You last visited June 19, 2013, 9:42 am All times shown are Eastern Time (GMT-5:00) | $241 MILLION: Mega Millions lottery frenzy ramps upTX United States Member #121208 January 4, 2012 786 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 8:51 pm - IP Logged | |
I wonder if you can save on taxes this way. You take the annuity option. Part of that payment is interest. Interest is accrued when you are in Switzerland not your state. Searching4luck.....tell ya what, since you are still bent on the annuity issue ..take a look at all the Powerball winners and ALL the Mega Millions winners and see how many of them took the annuity versus taking the cash......wonder how many of them talked to financial advisers before accepting the jackpot ?? 2/3rds, 1/2 ??? I think those folks probably took their accountants advice and TOOK THE CASH !!!!!!...but like any winner, its yours to do with what you please....Best of luck in tonight's and future drawings... Jackpots...Just Average Citizens Keeping Possibilities Open Towards Security  | | |
KS United States Member #103035 December 29, 2010 108 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 9:40 pm - IP Logged | |
Kansas has ruined their karma by not making Toto their official state dog. What were they thinking. I seen that my daughter was so sad because all the kids in her school colored pictures and sent them to Rep. Timmer. DREAMS DO COME TRUE!!!!!!!!! | | |
KS United States Member #103035 December 29, 2010 108 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 9:41 pm - IP Logged | |
Wait a minute, isn't that where Dorothy was from? The Wizard of Oz couldn't pull it off back in "36", but I think your time is due now Kansas!!! I bought my ticket tonight now just to wait for tuesday to get here.
DREAMS DO COME TRUE!!!!!!!!! | | |
KS United States Member #103035 December 29, 2010 108 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 9:44 pm - IP Logged | |
Not saying this or the PB jackpot is mine but when an LP blogger wins let's make the agreement that he/she will pay homage to HRH Todd and the LP Royal Family. We don't have to know who you are on here but just want to know that one of us finally HIT BIG!!!! Deal? I will make sure i say a big thank you to HRH Todd and all my LP Royal Family!
DREAMS DO COME TRUE!!!!!!!!! | | |
Indiana United States Member #120733 December 26, 2011 47 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 10:05 pm - IP Logged | |
Searching4luck.....tell ya what, since you are still bent on the annuity issue ..take a look at all the Powerball winners and ALL the Mega Millions winners and see how many of them took the annuity versus taking the cash......wonder how many of them talked to financial advisers before accepting the jackpot ?? 2/3rds, 1/2 ??? I think those folks probably took their accountants advice and TOOK THE CASH !!!!!!...but like any winner, its yours to do with what you please....Best of luck in tonight's and future drawings... There are actually some very good articles looking at Yield Curves that suggest that the annuity is better - not taking into account the interest question that I posted. I presume you don't know the answer to my question and thus decided to snark at me. I can snark back and say take a look at their broke asses years later to see how well their financial advisers advised them. It is a simple tax question and you don't know the answer. So , instead of ridiculing me ponder whether you can get out of paying taxes to the state if you take the annuity. 30 million interest at 9% tax savings is more than some jackpots. | | |
Taunton, Ma United States Member #123016 February 11, 2012 136 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 17, 2012, 10:45 pm - IP Logged | |
AGREED!!!! Would it be a bad thing if an LP member won and everyone knew who they were? You think that person would be hounded with inbox messages? Absolutely! but you know what , it wouldn't bother me a bit ! Scratchies for the win! We are in a two-party dictatorship. You want change ? Vote third party | | |
Ga United States Member #120470 December 20, 2011 113 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 12:14 am - IP Logged | |
This is gonna stall PB sales till it hits. Just under $118 million cash in Ga. I'll be playing MM tuesday. If you win, when you quit Would you be a $%& to your boss cause whats he gonna do fire you?, or just leave quietly cause you don't want any attention? | | |
TX United States Member #121208 January 4, 2012 786 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 12:25 am - IP Logged | |
This is gonna stall PB sales till it hits. Just under $118 million cash in Ga. I'll be playing MM tuesday. If you win, when you quit Would you be a $%& to your boss cause whats he gonna do fire you?, or just leave quietly cause you don't want any attention? Guess that would depend on the boss.....being civil and leaving quietly would be the smart thing to do ....you can always sit back on a beach or in the mountains someplace and smile. You know the coworkers would be saying,"he never said a word, I am suprised he never told me" ....send em a post card from Hawaii Jackpots...Just Average Citizens Keeping Possibilities Open Towards Security  | | |
United States Member #124626 March 16, 2012 1459 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 12:32 am - IP Logged | |
There are actually some very good articles looking at Yield Curves that suggest that the annuity is better - not taking into account the interest question that I posted. I presume you don't know the answer to my question and thus decided to snark at me. I can snark back and say take a look at their broke asses years later to see how well their financial advisers advised them. It is a simple tax question and you don't know the answer. So , instead of ridiculing me ponder whether you can get out of paying taxes to the state if you take the annuity. 30 million interest at 9% tax savings is more than some jackpots. ooOOoo I can try to sound intelligent! ready? ok! Taxes now vs. taxes then. It's not really a question of that, as much as a question of whether you believe that you will make better long term investment choices than the return you would receive via: the annuity. Example: you are an impulsive person and believe sincerely that glass slippers are about to make a HUGE comeback... and invest ALL your money in this SURE THING. recommendation? take the annuity. However, should be on a more earth-bound investment strategy, and believe from either track record, or the brilliance in your 'crew' that you assembled after your win, that they can beat the 4%-ish interest rate that the annuity will make long term? then take the lump sum and you will probably, should your after-tax interest rate be 4% - definitely do better than the annuity would. As far as tax rates go? the tax policies of the US get modified every year at the end of October (why October? is it cooincidence that it is the same time as Halloween? dunno) and those policies can **insert gasp of horror here** be retroactive to the January 1st date of that current year!!! so... annuity wise you are betting on a lower tax rate over time, while lump-sum you are betting that taxes will go up or remain constant. Are there other factors to take into account? Of course! how about present value of the dollar? (ooOOoo i best wrap this up as I have used up all my 'smart-sounding words') Good luck and go win win win! | | |
