Don't these people have anything BETTER to do with their time? 

Don't they realize the welfare has become a socially acceptable lifestyle choice?

You'll have to hide the Cadillac around the corner now. Give it a week until they realize their sales are off 90%.

Yeah, and no more buying groceries at the convenience story. What a hassle.

I read about this one yesterday.  This is a horrible, HORRIBLE idea for North Carolina.  I'm completely dumbfounded that people actually approve of this.  This will be bad for North Carolina for a multitude of reasons:

1. North Carolina welfare recipients will simply travel to South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee to play.  If they win in one of those places, there is nothing stopping those commissions to giving them the money they rightfully won.

2. Imagine the lawsuits that North Carolina would get if someone won the big one but their ticket is invalid because they're on welfare.

3. This is just downright discrimination.  In no way that those that don't have it as good shouldn't be barred from playing the lottery.  They have dreams just like 98% of America does - being rich.

4. South Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee will be completely ecstatic to see extra dollars coming their way.  Remember, part of the lottery proceeds is to fund education.  Money will be coming out of North Carolina's fund and into those three states' funds.

5. If someone wins in those states, the tax money goes to THEM and not North Carolina.  You lose, North Carolina.

I just hope the bill does not pass for North Carolina's sake.

 Too bad the poor are not a "protected class" like the Mexicans are.

This will be a very big joke for America. first and foremost what makes any one think they can also stop their crack head girlfriends not on welfare from buying the ticket for them. And secondly by banning them from playing the govement is taking away an easy way to get their a.. off welfare and actually have them pay back taxes. Hello is anyone thinking here lol

i just wanted foodstamps to get kfc and long john silver's. can't afford to eat out but now they take foodstamps. yum, sigh.

Last time I checked they only take EBT cash credits, not EBT food credits. Too bad though. Perhaps if they served it cold?

Lmao, this is so hilarious.  I guess the dream of winning the lottery and getting out if the projects will continue to be a dream?

I need to rephrase one of my sentences above, just realized the mistake: In no way should those that don't have it as good be barred from playing the lottery.

I understood what you meant

Right, they would never consider banning the criminally insane. Why would they ban the poor?

"Why would they ban the poor?"

I seen where a government agency declared someone mentaly incompetent to take care of their own financial affairs when they were asked if they played the lottery.  The person replied he played like maybe 5 or ten dollars every 2 weeks on the lottery. The goernment agency declared him having a gambling problem and his financial affairs received from that agency was put into the hands of a guardian.

The government will do what they want when they want.

The goverment and the state are the big beneficiaries in a lottery win so why should they be asking silly questions. And beside USA is suppose to be the number one land of the free but it seems like every second that freedom is taking away slowly like a woodpecker in the forest.

Simply put: It cannot be enforced. What is stopping someone from telling a person entering the store to pick up some tickets for them, is the law going to arrest these individuals?- Cannot be done.

In New Jersey, welfare recipients who win the lottery have to pay back TANF and Section 8 funds and any overpayments from other social welfare programs that were awarded to them... On another note, how are vendors going to "[know] the person was on welfare or in bankruptcy?"

That's horrible!!!

another stupid idea from our North Carolina lawmakers.

It reminds me of the old question................

How much wood would a Woodchuck chuck, if a Woodchuck could chuck wood? And the guy who catches Woodchucks chucking wood on his property and keeps hollering, "You Woodchucks STOP chucking that wood" 

The government is "chucking wood"

Laid off Oregon man wins $1 million.  9:21 am -  An Oregon man who has been out of work since May won $1 million playing the Oregon Lottery. Need I say More LMAO ,Poor people have dreams to.

With so many people laid off work now, the odds of one of them winning want way up.

Seriously.... Isn't it about a 50/50 chance?

Hi, I agree to let them pass that law,when there is a LAW passed,saying ALL POLITICIANS are banned from all Lottery purchases in ALL STATES until the State Budget is BALANCED.Seems All POLITICIANS have no problem running cities/states/towns into debt,then going to taxpayers to bail them out seems to me like WELFARE for POLITICIANS.

You should feel free to give them as much money as you want to, so that they can spend it on the lottery or anything else they desire.

How foolish is this. N.C. is dictating where, when, and how a person spends their money. this is crazy.

The system is broken. A girl I worked with actually confessed her wish to be layed off so she could collect. We also have sleazy doctors who will sign bogus disability forms that allow young men n women to collect foever. Obesity is a disability nowadays o_O. Meanwhile the Chinese are putting it in an average of 12 hours daily on their jobs. Its only a matter of time before they claim a portion of Idaho as its been rumoured.

If this proposal passes and becomes law in NC it  faces being struck down for Federal Constitutional reasons.

