made. So, with this case, if these people waited SIX MONTHS to collect on a $10 MILLION ticket, then they aren't going to mind waiting just a little longer, are they? The lottery security just wants to make sure everything is legit about this ticket. ____________ The statistics spike that caused that other scandal to be uncovered is also what fingered all those convenience store clerks that stole winning lottery tickets from purchasers. They would tell people they weren't a winner, or had won a few dollars, then try to claim the big prize for themselves. So now when someone connected to a store that sells tickets has a winning ticket, extra questions are asked. That was DC and it was contractors with Pick 3 pick 4 stuff, DC is RNG, they got popped immediately. Hot Lotto is RNG, could be similar situation but it would have to be a setup grift internal theft, maybe someone got BOGLEMADAS bogus ticket that printed out at the wrong terminal????? And he wants it back before he is found out.  BOGLEMADABEEZELBUB!
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PA United States Member #66644 October 16, 2008 1114 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 5:34 pm - IP Logged | |
Someone like this guy needs to investigate Their President & Congress. As well as The Wise Latina & The Kagan! | | |
United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 2113 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 8:38 pm - IP Logged | |
Maybe they're stalling. Hopefully, they weren't letting Corzine's outfit hold the money before the prize was claimed.  In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency. | | |
egg harbor twp.south jersey shore United States Member #112990 June 29, 2011 1379 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 9:28 pm - IP Logged | |
Maybe they're stalling. Hopefully, they weren't letting Corzine's outfit hold the money before the prize was claimed. corzine is a crook, and may have been able to hide in the background forever if he did't have poliical ambitions, his greed told him jersey people are suckers,we are'nt , it blew up in his face,now he's got more problems. but i doubt he will ever spend a day in jail. he is too rich. Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds -- Charles Mackay LL.D. | | |
mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 13921 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 9:35 pm - IP Logged | |
Yes. Questions do need to be asked. There was a scandal two or three years ago where some state's lottery tech employees with top-level system access were able to print duplicate winning tickets and have friends claim the money. The tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets. These guys were sys admins at the state lottery headquarters, and had access to terminals and printers. They manipulated the system so the tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets printed out at the stores. These guys would wait until a ticket with a "minor" prize ($10,000 or even $1,000) was about to expire, then send a friend/relative to collect the winnings. They would then split the money. So many tickets are never checked -- collecting dust in drawers or even run the the washing machine or accidentally thrown away. Those tickets expire and the money goes back to the state. These guys figured if the tickets had not been presented in almost six months time, they would probably not be presented. They would print an identical ticket and get someone to pretend to be the purchaser. Why let it that money go to waste? Well, because that's grand larceny and a host of other crimes. Lottery officials in this state finally figured out something was going on when so many "just in time" tickets started being presented. Arrests were made. So, with this case, if these people waited SIX MONTHS to collect on a $10 MILLION ticket, then they aren't going to mind waiting just a little longer, are they? The lottery security just wants to make sure everything is legit about this ticket. ____________ The statistics spike that caused that other scandal to be uncovered is also what fingered all those convenience store clerks that stole winning lottery tickets from purchasers. They would tell people they weren't a winner, or had won a few dollars, then try to claim the big prize for themselves. So now when someone connected to a store that sells tickets has a winning ticket, extra questions are asked. Also don't forget many cities are now taxing lottery winnings as regular income so they would want to know if they are due any taxes and who's paying it. * that which happens most *
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PA United States Member #66644 October 16, 2008 1114 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 18, 2012, 9:54 pm - IP Logged | |
I got the Powerball tonite, as long as I don't drop the ticket in my coffee like I did my Mega Millions ticket. Good thing the PA Lottery makes coffee resistant tickets. No need for an investigation either!
