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Kentucky Lottery moving drawing show to the Internet

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Posted: September 5, 2012, 1:01 pm - IP Logged

Well please feel free to join me at the top, it can get lonely up here you know......

The top is a lonely place for good reason, only room for ONE.

May I suggest picking up a game of solitaire, to pass away your lonely times?

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    Im not a scientist, but I think they use computers for the same reason we don't use a stamp and send mail.

    Excuse me?  can you explain that comment?  Are you being a Narcissist?

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      Excuse me?  can you explain that comment?  Are you being a Narcissist?

      No, I just didn't understand why you would ask a question that seems self-explanatory??

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        This is for Todd, and Chip. First I want to respond to the claim that the lottery numbers are realized through RNG"S.  That claim is the most ridiculous thing I have read on here so far. Without getting scientific about it, I will just ask this one question; Why use a computer system to generate numbers anyway? Moreover, using the ball system is, in my opinion, the fairest; and really the only way!  Gambling is a part of my recreational hobbies. I do it not only with the lottery but, also with casino's. Another question is this: If all thing are equal between the lottery agency and the gambler, why then are certain numbers limited to player access? Is it because the lottery do not want to lose its control? Lets find the answers to these few questions. Then we can move on to more intricate ones. Thanks.

        "Why use a computer system to generate numbers anyway? "

        From the article: "Our current production costs for the drawing are slightly over a half million dollars per year," said Kelley. "By bringing this production in-house, a significant amount of what we were spending (around 95% after start-up costs) can be saved."

        The KY Lottery will save $475,000 annually by streaming their live ball drawing on the Internet. The Tennessee Lottery uses a computer program for their drawings and it doesn't look much different than the "lucky number cruncher" on the KY site that players can use to generate random numbers. If you ask Rebecca Hargrove why TN uses a RNG, the answer will probably be cutting costs.

        http://www.tnlottery.com/anim_drawings/default.aspx?id=cash3

        http://www.kylottery.com/apps/draw_games/number_cruncher.html

        I agree that live ball drawings are much better, but any cost cutting lottery director will point out if only 2% of the players are watching the live ball drawings, 98% don't care how the results are produced. The KY Lottery found a way to cut cost and maintain the integrity of their drawings.


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          "Why use a computer system to generate numbers anyway? "

          From the article: "Our current production costs for the drawing are slightly over a half million dollars per year," said Kelley. "By bringing this production in-house, a significant amount of what we were spending (around 95% after start-up costs) can be saved."

          The KY Lottery will save $475,000 annually by streaming their live ball drawing on the Internet. The Tennessee Lottery uses a computer program for their drawings and it doesn't look much different than the "lucky number cruncher" on the KY site that players can use to generate random numbers. If you ask Rebecca Hargrove why TN uses a RNG, the answer will probably be cutting costs.

          http://www.tnlottery.com/anim_drawings/default.aspx?id=cash3

          http://www.kylottery.com/apps/draw_games/number_cruncher.html

          I agree that live ball drawings are much better, but any cost cutting lottery director will point out if only 2% of the players are watching the live ball drawings, 98% don't care how the results are produced. The KY Lottery found a way to cut cost and maintain the integrity of their drawings.

          My point exactly Stack47. its easier, faster AND saves money.

          Im in the 98% who trust the lottery to be fair and honest.

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            My point exactly Stack47. its easier, faster AND saves money.

            Im in the 98% who trust the lottery to be fair and honest.

            Fair and honest maybe, but some can still be just plain dumb.

            http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-04-09/entertainment/29433420_1_lottery-drawings-lottery-agents-lottery-officials

            "To make matters worse, the problem was found and corrected after players - not the lottery - noticed no double-digit numbers had been drawn over a three-week stretch."

            That includes two drawings per day in both the pick-3 and pick-4 games.


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              Fair and honest maybe, but some can still be just plain dumb.

              http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-04-09/entertainment/29433420_1_lottery-drawings-lottery-agents-lottery-officials

              "To make matters worse, the problem was found and corrected after players - not the lottery - noticed no double-digit numbers had been drawn over a three-week stretch."

              That includes two drawings per day in both the pick-3 and pick-4 games.

