How lottery winners spend their money

Dec 15, 2012, 12:41 am (90 comments)

After the Big Win

Lottery winners: What separates the ones who live happily ever after from the ones who, five years later, wind up drunk, broke, in jail or hounded by the IRS?

Stephen Danish knows. In fact, the Virginia Commonwealth University professor of psychology is such an expert on the subject that the Virginia Lottery has hired him to counsel winners. Asked how many winners he has helped, he puts the number is in the double digits.

He once told the Roanoke Times that he can tell how well (or badly) somebody will handle a lottery windfall when he hears them talk about their future: If they talk only about spending, he says, he knows they're in trouble; if, though, they talk about what they want to accomplish with the money, he knows they're going to be okay.

Winners who go on to lead successful lives, he says, are those who had well-defined goals, plans and ambitions long before they ever bought a ticket. They view money not as a plaything to be frittered away, but as a tool with which to gain some practical end. The more specific their ambition, the better.

Jay Vargas, according to the Tampa Tribune, was just 19 when he won a Powerball jackpot of over $35 million in 2008. At first, Vargas told the paper, he partied hardy. What saved him from a life of dissipation? Ambition. He knew what he liked: hot women and professional wrestling. Eventually he found a way to invest himself and his money in these two.

He founded Wrestlicious, a Tampa TV production company whose programming features gorgeous, sweaty women in small costumes grappling with one another. It went into syndication in 2010.

Asked by a Wrestlicious interviewer on the eve of his show's debut if he felt his money had been well spent, Vargas said: "I think it has. Time will tell of course. It certainly has been an awesome learning experience. Best case, we have a huge hit. Worst case, I have a tax write-off." The show did a premiere season but has since gone into hiatus.

Likewise, William Kiefer of Katy, Texas, knew what he liked: nuns.

In 2010, Kiefer, according to the Houston Chronicle, won what was then the largest prize in Texas Lottery history—$144 million. "The greatest gift my parents gave me," he announced in a statement, "was to be raised a Christian. I plan to give 60 percent of all [my] after-tax winnings to charity."

"We are proud to count Mr. Kiefer among our players," said Lottery Executive Director Gary Grief in response. "Many winners plan to give to charity, but I don't think we've ever seen generosity quite like this."

Among the causes Kiefer has supported is the care of retired Catholic nuns. Sister Deenan Hubbard of the Sisters of Charity of the Incarnate Word, speaking to the Houston Chronicle, described Kiefer as a really good man with a big heart. Kiefer, who has refused to grant interviews to any news organizations except the Texas Catholic Herald, said the other objects of his charity would include abused children and Haitian relief.

Professor Danish notes that no matter what kind of person you are—goal-focused or a sybaritic layabout-- winning the lottery can be tough: "You're bombarded by people asking, threatening, trying to do whatever they can to get money from you. To be able to say 'no' is difficult but important, because otherwise you'll find you have no money left."

It's not bad to give it all away, he clarifies. "That's fine. But that has to be your plan. You have to know how much you have, how much you want to give away, and how much you need to keep."

The holder of the winning ticket is not the only one fate favors when someone wins the lottery: The merchant who sold the ticket also cashes in.

In 2011, a supermarket customer on Long Island won $72 million from the New York State Lottery. The winning ticket was sold him at a ShopRite owned by Mannix Family Supermarkets. Kevin Mannix, owner of the company, says that he got $10,000 from lottery officials for having sold the winning ticket.

"Yes, I'm sitting in my office looking at an enlargement of the check right now," Mannix tells ABC. He donated part of his winnings, he says, to the Salvation Army, some to the Food Bank of New York, and some to Project Hospitality, which is providing relief for victims of Hurricane Sandy. "That was the appropriate thing to do," he says. After that, he had exactly $1 left over, which he used to play the lottery.

He didn't win.

Mannix's ShopRite has been lucky once before. Six years ago, a group of 10 bakery employees split a $19 million ticket. Nine of them, says Mannix, decided to keep working and are still on the job. None went wacky or became a drunk or wound up in jail. Some, he says, "bought their dream house." Others salted away the money, to be used later to pay for college for their grandkids. Some paid off mortgages. A few took trips. "They didn't spend foolishly," says their boss. "They're hardworking, blue collar people. It's a great story with a great ending."

There are sad stories as well. On Monday, DeeDee Moore, the Tampa woman accused of swindling and then killing lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare, was found guilty of first degree murder and other charges. Shakespeare had won $30 million in the Florida Lottery but gave it away to people who simply asked for it. His luck ran out when he met Moore.

"Abraham Shakespeare was your prey and victim. Money was the route of evil you brought to Abraham. You are sentenced to life in prison you shall not be elegible for parole," Judge Emmet Battles told Moore. You can read more about this story here.

Thanks to rdgrnr for the tip.

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Comments

Win$500Quick's avatarWin$500Quick

This is why I already have my "to-do" list. Winners who blow their money are the ones who did not have a plan before or after they won.

