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NY brothers claim $5M win from '06 lottery ticket

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Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

This would make a good short story for a book!  I think the more likely answer is they brothers may have done some investigating into the Law and found the Statute of Limitiations for Theft in NY is probably 5-6 years.  So even if somehow there was any evidence of their wrongdoing no charges can be brought against them......

It could be argued that the theft didn't take place til they cashed the ticket........


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    Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:23 pm - IP Logged

    May they live happily ever after, without the interference of envious conspiracy theorists.  Cussing Face

    May they suffer the torture of a guilty conscience for an extended period of time  What?

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      Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

      The lottery investigated, found no wrong doing and awarded the prize. Case closed my friend.....

      Decisions can be reversed if new info comes to light.

      Just as the bird sings or the butterfly soars,

      because it is his natural characteristic,

      so the artist works.

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        Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:30 pm - IP Logged

        This would make a good short story for a book!  I think the more likely answer is they brothers may have done some investigating into the Law and found the Statute of Limitiations for Theft in NY is probably 5-6 years.  So even if somehow there was any evidence of their wrongdoing no charges can be brought against them......

        Ok Peter, you and Brian can write the book.

        Just as the bird sings or the butterfly soars,

        because it is his natural characteristic,

        so the artist works.

        by Alma  Gluck


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          Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:34 pm - IP Logged

          Decisions can be reversed if new info comes to light.

          That's true but overturning the states decision is like overturning the refs decision in a football game. 

          The evedence will need to be "conclusive"

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            Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

            But wait 6 years??? The wait time alone guarantees a lot of people will be raising questions. So maybe the winner was elderly/sick and died.  Just call me Nancy Drew.  Book One.."The Mystery of the  Six Year Old Lottery Ticket." I just need to pack my suitcase with 3 crisp linen dresses, call my football player boyfriend Ned and hop in my convertible and drive to the "winning" store to investigate.

            The Hardy boys will offer their assistance, as long as their buddy Chet is willing to help. LOL

            Did Chet play center on the same team as Ned ?

            my sisters went through all the books and could'nt dig that out.

            Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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              Posted: October 17, 2012, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

              The Hardy boys will offer their assistance, as long as their buddy Chet is willing to help. LOL

              Did Chet play center on the same team as Ned ?

              my sisters went through all the books and could'nt dig that out.

              ok lol  The more the merrier.   I don't remember a Chet in Nancy Drew.  Wasn't Chet one of the Hardy boys friends?  I know Nancy's friend "George" (A girl) had a boyfriend but I don't think it was Chet. I don't  think Chet was on the same team as Ned. But maybe there was some connection on both TV series in the late 1970's?

              Just as the bird sings or the butterfly soars,

              because it is his natural characteristic,

              so the artist works.

              by Alma  Gluck

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                Posted: October 17, 2012, 11:15 pm - IP Logged

                The lottery investigated, found no wrong doing and awarded the prize. Case closed my friend.....

                It is indeed a pity and highly regrettable, that you grant with much ease, exemption to a government agency, which has acted in a way that reflects defectiveness across a broad spectrum of expected expertise, in the exercise of duty in this matter.

                The mood in this posts regarding this matter verifies that the majority opinion of the posters is that, there is defectiveness in the actions of the lottery in the handling of the matter and is vastly un-surportive of your position.

                A tree cannot make a forest, and while a crowd can cook for one man/woman, one man/woman cannot cook for a crowd. Along these lines of thought, there is accuracy in my further representation that the concerted opinions and comments of the posters in this forum, goes against your rendition.

                The lottery like many state agencies are largely un-regulated bodies, and this quirk/loophole in state laws often allows them to do to its people, harmful and oppressive acts, and get away with it, until challenged, not administratively, but through the courts. On the other hand, a public for-profit corporation providing exactly the same comparable service to a state resident may not get away with it, if challenged at the administrative level by a body/commission/bureau which has fielded a complaint from a consumer.

                It is exactly because of the lenient attitude that persons like you, take towards government agencies that, these agencies feel immensely empowered by the silence of your likes, and interpret these silences as endorsements, that their ineptitudeness were valid public votes of confidence on actually totally non-existing  excellent performances.

