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NJ bill aims to protect lottery winners' identity

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first of all anything a new jersey politician proposes must be folly. 2nd of all half the fun if you don't hit it yourself is seeing how the winners manage to screw it up for themselves by basically being brain dead. my favorite was that west virginia guy 7 or 8 years ago who completely mismanaged about 300 million. i don't understand why any would care about some stranger mismanaging his lottery hit. if you mismanage it yourself you can only blame yourself. if i can't hit it the least of my worries is that some schmuck from the midwest or pennsylvania can't figure out how to avoid the pitfalls. even if becomes an anonymous option people are going to find out. some jealous relative or friend will reveal it for sure. so this is a moot point. you would have to leave town for parts unknown to even have half a chance.

Anyone can put $10 million in an annuity and have $400-$500 thousand coming in every year for the rest of their life. And it would likely take all of about 2 hours to set up.

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    The moron that ended up under a concerete slab did not do so because his identity was found out, it was because he dated that woman and gave her access to his money and trusted her, in addition to generally being a not very bright individual. Also how would protecting the identity of the Illinois resident from the public have changed anything, it was his sister in law that killed him, not Joe Blow off the street. This guy proposing this law is an imbecile. Using two examples that have no correlation to what he is proposing is inane. 

    Identities need to be known for the simple fact as seen dozens of times on this site alone, people cheat other people all the time. From the liquor store clerk to the guy running the lottery pool at the factory. If you win millions of dollars you can move to a gated neighborhood, gate your home or move to another state or country. There are tons of millionaires and billionaires in this country and they survive and get around everyday just fine. 

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      The moron that ended up under a concerete slab did not do so because his identity was found out, it was because he dated that woman and gave her access to his money and trusted her, in addition to generally being a not very bright individual. Also how would protecting the identity of the Illinois resident from the public have changed anything, it was his sister in law that killed him, not Joe Blow off the street. This guy proposing this law is an imbecile. Using two examples that have no correlation to what he is proposing is inane. 

      Identities need to be known for the simple fact as seen dozens of times on this site alone, people cheat other people all the time. From the liquor store clerk to the guy running the lottery pool at the factory. If you win millions of dollars you can move to a gated neighborhood, gate your home or move to another state or country. There are tons of millionaires and billionaires in this country and they survive and get around everyday just fine. 

      Your arguement is nonsensical.  The reason for this legislation is that, once a lottery winner is announced publically, they're immediately set upon by any number of beggars, thieves, scam artists, distant relatives looking for money, charities aggressively seeking contributions, gold digging women or men, purveyors of high end items (sports cars, real estate, financial investments, jewelry, yachts, planes, etc) contacting them ceaselessly, kidnappers, burglars, etc; all sorts of types looking to separate them from their winnings.  Because they're now public figures & very recently in the public eye, they have no annonymity; everybody knows their face & they get stopped on the street; they get hundreds of letters each week, people call all hours of the night & day, people show up at their front door asking for money.  And, since most of the people who win are not financially sophisticated enough to even consult an attorney or accountant before claiming their prize, they're set up for disaster as they can be bamboozled out of the money by people who found out they are winners (the examples of Jack Whittaker (who claims to have been ripped off for tens of millions of dollars by hackers) and Abraham Shakespeare (who lost his winnings & his life thanks to a woman who initially found out he was a winner via the media) come to mind) or use the money to distance themselves from their lives & gradually withdraw from friends & relatives.  It's a pretty crappy way to live. 

      The whole point of the legislation is to give the winners time to put into place plans to deal with these sorts of issues.  After a year, the initial interest in their winning the lottery will be past and they'll have a small measure of annonymity; they will also have had time to make plans to protect themselves.  As for your "tons of millionaires and billionaires in this country and they survive and get around everyday just fine" comment, most of those people typically don't have their picture splashed on every website, magazine, tv newscast or on the radio all at one time; they have a measure of annonymity that protects them so they don't have to move into a gated neighborhood & live like a hermit if they don't want to; the billionaires in the public domain use private bodyguard protection teams that are not only hugely expensive but unwieldy for anyone who wants to live a normal life.  The only reason for maintaining the immediate disclosure of the winners information was to maintain the public belief in the integrity of the lottery, but the 1 year limit allows for this as well.  The legislation is a good thing, and I hope all states impliment something like it.

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        The moron that ended up under a concerete slab did not do so because his identity was found out, it was because he dated that woman and gave her access to his money and trusted her, in addition to generally being a not very bright individual. Also how would protecting the identity of the Illinois resident from the public have changed anything, it was his sister in law that killed him, not Joe Blow off the street. This guy proposing this law is an imbecile. Using two examples that have no correlation to what he is proposing is inane. 

        Identities need to be known for the simple fact as seen dozens of times on this site alone, people cheat other people all the time. From the liquor store clerk to the guy running the lottery pool at the factory. If you win millions of dollars you can move to a gated neighborhood, gate your home or move to another state or country. There are tons of millionaires and billionaires in this country and they survive and get around everyday just fine. 

        I've heard Family can be your worst enemy when it comes to money and these stories seem to prove that. All inside jobs.

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          If more players started purposefully playing in states that protect identity, I bet others would follow suit.