              Yeah, I would think glitches are to be expected. Our "duplicate tickets" problem here in AZ was quickly resolved by the third party who maintains the terminals in 26 states.

              http://www.azfamily.com/news/consumer/UPDATE-Mega-Millions-Mystery--146462605.html

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                Is the ky. lottery still thinking about changing the pick 3 and the pick 4 pay out to an lesser amont ?

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                  Hey folks. Chip Polston from the KY Lottery here. First off let me apologize for taking a bit to get a post on here that answered some of your questions. I had a great post written, and in trying to be helpful I committed one of the cardinal sins of the site (posting my email address so people could send me questions) and managed to get my account blocked and lost my post! Sorry Todd!

                  As Todd said in his earlier post, I'll be looking here for any questions that I could answer about this new draw show we'll be starting in just a couple of weeks. Although this wasn't a question, I did want to address some of the concerns I read here about lottery staff members "monitoring" this site. When I log on to my computer every morning, Lottery Post is one of the first three websites I check (after our Facebook page and local paper). I do this for two reasons - one is that this site is the best I've found for player-based news concerning happenings in our industry, and the second is that the site also provides some of the most solid player feedback I've found. If I want to get a good idea as to how players feel about something, this is the site to go to. It's important that we don't operate in an ivory tower, but instead have a good solid grounding of how players feel (both positively and negatively) about what we do. I haven't found another site that can match this one for that type of feedback. So that's what I'm looking for - I will admit that I once got lost in some of the prediction threads, and quite honestly it made my head spin so badly that I never went back!

                  Now for some of your questions:

                  Question for Kentucky Lottery:

                  Do you remain committed to the real ball drawings that players prefer for all games as opposed to ever going to computer drawings which players hate?

                  I probably shouldn't say this, but Ridge Runner, you're a legend in this building! You cemented that status a year or so ago with a comment you made on this site about my boss Steve Casebeer - you said anyone with "case" and "beer" in their name had to be an alright guy. We still talk about that around here!

                  To your question - you're like the Grover Norquist of RNGs, Ridge Runner! As someone posted earlier, we do use random number generators (RNGs) in our 5 Card Cash game as well as for the Kicker component of our KY Cash Ball Game. I think our commitment to balls and machines you asked about is evidenced by the announcement we made yesterday. Shutting down our draw show and going RNG was one of the routes we could have taken. Quite honestly it would've been a lot easier! But we realize and appreciate the importance of players being able to see balls with winning numbers coming out of machines, and by building this studio, we've made the commitment to do that. Does that mean absolutely nothing will change 5 or 10 years down the road? No. But by taking this step - in a time when many other states have shut down their show altogether and gone full RNG - I hope it shows how much we value traditional draws in our product mix.

                  And there were these...uh...interesting questions from mcginnin56:

                  Which game is most profitable for your players?
                   
                  The higher the price on our scratch-off tickets, the higher the return - some of the $20 tickets have prize returns in excess of 70%. And sometimes we get SHELLACKED on our draw games - a series of triple digits and other popular numbers for our Pick 3 game in July paid out 93.5% of sales in prizes!

                  Which game is most profitable for the Kentucky Lottery Commission?

                  Powerball and Mega Millions are the most profitable games - they return about 50 cents on the dollar, and our profits go to college scholarship and grant programs.

                  What will the pick 4 numbers be, for your mid-day drawing for September 5?

                  Definitely something between 0000 and 9999. Ask me again around 1:45 and I'll have a much better answer :)

                  Which question did you like the best?

                  Absolutely that last one.

                  So there we go. Thanks for the questions and some of the downright nice comments I've read on this thread. I'll be back on here tomorrow AM, so fire away with any other questions or concerns. We appreciate you playing, and hope you enjoy our new show starting on the 16th!

                   

                  Well thank ya kindly, Chip.

                  I'm glad to hear you're staying with the ball drawings.

                  And tell ol' Mr Casebeer I said hey.

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                    Yeah, I would think glitches are to be expected. Our "duplicate tickets" problem here in AZ was quickly resolved by the third party who maintains the terminals in 26 states.

                    http://www.azfamily.com/news/consumer/UPDATE-Mega-Millions-Mystery--146462605.html

                    I think you're misunderstanding what the "glitch" was. The drawing RNG was programed to show no repeat digits and it went on for over three weeks. That means every player who bought a pick three combo with a double or triple digit had no chance of winning. The players spent over $2 million on worthless tickets.