                Perhaps, your comments were designed to be provocative for the sake of generating and advancing an argumentative dubious agenda

                I  believe that New York lottery players are not going to sleep on this and are going to go out into the streets, with pads, and gather affidavits and signatures and take the lottery directly to Court for actions that it took in making the payments, that could be potentially barred by the existence of fraud, which is proposed by the unconventional events regarding this matter.

                The Ashkars could have notified the lottery of the win 6 years ago, but they did not, if indeed they were the legitimate winners, just like the Michigan $337m Power-ball winner did, before going to Lansing to claim his prize.

                The Ashkars claim is deply supicious. Lets just say that they really do not now how to handle the win, then they could have at least claimed it 6 yeras ago, banked it and then waited till 2012 to make a decising on the 50/50 spliit now being suggested by the winner

                The lottery does not have the last word, or have the power to render the last word on investigation, and rendering an opinion that there is no wrong doing, and then closing the case. That power is enshrined by the law of this land to the Courts. they and they only can determine if the lottery's investigation was shoddy or not.

                I recommend that you pay a visit to your local library and check out a few books that will re-educate you on what you should already know, about how your governments and courts work, and then return to the post,  with style and advanced contents that continues the class-act that the lottery posters are all about.

                To a significant degree, the decisions of Syracuse to pay this money to the Ashkars is a broad-daylight betrayal of lottery players across America, and utter disrespect of their intelligence.


                Actions speaks louder than words and the comments of the other Posters on this post says it all.

                 

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                  Posted: October 17, 2012, 11:20 pm - IP Logged

                  Oh come on, they stole this ticket from a customer, that is clear as day. They waited this long because they are scared of prosecution, but they had no choice but to come forward as the deadline was approaching. This is the most obvious criminal act I have ever seen in my life. Who on God's earth would wait that long to cash a ticket of that amount? No one. 

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                    Posted: October 17, 2012, 11:47 pm - IP Logged

                    Oh come on, they stole this ticket from a customer, that is clear as day. They waited this long because they are scared of prosecution, but they had no choice but to come forward as the deadline was approaching. This is the most obvious criminal act I have ever seen in my life. Who on God's earth would wait that long to cash a ticket of that amount? No one. 

                    You know, the believability of these two brothers is really dead on arrival.

                    Their parents ran a run-dawn store in a ghetto, referred to politely, in the news report as a though neighborhood, and there was $5 million dollars to buy out their emancipation and salvation from the ghetto and still the brothers did nothing, and when they finally decided to do something, the priority was on splitting the money between the two brothers for supposedly, what the older one did for the younger one in life, a comments for the birds, naive. arrested, restricted and on-hold intelligences.

                    If I lived in New York, I will begin immediately to develop an action plan that aims to challenge the Lottery to responsibility, and compel the Ashkars to confess, through administrative and legal routes.

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                      Posted: October 17, 2012, 11:54 pm - IP Logged

                      Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.Maybe,just maybe these brothers are telling the truth and ARE entitled to the money.Nowhere in this story did it say that the brothers were rocket scientists.

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                        Posted: October 18, 2012, 12:36 am - IP Logged

                        Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.Maybe,just maybe these brothers are telling the truth and ARE entitled to the money.Nowhere in this story did it say that the brothers were rocket scientists.

                        The saying is traditional and an accepted culture on earth.

                         

                        Try and read the article, then read the comments and even long-time traditional enemies on this posts find themselves on common ground that the NY Lottery have failed players in the handling and proceesing of this 6 year old lottery prize by 2 sons of  a store owner who sold the winning ticket.

                        If the brothers had the truth, they would have had no reasons to have proudly claimed this money 6 years ago, bank it or whatever and then wait till 2012 when they think, that they now know what to do with it to speak up.

                        Their parents squalored in a run-down store in a dangerous ghetto for 6 years while $5m clear money sat around and went un-collected, and could have been used to free them, from the daily risks they faced to guns and robberies.