Toronto

How is Wrestlicious an example of ambitions (rather than spending) leading decision-making after a winfall being more successful? 1) The outcome isn't even certain yet, 2) That's the dumbest idea and probably why the thing is on hiatus

ImDaBakerLady

Well good for the ones who do something positive with it and sad for the ones who destroy their lives. Everyone who has bought Tickets has always had the thought of what they would do and spend it on. Some i guess get caught up in the excitement and go wild with it. For me, im more logical with what i would do. i had several thoughts on if i won. Many positive and many Negative.

 My husband of course has made some pretty wild ideas that of course i laugh and say NO!  He said we can build a waterslide in the house lmao... Im more down to earth with thinking in the long run of making every penny count. To plan our future and our Daughters Future.. Also had to explain to him, the negative point of winning. Friends would change, family will change. The lotto can be such a burden and a blessing.

So for the Winners , i Hope more make good of it...

Also anyone know? For Mega Million/Powerball has their ever been a Winner in Oregon... See alot of California's and Eastern state Winners...

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by ImDaBakerLady on Dec 15, 2012

Well good for the ones who do something positive with it and sad for the ones who destroy their lives. Everyone who has bought Tickets has always had the thought of what they would do and spend it on. Some i guess get caught up in the excitement and go wild with it. For me, im more logical with what i would do. i had several thoughts on if i won. Many positive and many Negative.

 My husband of course has made some pretty wild ideas that of course i laugh and say NO!  He said we can build a waterslide in the house lmao... Im more down to earth with thinking in the long run of making every penny count. To plan our future and our Daughters Future.. Also had to explain to him, the negative point of winning. Friends would change, family will change. The lotto can be such a burden and a blessing.

So for the Winners , i Hope more make good of it...

Also anyone know? For Mega Million/Powerball has their ever been a Winner in Oregon... See alot of California's and Eastern state Winners...

waterslide sounds like Fun Smiley

DC81's avatarDC81

Quote: Originally posted by Toronto on Dec 15, 2012

How is Wrestlicious an example of ambitions (rather than spending) leading decision-making after a winfall being more successful? 1) The outcome isn't even certain yet, 2) That's the dumbest idea and probably why the thing is on hiatus

Tax write off. I doubt he lost much (maybe even did profit) on it unless his partners ripped him off, that sort of thing doesn't require much in way of a budget. That said, it may be on "hiatus" but this is one of those cases where "hiatus" means dead.

Wasn't a good investment but he kind of did what he wanted though I'm sure the other guys had his ear the whole way but in the end it wasn't something that ate a significant chunk of his winnings..

s5thomps's avatars5thomps

If I am ever fortunate enough to win the lottery I would follow the 2 rules of investing by Warren Buffet.

                                                   Rule# 1 Never lose money

                                   Rule# 2 Never forget Rule #1

                                         Sun Smiley

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

say you had $10 mill in investment income  and owed $1 mill a year in taxes.

 year 1, $1 mill loss on  investment 1

year 2 $1 mill loss on in investment 2

 year 3 $1 mill loss on investment 3

 

and they where all hobbies you had a dream of  operating?  you still had 9 mll of income, and just happened to blow the taxes on failed investments?/ hobbies?

 

Still the thing about having definite plans stands. people with plans do better than people with no plans. cuz if you dont plan your life someone else will.

 

"Best case, we have a huge hit. Worst case, I have a tax write-off."

was the quote i recall.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

"...the ones who, five years later, wind up drunk, broke, in jail or hounded by the IRS?"

Well, at least I don't have to worry about that.

I'm already a drunk!  Hyper Stretch 

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

He was on Lottery Changed My Life, he has since moved back in with his parents seems like he has learned from the Wrestlicious debacle. Anyway he seems like a bright kid.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 15, 2012

"...the ones who, five years later, wind up drunk, broke, in jail or hounded by the IRS?"

Well, at least I don't have to worry about that.

I'm already a drunk!  Hyper Stretch 

Cheers

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Steven Danish's opinion is just that...an opinion.Everyone seems to have an opinion on how lottery winners should spend their money.Why should Steven Danish be any different?

Jaxxx

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Dec 15, 2012

"...the ones who, five years later, wind up drunk, broke, in jail or hounded by the IRS?"

Well, at least I don't have to worry about that.

I'm already a drunk!  Hyper Stretch 

ROFL....They say timing is everthing.....well you definitely got great timing!!!

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by dallascowboyfan on Dec 15, 2012

Cheers

       Cheers

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Toronto on Dec 15, 2012

How is Wrestlicious an example of ambitions (rather than spending) leading decision-making after a winfall being more successful? 1) The outcome isn't even certain yet, 2) That's the dumbest idea and probably why the thing is on hiatus

I have seen worse ideas take off and make a ton of money.  Look at Jersey Shore Show, etc. Better to try if you have a creative idea than not at all.