Urbandale, IA United States Member #8788 November 11, 2004 114 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 12:50 am - IP Logged | |
I wonder if you can save on taxes this way. You take the annuity option. Part of that payment is interest. Interest is accrued when you are in Switzerland not your state. When you take cash, you pay the maximum federal and state income tax rates on nearly all of the dollars (because the U.S. has a graduated tax system). When you take the annuity, more of the money is taxed at zero and lower rates that the maximum rate. But the BIG reason to consider annuity is that if you take the annuity, then the lottery can invest the money BEFORE taxes. If you take cash, then you end up with about half the money left over to invest. It is tough to invest $100 million and catch up to someone who has invested $200 million. Then you pay taxes on whatever you earn. Of course, you also risk losing it all. The lottery annuity stream is guaranteed. The state takes the risk of loss of the investment. But, there are good reasons for taking the CASH too. It you are a careful person or have a good place to put the money - usually someplace where you live with it, like your own business - then it can be a good investment. it is also true that taxes are at historic lows and are likely to go up. Interest rates are at historic lows and are also likely to go up. So, one view is that it is best to pay the taxes at the lower rates and decide not to lock in investments at the low rates. But if you are not very good invesetments and tend spend all of your money, then the annuity option may be the best choice. The other answer is correct. So far, all U.S. district tax courts have held that the state has sufficient nexus to assess an income tax. Moving to a tax-free state or nation makes no difference. | | |
TX United States Member #121208 January 4, 2012 786 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 1:36 am - IP Logged | |
When you take cash, you pay the maximum federal and state income tax rates on nearly all of the dollars (because the U.S. has a graduated tax system). When you take the annuity, more of the money is taxed at zero and lower rates that the maximum rate. But the BIG reason to consider annuity is that if you take the annuity, then the lottery can invest the money BEFORE taxes. If you take cash, then you end up with about half the money left over to invest. It is tough to invest $100 million and catch up to someone who has invested $200 million. Then you pay taxes on whatever you earn. Of course, you also risk losing it all. The lottery annuity stream is guaranteed. The state takes the risk of loss of the investment. But, there are good reasons for taking the CASH too. It you are a careful person or have a good place to put the money - usually someplace where you live with it, like your own business - then it can be a good investment. it is also true that taxes are at historic lows and are likely to go up. Interest rates are at historic lows and are also likely to go up. So, one view is that it is best to pay the taxes at the lower rates and decide not to lock in investments at the low rates. But if you are not very good invesetments and tend spend all of your money, then the annuity option may be the best choice. The other answer is correct. So far, all U.S. district tax courts have held that the state has sufficient nexus to assess an income tax. Moving to a tax-free state or nation makes no difference. Chuck, I got looking at the total difference on this issue.....if you took the annuity, 241 mil divided by 26 payments.. it turns out to be roughly 9.2 mill a year before taxes....take the 35% federal(current rate now, unknown in the future) and whatever your state tax is..lets say 6% for a combined total of 41% on 9.2 mil, that gives you 5.33 mil a year for 26 payments = 138.73 million which includes the lotteries interest after the next 25 years.....not too shabby, if thats how its done...... Lets go lump sum...171 cash times 35% federal tax(current rate now) and (guessing)6% state tax ( 171 x .41) equals 70.1 in taxes..leaving you with 100 million and change..... I relocate to a state like Florida where there is no state income tax and invest 80 million. I think I could make up the 58 million in less than 25 years including the taxes on my interest.................But, with all that cash in hand at the end of the day...I dont think I would get too stressed if I didnt. Jackpots...Just Average Citizens Keeping Possibilities Open Towards Security  | | |
Elgin, IL United States Member #93570 July 2, 2010 298 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 3:44 am - IP Logged | |
This is gonna stall PB sales till it hits. Just under $118 million cash in Ga. I'll be playing MM tuesday. If you win, when you quit Would you be a $%& to your boss cause whats he gonna do fire you?, or just leave quietly cause you don't want any attention? Give a two weeks notice. I don't want them to know I won millions either. The winner could be anybody, so giving a two weeks notice is not going to make them believe it was you who won. Maybe you found a better job? Maybe the doctor said you could no longer work? Maybe it's none of their freaking business? It seems like many winners just don't how to keep their mouths shut. I think I'm going to pass out when I see all six numbers are the same. | | |
Elgin, IL United States Member #93570 July 2, 2010 298 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 5:09 am - IP Logged | |
I can't buy tickets, I'm in Florida, this is SO Sad.
Sad, not! The Powerball is always in your corner. | | |
United States Member #111467 May 25, 2011 6323 Posts Offline
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Sad, not! The Powerball is always in your corner. Its true our hero the Powerball is always fighting for you!  Be glad, not sad. Powerball promises to come to your state soon! But you must believe TheRightPrice!  | | |
PA United States Member #66644 October 16, 2008 1285 Posts Offline | | Posted: March 18, 2012, 8:29 am - IP Logged | |
Always take the cash! If the Dems have their way, the tax rate for the "rich" will go up! And the resulting inflation will kill your annuity! dpoly1 - Playing the lottery to save the jobs of those that build, transport, sell & maintain luxury items! - Eschew Poverty ........... Vote Conservative! | | |
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