Well the chinese and the us government have become so tangled up in finance and commodities that no one is seeing this coming. Its like a marriage where divorce is going to be too expensive so what will happen in future is that the law makers will pass a law to make china another us state just like gays after being stubbornly gay for a long time got their right to marry what is next and too schwarzenegger was once governor of california and he is back in making movies now like he said "l Will Be Back" it seems like our reality is becoming a fantasy movie i need to get back in my ice cube hopefully in 100 yrs their will be less retards lol

I think lottery clerks should be legally allowed to smack food stamp schmucks upside the head when they try to play the lottery.

No, they're not telling them how they can spend their money.

They're telling them how they can spend the taxpayers' money.

And rightfully so.

I can't see how this is enforceable, since there's no way to tell if someone is on welfare or not unless they admit to it. I think it's just an elected official trying to score points with his constituents, regardless of if what he is going to do will be effective or make a difference.

Back in the 90s, I worked in a welfare office interviewing people trying to get benefits and I could tell some stories. Another law I remember being passed was we had to collect information on the absent parent(s) of the children in the household, and the state would go after them for child support to pay back welfare. That was a very popular law I'm sure but in reality, it made little difference. The office that handled this rarely ever had a problem finding absent parents, but many of them were either not working or working low wage jobs, on disability, or in jail. Because of all of the things mentioned, the state either couldn't collect anything or if they did, it was usually a low amount of money. I used to see child support orders for $10/week, or in one case, I saw $35/month. Usually they got a drop in the bucket if anything. 

I consider this proposal to something similar, it will be popular with voters, but will make no difference.

Has this state given it much thought that people on welfare & foodstamps are hoping to hit it big time so that they can sever the cord that gives them these benefits, in other words, we want off welfare.  They want to uplift themselves by taking a shot at the lottery.  Who is the state to say " if you on foodstamps  you not allowed to dream big,  that privlege belongs others, others who are not on welfare!"

You're allowed to dream as big as you want but not with money we give you for food.

If you receive too much, give it back, it's for food, not gambling.

If you really want to dream big, get a job and dream big with your own money, not ours.

Rep=Paul Skip Stam R-For Wake"To me u and the reps have enough problems u make to much money now for doing nothing.it seems as if u don't have anything to do.but u do have time to worry about the lottery.well for me and my thoughs u should worry about u and your family.these people have just as much rights to play lotto as your and your rich a__s do.they may get lucky and hit so they can get off welfare and live a happy stupid life like you do.you do what u do best just sit on your butt and keep getting fat.oh u have a lot to learn about welfare floks they do like your cheap food stamps.

this will never happen.  Not even in a milion years...the state that give  money to yhe people in meed of welfare. Those same exact people. Well at least som will  turn around and gives it right back to the state. By playing. lottery      do u think this law will actually pass......   I think not...   To much money will be at stake. It will never happen.

Si.  But they will simply take the money that they have (let's just put it that way) and put it in South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee's lottery fund, thus screwing over North Carolina.  The lottery's purpose is to fund education.  North Carolina will be livid if South Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee is getting North Carolina's residents' money so they can either be entertained, chase a 1 in 176 million dream, or both.

After reading the post, I said this is the most assinine thought process by any poitician that I've read about in four years.

Are they living on another planet. I would think it's big time discrimination. Just because the state administers welfare to recipients doesn't

mean that it owns them.

Even if there is something done towards this action, The poiliticians need to go out and police their own cluster instead of having the clerk be responsible for it, when the politicians weren't to begin with..

Whatever these politicians are being paid, it's way to much and they need to giveback or otherwise get a life....!

Brought to you by the same people that want to put rape victims in jail..

I would hope so, in the case of when one is granted a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy!!!  In this case, the citizen's submitted/listed debts are discharged -- not 1 penny was spent by the government to pay back any creditors OR to give the bankruptcy recipient any future living money, housing money, medical/dental aid, employment aid, or food stamps -- the bankruptcy recipient paid for their bankruptcy status request to be CONSIDERED by the multiple county judicial employees though!

NC is gone crazy, just like they bann sweepstakes and things..why in the hell do NC think they can tell somebody how to spend their money. this is crazy to even think about it

Once anybody get a check or cash in they name no matter how they got it, its their money. If i work all week or get a ssi check, aint no way in hell it still the boss or the government money once its giving to me.

to the poster who mentioned discrimination. Your right!

To the poster who mentioned that welfare folks not use there welfare money for gaming....beats using it to buy moonshine from the folks... Technically its plausible and conceivable for a person on welfare to have "cash". A person is allowed to make meager income and still receive reciprical funds thru the state to make ends meet. 