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            but what about the lottery in states that need to publicize winners names and situations to sell more tickets. if everyone pumped the money into a boring annuity anonymously people would lose interest in playing over time. if you're so worried about the leeches trying to separate you from your winnings don't play. but if you play and win prepare yourself for an onslaught because you invited it. (especially friends and relatives) those 2 paltry cases out of thousands who were killed or kidnapped were by people they knew, not strangers.

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              I definitely agree on this...Once a lottery winners' identity became known to public, his/her life would be endangered.  If this legislation will be passed on Congress, lottery winners will feel secure and safe.  The safety of our fellow men should be the utmost priority of this bill.


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                I'd rather risk going out in a concrete slab, then not to play at all.

                 

                There's risk in everything you do. If you going to be a coward all throughout your life, play it safe all the time, more power to you.

                If your fear your friends and relatives will kill you for your money, kill them first. Problem solved.   Chair

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                  but what about the lottery in states that need to publicize winners names and situations to sell more tickets. if everyone pumped the money into a boring annuity anonymously people would lose interest in playing over time. if you're so worried about the leeches trying to separate you from your winnings don't play. but if you play and win prepare yourself for an onslaught because you invited it. (especially friends and relatives) those 2 paltry cases out of thousands who were killed or kidnapped were by people they knew, not strangers.

                  I don't think it is necessary to reveal the winners of jackpot lotteries to the public in order to sell tickets.  People buy tickets purely because of the possibility of wining millions upon millions of dollars, however remote their chances are.  Of course, everyone, including and especially those that don't buy lottery tickets, have some semblance of the voyeur in the depths of their psyche and are interested in knowing who won, and all the particulars.  And this is where the problems come in to play, because there are always a certain percentage of people out there that would use the winner's info to scam him, and that includes everyone from the closest of family members to complete strangers.

                  As for the winners themselves, you are implying that the ones that are not very sophisticated (which I'd suspect are the lion's share) deserve to be ripped off.  I say just because some people are not very smart, or even wilfully ignorant doesn't mean everyone else gets a free pass to relive them of their winnings, or make life unbearable for them in general.  Also, all you voyeurs out there don't have the God given right to have your prurient appetites filled at the expense of someone that wins a lottery jackpot.

                  Be sassy and be happy.

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                    Rick Ross - Hustlin'   

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                      If the Lottery folks want to inspire confidence that the lottery is transparent and fair, they need to go back to drawings with a human host.  This current broadcast where the machines fire up and release numbers with no human element seems so cold and calculating, and I for one wonder if it is truly a live event at all.  Some state lotteries tape "Pre-draws" and then air the drawing that loses less revenue for the state.    Requiring a large jackpot winner to pose with the big check is a public relations tool for the Lottery - it has nothing to do with assuring the public there was actually a winner.  If it was not me, winning, I couldn't care less who it was, except for the recent scheme where an apparently affluent group of people had two individuals accept a jackpot under some incorporated entity.

                      Seems so simple: three digits, 168 to one odds when boxed... all you have to do is pick the right ones!


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                        but what about the lottery in states that need to publicize winners names and situations to sell more tickets. if everyone pumped the money into a boring annuity anonymously people would lose interest in playing over time. if you're so worried about the leeches trying to separate you from your winnings don't play. but if you play and win prepare yourself for an onslaught because you invited it. (especially friends and relatives) those 2 paltry cases out of thousands who were killed or kidnapped were by people they knew, not strangers.

                        WAIT...... thousands were killed or kidnapped??? Is any winner safe???

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                          The argument that a winner's identity needs to be revealed in order to verify there is a winner is completely invalid.

                           

                          This is what one lottery commission does for all their drawings.

                           

                          Q: How are replay winners selected?
                          A: Winners are randomly selected from all entries received for each drawing. Drawings are conducted according to established Lottery protocols under the observation of an independent Certified Public Accounting firm.


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                            The argument that a winner's identity needs to be revealed in order to verify there is a winner is completely invalid.

                             

                            This is what one lottery commission does for all their drawings.

                             

                            Q: How are replay winners selected?
                            A: Winners are randomly selected from all entries received for each drawing. Drawings are conducted according to established Lottery protocols under the observation of an independent Certified Public Accounting firm.

                            Nice point JWBlue, we deserve the right to choose.

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                              I'd rather risk going out in a concrete slab, then not to play at all.

                               

                              There's risk in everything you do. If you going to be a coward all throughout your life, play it safe all the time, more power to you.

                              If your fear your friends and relatives will kill you for your money, kill them first. Problem solved.   Chair

                              Hello mcginnin56,

                              It appears that you have been spending quite a bit of time, in some areas of the Old Testament from paragraph 3 of your above post viz:

                              "If your fear your friends and relatives will kill you for your money, kill them first. Problem solved."

                              LOL

                              Although the risk of  going out in a concrete slab is a harmless condition, because it is just that - a Risk and until it is upgraded into the reality that makes us all quiver, it remains a harmless consideration.

                              The acts of playing the lottery, if I may say so, are mostly harmless.

                              Having said all these, I do suspect, however that no one at the Lottery Post, friends or enemies would want to see you gone, not even those, that tend to, or practice frequent disagreements with you.

                              And so, I say that, it is my opinion, that, a fulfilled risk of going out in a concrete slab is a terminal act, that would also terminate all your rights to continuity, and further existence on planet earth, and it is not a prayer that is worth setting and advancing, as a preferred choice over, and above playing the lottery.