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Quote: Originally posted by ImDaBakerLady on Dec 15, 2012

Well good for the ones who do something positive with it and sad for the ones who destroy their lives. Everyone who has bought Tickets has always had the thought of what they would do and spend it on. Some i guess get caught up in the excitement and go wild with it. For me, im more logical with what i would do. i had several thoughts on if i won. Many positive and many Negative.

 My husband of course has made some pretty wild ideas that of course i laugh and say NO!  He said we can build a waterslide in the house lmao... Im more down to earth with thinking in the long run of making every penny count. To plan our future and our Daughters Future.. Also had to explain to him, the negative point of winning. Friends would change, family will change. The lotto can be such a burden and a blessing.

So for the Winners , i Hope more make good of it...

Also anyone know? For Mega Million/Powerball has their ever been a Winner in Oregon... See alot of California's and Eastern state Winners...

Yes,there have been Powerball winners in Oregon.I'm not  sure about MegaMillions,though.

Welcome to Lottery Post!

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Dec 15, 2012

I have seen worse ideas take off and make a ton of money.  Look at Jersey Shore Show, etc. Better to try if you have a creative idea than not at all.

Yeah.... Who ever thought "Snooki" would be a good idea.........What?

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Cletu$2 on Dec 15, 2012

Steven Danish's opinion is just that...an opinion.Everyone seems to have an opinion on how lottery winners should spend their money.Why should Steven Danish be any different?

"I plan to give 60 percent of all [my] after-tax winnings to charity. "We are proud to count Mr. Kiefer among our players," said Lottery Executive Director Gary Grief in response"

It depends on what "others" believe should be the winner's priorities because whether they give 60% of their winnings to charity or blow it, they still only have 40% left. Some will even find fault with which charities that winner donated to. There are players that believe because they bought a ticket, they have a vested interest in how the winnings are spent.

It's still "a dollar for a dream" and there are just as many dreams as there are opinions of how the winnings should be spent.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Dec 15, 2012

I have seen worse ideas take off and make a ton of money.  Look at Jersey Shore Show, etc. Better to try if you have a creative idea than not at all.

Or who ever thought illiterate white people living in a trailer would be popular.........What?

bigguy5's avatarbigguy5

Quote: Originally posted by Win$500Quick on Dec 15, 2012

This is why I already have my "to-do" list. Winners who blow their money are the ones who did not have a plan before or after they won.

amen,   you smart.    have  a plan,  so  many  player  don,t.    iamu  with  you

noise-gate

At the end of the day- its not what you make, it's what you keep.
Those who end bankrupt after having won the lotto have only themselves to blame.
If l ever get such a windfall- l am telling no-one, not my friends, the neighbors, the kids & especially extended family.
I will pick my own charities. I have my plan in place and it has no room for Vultures..

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Dec 15, 2012

At the end of the day- its not what you make, it's what you keep.
Those who end bankrupt after having won the lotto have only themselves to blame.
If l ever get such a windfall- l am telling no-one, not my friends, the neighbors, the kids & especially extended family.
I will pick my own charities. I have my plan in place and it has no room for Vultures..

At "the end of the day" its NOT what you kept........... Its what you enjoyed spending that counts......

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by bigguy5 on Dec 15, 2012

amen,   you smart.    have  a plan,  so  many  player  don,t.    iamu  with  you

Im going to waste my time, AND blow my money..........

noise-gate

" keep" as in : l will spend this the way l want with no external input from Vultures..

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Dec 15, 2012

Im going to waste my time, AND blow my money..........

Why not piss it away?It's not like you spent a lifetime workin' for it,right?

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by noise-gate on Dec 15, 2012

" keep" as in : l will spend this the way l want with no external input from Vultures..

Ok, I just don't understand misers who hoard cash in such a way as to die rich while living broke.....

noise-gate

No hoarding for this boy..l cannot help thinking about that lotto winner from Florida who in trying to be generous ends up under a concrete slab.
" loose lips sink ships"...going in national tv and telling folk about your sudden fortune is B.S, a recipe for disaster.
As someone pointed out here  a few days ago- siblings seem to think that the lotto winnings should be divided equally amongst. family is nonsense.
Absolutely no hoarding...period.Let the Dollar circulate.

Ronnie316

I think I will avoid anyone who wants to write a book about me, or looks like they need an exorcism...

cbr$'s avatarcbr$

US FlagProfessor Stephen Danish counseling winners, is a good idea. 85% of the winner really want the windfall , but they're not prepare for it. They haven't set any goals, about what is next,

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by cbr$ on Dec 15, 2012

US FlagProfessor Stephen Danish counseling winners, is a good idea. 85% of the winner really want the windfall , but they're not prepare for it. They haven't set any goals, about what is next,

Another destroyed life is part of the fun of how the lottery works. Real nice wake up call for the rest of us.

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