Maybe they are selling aluminum cans and getting money that way. Our babysitting a child on weekends. We cannot "assume" they are entirely without small ways of making ends meet.

As to govt telling a "citizen" its not okay for you if we "fund" your home, then we need to tell the politicians its NOT okay to fund their houses, their personal vacations, their staff treats...ad nausem :) Bottom line is, if a foreigner can stop thru in america, buy a ticket and claim a win, then we have no right to tell a natural citizen that there rights are less...fair is fair.

after reading alot of these responses to,its a shame that all these people choose to judge and look down on people thats a lil less fortunate. same reason why America is in the jam its in. We all can judge the next person but wont throw them a bone to help make things better, everybody that gets money from the government is not doing it cause they want to im sure...sad world we living in

You assuming Ridge that these people are using money that they received " from the State" to play the game. That cannot be true in all cases. What if these folk decided to stand at street corners or outside a local store and panhandle a few extra bucks to play the lottery? One could hardly be suggesting that EVERY dollar in a welfare's pocket is from the State.Dreaming is Free- it is & can be done without State money. l have read of people wanting to buy alcohol with food stamps and some have gotten away with in the past, but not anymore and rightly so.

 There is no definitive way of knowing for certain whether the money these welfare recipients would be using is welfare crown.. no way, unless they using stamps to buy food and say " give me lottery tickets with the change".

1. North Carolina welfare recipients will simply travel to South Carolina, Virginia, or Tennessee to play.  If they win in one of those places, there is nothing stopping those commissions to giving them the money they rightfully won.

3. This is just downright discrimination.  In no way that those that don't have it as good shouldn't be barred from playing the lottery.  They have dreams just like 98% of America does - being rich.

I think that should this proposal become law, it is going all the way up to The Supreme Court. People on welfare that play lotto are trying to get off welfare.

I didn't say it was the government's money. The government doesn't have any money. Any money they get they have to take away from somebody first. It's the taxpayers money (mine and yours). 

All I'm sayin' is if somebody asks me for money for food I'll give it to 'em. But if I then I see them buying lottery tickets with it, I'm gonna be pissed and I'm not going to give it to them anymore. It's all about respect. But in this case, the government just takes it away from me and you and gives it to whoever says they need it for food and there ain't no accounting for it and nothin' we can do about it.

I believe in having a safety net for people who need help and I like to help out my fellow man and I do so with large charities and personally on a local basis too. But I don't like gettin' chumped. Somebody only gets to chump me one time and never again. But the government takes my money and gets chumped with it on a regular basis.

Now if we're just talkin' a couple bucks here and there and the kids are well fed, it's no big deal. But if there's hungry kids at home, it is.

Good point, noise-gate.

Noted.

I got no problem with that at all.

It be hard to enforce, a law like many, is a joke to pass, why not help people, than pass laws like this.

I just visited North Carolina and was astounded when the lottery kiosk asked for a North Carolina driver's license to purchase a scratch ticket.  Do they want to sell tickets or not?

As for welfare recipients and bankruptcy litigants, winning the lottery could change their fate.  Also members of either class can get somone else to purchase the tickets or buy them from another venue.  They can also say if they won that the ticket was a gift.

I understand what the propenents are trying to accomplish but it is not logical must be those inbreeding genes!

I think they should have a ban on all politicians from playing the lottery.  They are the ones that can't handle money.  Especially when it comes from someone else; like citizens that pay taxes.  I think the taxpayers ought to vote Mr. Rep. Paul "Skip" Stam out of office.  Take away his gravy train & let him do some honest work like everyone else.  He reminds me of reporters who confront people who have just loss a love one in accident & asked the stupid question - How do you feel ????  He's the type of person that has no concept of what is going on in the world.  I think "Skip" ought to do just that " Skip Town & Don't Look Back."  We have enough idiots in politics, and one less wouldn't hurt........................................  God, I love Sunday mornings....................

How does Rep Paul Stam vote?????

Makes you want to think who he is looking out for!!!! Dah.

What I really would like to know is where he gets his information.  For instance, I could find out how many people are on welfare. But, I can't tell you how many of them play the Lottery.  I could find out how many people are in bankruptcy.  But, I can't tell you how many of them play the Lottery.  So, Mr Paul Stam - where do you get your information.   It seems you vote Nay for things that will be an improvement & are against the people who are down & out.  I think you got a problem with people who need help.  So get off your High Horse.

P.S.  If I lived in N.C. - you would not get my VOTE...........  Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think there is bigger waste of taxpayers money made and being spent by the pollies and public service.  how ever much  welfare is spent on lotto, it is dwarfed by the  amount misspent by GOV in jut 1 day,  than a whole years worth of welfare recipients.

stop harrassing the little guys, and go after the big spenders.