                        There is no periodic table equivalent that sets the rocket scientist at the high end of smarts and sets the brothers at the bottom end

                        The brothers have in effect concocted a tale and thrown it at people. A tale is a lie, and a lie is a statement issued by the liar that affirms that the listener lacks the intelligence to know any better.

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                          Posted: October 18, 2012, 4:43 am - IP Logged

                          This would make a good short story for a book!  I think the more likely answer is they brothers may have done some investigating into the Law and found the Statute of Limitiations for Theft in NY is probably 5-6 years.  So even if somehow there was any evidence of their wrongdoing no charges can be brought against them......

                          The statute of limitation for theft in NY is 5 years, but that's more or less irrelevant. If the ticket is stolen they're both guilty of possession of stolen property, which in this case is a felony that could get them up to 25 years, the same as for the original theft. Then there's the fraud they just committed by claiming the prize as their own.  Assuming the parents (or anyone else) know they didn't really buy the ticket they'd have the honor of being co-conspirators for the related conspiracy charges.

                          Of course the problem is in proving the ticket was stolen. I'd guess that NY considered that and went through a somewhat more thorough investigation than usual, but when somebody presents a legitimate ticket there's just so much they can do.

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                            So how much interest did they miss out on by waiting? Well at least you can get houses for way cheaper now than you could have gotten them in 2006.


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                              Posted: October 18, 2012, 7:13 am - IP Logged

                              It is indeed a pity and highly regrettable, that you grant with much ease, exemption to a government agency, which has acted in a way that reflects defectiveness across a broad spectrum of expected expertise, in the exercise of duty in this matter.

                              The mood in this posts regarding this matter verifies that the majority opinion of the posters is that, there is defectiveness in the actions of the lottery in the handling of the matter and is vastly un-surportive of your position.

                              A tree cannot make a forest, and while a crowd can cook for one man/woman, one man/woman cannot cook for a crowd. Along these lines of thought, there is accuracy in my further representation that the concerted opinions and comments of the posters in this forum, goes against your rendition.

                              The lottery like many state agencies are largely un-regulated bodies, and this quirk/loophole in state laws often allows them to do to its people, harmful and oppressive acts, and get away with it, until challenged, not administratively, but through the courts. On the other hand, a public for-profit corporation providing exactly the same comparable service to a state resident may not get away with it, if challenged at the administrative level by a body/commission/bureau which has fielded a complaint from a consumer.

                              It is exactly because of the lenient attitude that persons like you, take towards government agencies that, these agencies feel immensely empowered by the silence of your likes, and interpret these silences as endorsements, that their ineptitudeness were valid public votes of confidence on actually totally non-existing  excellent performances.

                              Perhaps, your comments were designed to be provocative for the sake of generating and advancing an argumentative dubious agenda

                              I  believe that New York lottery players are not going to sleep on this and are going to go out into the streets, with pads, and gather affidavits and signatures and take the lottery directly to Court for actions that it took in making the payments, that could be potentially barred by the existence of fraud, which is proposed by the unconventional events regarding this matter.

                              The Ashkars could have notified the lottery of the win 6 years ago, but they did not, if indeed they were the legitimate winners, just like the Michigan $337m Power-ball winner did, before going to Lansing to claim his prize.

                              The Ashkars claim is deply supicious. Lets just say that they really do not now how to handle the win, then they could have at least claimed it 6 yeras ago, banked it and then waited till 2012 to make a decising on the 50/50 spliit now being suggested by the winner

                              The lottery does not have the last word, or have the power to render the last word on investigation, and rendering an opinion that there is no wrong doing, and then closing the case. That power is enshrined by the law of this land to the Courts. they and they only can determine if the lottery's investigation was shoddy or not.

                              I recommend that you pay a visit to your local library and check out a few books that will re-educate you on what you should already know, about how your governments and courts work, and then return to the post,  with style and advanced contents that continues the class-act that the lottery posters are all about.

                              To a significant degree, the decisions of Syracuse to pay this money to the Ashkars is a broad-daylight betrayal of lottery players across America, and utter disrespect of their intelligence.


                              Actions speaks louder than words and the comments of the other Posters on this post says it all.

                              Sour Grapes.

                                 
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