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                      I think you're misunderstanding what the "glitch" was. The drawing RNG was programed to show no repeat digits and it went on for over three weeks. That means every player who bought a pick three combo with a double or triple digit had no chance of winning. The players spent over $2 million on worthless tickets.

                      Yeah, that's why its called a "glitch" because it should not have happened but it did.

                      Most likely an inadvertent mistake, and its a risk players agree to when they buy the tickets,

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                        Yeah, that's why its called a "glitch" because it should not have happened but it did.

                        Most likely an inadvertent mistake, and its a risk players agree to when they buy the tickets,

                        The other night you played the bonus number "8" on several PB tickets, it wasn't drawn, and probably threw away the losing tickets. You might continue playing "8" multiple times for the next several drawings. What if you found out after over 20 losing drawings the number "8" wasn't in the bonus number machine making it impossible for you to win any prize including the jackpot that required matching the bonus number? Was that a risk you took when you bought your tickets?

                        The players playing doubles and triples in the pick-3 game and doubles, trips, double-doubles, and quads in the pick-4 game had no chance of winning; it's one thing to take a risk with very little chance of winning, but nobody in their right mind would take a risk knowing they have NO chance of winning. That "inadvertent mistake" cheated players out of over $2 million in wagers.

                        There were LP members starting threads and making comments when no doubles were drawn in either game for ten days and some sent emails to the TN Lottery. It took almost two more weeks before the TN Lottery figured out something was wrong. One member even posted a reply from the TN Lottery saying the RNG was tested and doubles were in fact drawn during the test. But Hargrove said the RNG was programed with no repeat numbers because of the pick-5 game making it impossible for even the tests to show doubles in the pick-3 and pick-4 games.

                        How many inadvertent mistakes can one lottery make without getting accused of cheating?

                        Maybe we can get Chip to explain the process the KY Lottery uses to insure every bet has an equal chance of winning using live ball drawings.


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                          The other night you played the bonus number "8" on several PB tickets, it wasn't drawn, and probably threw away the losing tickets. You might continue playing "8" multiple times for the next several drawings. What if you found out after over 20 losing drawings the number "8" wasn't in the bonus number machine making it impossible for you to win any prize including the jackpot that required matching the bonus number? Was that a risk you took when you bought your tickets?

                          The players playing doubles and triples in the pick-3 game and doubles, trips, double-doubles, and quads in the pick-4 game had no chance of winning; it's one thing to take a risk with very little chance of winning, but nobody in their right mind would take a risk knowing they have NO chance of winning. That "inadvertent mistake" cheated players out of over $2 million in wagers.

                          There were LP members starting threads and making comments when no doubles were drawn in either game for ten days and some sent emails to the TN Lottery. It took almost two more weeks before the TN Lottery figured out something was wrong. One member even posted a reply from the TN Lottery saying the RNG was tested and doubles were in fact drawn during the test. But Hargrove said the RNG was programed with no repeat numbers because of the pick-5 game making it impossible for even the tests to show doubles in the pick-3 and pick-4 games.

                          How many inadvertent mistakes can one lottery make without getting accused of cheating?

                          Maybe we can get Chip to explain the process the KY Lottery uses to insure every bet has an equal chance of winning using live ball drawings.

                          I understand your point Stack, but its only "cheating" if it was done intentionally and can be proven.

                          Anyone (including me) who buys a ticket, is subject to to rules the lottery imposes.


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                            cutting cost is the BIGGEST LIE they make up. Its what they all say.

                            It isn't about saving cost at all or about new technology like the internet being available to find out the numbers.

                            Its about an agenda all lotteries have about concealing live drawings. They dont want us to see a live drawing. Especially when they dont use balls anymore, what fun is that! These officials that run the lottery are not to be trusted yet they all want us to trust them whole heartedly, BS!!

                            I wouldnt trust a lottery official if my life depended on it! And niether should you.

                            Any state that hides or conceals a drawing should not be trusted, nor their govenor who  appoints the commision. Come on people think about it! Get real!

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                              Is this good or bad news?  Is everybody on Kentucky have cable and satellite TV...I'm just wondering if everybody have one.. 

                              But you are right about lottery practice before when there were no internet or satellite TV yet.  Newspapers and other printouts were the only available source to find winning numbers...Major transition maybe, but is bearable...