And only Federal taxes here in PA ! | | |
United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 2113 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 7:25 am - IP Logged | |
Also don't forget many cities are now taxing lottery winnings as regular income so they would want to know if they are due any taxes and who's paying it. I once lived in a place that had income taxes at state, county, and city levels.  I'm surprised they didn't build walls to keep people in.  In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency. | | |
Viva La Chance! Rockville, MD. United States Member #44542 July 30, 2006 3868 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 9:06 am - IP Logged | |
Iowa is basically in trouble they can't even count votes, and are missing 8 precincts from the caucus. Something is wrong in Iowa!! Meth?????????? It will meth you up everytime. Get with it Iowa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Washington United States Member #119633 November 28, 2011 9 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 9:47 am - IP Logged | |
Something is definitely up - the lottery officials are too willing to risk media attention. | | |
S.E.Iowa United States Member #120520 December 21, 2011 335 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 10:32 am - IP Logged | |
Someone like this guy needs to investigate Their President & Congress. As well as The Wise Latina & The Kagan! What the heck is The Wise Latina & The Kagan? And what the heck do they (whatever they are) have to do with the lottery? | | |
Kentucky United States Member #33045 February 14, 2006 3105 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 11:37 am - IP Logged | |
Yes. Questions do need to be asked. There was a scandal two or three years ago where some state's lottery tech employees with top-level system access were able to print duplicate winning tickets and have friends claim the money. The tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets. These guys were sys admins at the state lottery headquarters, and had access to terminals and printers. They manipulated the system so the tickets they printed were identical to the winning tickets printed out at the stores. These guys would wait until a ticket with a "minor" prize ($10,000 or even $1,000) was about to expire, then send a friend/relative to collect the winnings. They would then split the money. So many tickets are never checked -- collecting dust in drawers or even run the the washing machine or accidentally thrown away. Those tickets expire and the money goes back to the state. These guys figured if the tickets had not been presented in almost six months time, they would probably not be presented. They would print an identical ticket and get someone to pretend to be the purchaser. Why let it that money go to waste? Well, because that's grand larceny and a host of other crimes. Lottery officials in this state finally figured out something was going on when so many "just in time" tickets started being presented. Arrests were made. So, with this case, if these people waited SIX MONTHS to collect on a $10 MILLION ticket, then they aren't going to mind waiting just a little longer, are they? The lottery security just wants to make sure everything is legit about this ticket. ____________ The statistics spike that caused that other scandal to be uncovered is also what fingered all those convenience store clerks that stole winning lottery tickets from purchasers. They would tell people they weren't a winner, or had won a few dollars, then try to claim the big prize for themselves. So now when someone connected to a store that sells tickets has a winning ticket, extra questions are asked. "The Iowa Lottery's security chief says it will likely take "several...days" of face-to-face meetings with a New York attorney and others to get all the questions answered about a winning "Hot Lotto" ticket." It doesn't take several days just to ask if the owner of the trust purchased the ticket, why they waited until the last minute to have the ticket validated, and why was it necessary to use an out of state lawyer to sign for the trust. Logical answers would be the player that purchased the ticket died before having it validated, the ticket was recently discovered, and the trust was formed by the executor who lives out of state. Barney Fife Steve Bogle needs more evidence than "something smells fishy" to stop payment on the prize. | | |
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New York, NY United States Member #120664 December 24, 2011 16 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 11:46 am - IP Logged | |
unfortunately I live in NYC which is one such city. Our neighbor Yonkers is another. | | |
United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 2113 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 12:59 pm - IP Logged | |
What the heck is The Wise Latina & The Kagan? And what the heck do they (whatever they are) have to do with the lottery? The reference is to the two newest women SCOTUS judges. In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency. | | |
S.E.Iowa United States Member #120520 December 21, 2011 335 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 19, 2012, 3:37 pm - IP Logged | |
The reference is to the two newest women SCOTUS judges. Thank you,time*treat. | | |
metro Atlanta area United States Member #4195 March 23, 2004 44 Posts Offline | | Posted: January 21, 2012, 8:48 am - IP Logged | |
That was DC and it was contractors with Pick 3 pick 4 stuff, DC is RNG, they got popped immediately. Hot Lotto is RNG, could be similar situation but it would have to be a setup grift internal theft, maybe someone got BOGLEMADAS bogus ticket that printed out at the wrong terminal????? And he wants it back before he is found out. BOGLEMADABEEZELBUB! I couldn't remember exactly where it was, but I do remember it was duplicate tickets printed off lottery computer system and printers. They were wating until the time had almost expired to claim the money, just in case the REAL winner showed up with the REAL ticket. But because of that case, now anyone who shows up very late undergoes extra scrutiny. For a multi-state prize like Mega Millions or Powerball, pulling off something like that would be harder. They probably have more safeguards in place. But THIS particular ticket is a state lottery ticket. And every state has their own computer system which may have security holes. For a huge prize like this -- $10 million -- some lottery employee/contractor may think they could get away with it -- especially if they use some out-of-state relative/friend and get some law firm involved who swears not to reveal the true owner.  Yes the lottery needs to make sure the claim is legit. Is the owner of the ticket the same man in the store video? If not, then why? How did an New York law firm come into possession of a ticket bought in Iowa?
Again, if it's legitimate the soon to be rich owner(s) do not mind waiting. They waited six months for some reason, while holding the ticket. Waiting a few days more is nothing.
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