Here is a scenario for you - I live in N.C..  I am on Welfare.  I am in Bankruptcy.  I have my brother/sister buy my Lotto Tickets for me.  If I win, my brother/sister (who are not on welfare or in bankruptcy) will cash the ticket.  We will split the prize as part of a gift to me.  Now what are you going to do, try to go after my borther/sister & try to prove they bought the ticket for me.  Good Luck on that one.  Or, I if I don't have a brother/sister that I can trust. I'll just buy my ticket in a neighboring State.  And if I did win, I would move to that State as I would have to pay their State Tax - Ta Da - Problem solved.

My question to you is:  What good is your Law?

Doesn't solve anything & is a waste of taxpayers' money.

P.S. Here's your Card.................................................

Butch, you should call your politicians and say "HELLO"!

Sounds like you got some inbreeding genes if you showed your DL just to get a lottery ticket

ok, I can agree with you there, i say the same things about wine o's i see in front of the store asking for change,no way u gone tell me u hungry and need a lil change then go in the store to buy wine with my money when i dont even buy wine for myself. so i understand what you mean now

I would tell them(and anyone else in office) that when they start allowing people on welfare that 1)-allow them to buy things like toilet paper and soap,besides food,And,It is no ones buisness how they got the money(heck,how do they know it was not given to them,also,if they won,GOOD.Then they could get off welfare,they win a $million + amount,they do NOT deserve to be on welfare anymore.Otherwise,bug off. This moron politition is just(and anyone that agrees with the jerk) jealous.

This politician may be a moron, but he's still smarter than you and plenty of other people who are opposed to the bill. It's realy simple. If you have money to play th elottery then you don't need help from the rest of us to buy food or pay your rent. If you ask us to help then you're telling us you don't have enough money to do it on your own. If you want our money we've got every right to tell you what you can spend it on. If you really need help you shoul dget it, but if you're a liar or a thief you deserve nothing.

You and anyone else suggesting that people on welfare should be able to play because they might win and get off of welfare are especialy moronic. For somebody to win $1 requires that players spend $2. How stupid do you have to be to not undrstand that?

That's a bit less likely than you winning PB or MM with one ticket.

RN:

witch yo me bro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

and my 69,000,000 fan'$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>>of PSYKO who wi$h me ah JackPot in "213" $$$$

Why don't these carolinean's WAIT 4D New York  BloomButt decision????????????

When D civil rights & no boader organizations eat BloonButt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^!

don't take my movie "butter" popcorn "AWAY"!

SC checks to see if winner received any state/public  assistance (welfare, food stamps) or has outstanding student loans and takes the money from the winnings before the winner is paid.  NC could do the same thing.

So does Idaho, and I'm pretty sure all other states do too.  What NC is trying to do is to get extremely low income people to stop wasting the money they do have on lottery.  The odds of winning or even breaking even are so bad, I have to agree that it's a waste of money.

Let's look at the Bankruptcy in this proposed law.  Are you going to tell me the Board of Directors @ GM would not be aloud to buy Lotto Tickets.  Give me a BREAK.  It will never fly.  In fact, the State didn't bail them out, it was the Federal Government.  And to my knowledge, the assistance from the US Government was paid back in full with interest.

Besides that, if an individual files for Chp 13 for Reorganization.  Neither the state nor the Federal governments gives them any money in the process.  The individual has to pay back what is owing based on a payment plan to be determine & approved by the U S Bankruptcy Courts.  The State has nothing to say about it as it is all handle thru U S Bankruptcy Courts.  I guarantee there will be Law Suits filed if they try & I am sure the State will come up with the short end of the Stick.

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Posted Jun 1st 2009 9:26AM

The die is cast: General Motors has filed for bankruptcy. As expected, the automotive giant filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection this morning in a New York court, listing $82 billion in assets and $172 billion in debts.

As we told you earlier, the century-old company will gain extensive assistance from the U.S. government, the former chipping in $30 billion in financing (GM has already received over $19 billion), that latter of which is expected to work extensively with the automaker as it goes through bankruptcy proceedings that will see the company's assets split into "Good GM" and "Bad GM," the latter of which will be liquidated.

According to the Detroit Free Press, the Obama administration has said that it will manage its holdings in GM (the government gets a 60% stake) in a "hands-off" non-interference fashion, with no White House employees serving on the board or being employed by the automaker. However, Capitol Hill will get the chance to influence company proceedings, as it will vote on core issues of governance that include "selecting the company's board of directors and major corporate transactions." While that may not equate to day-to-day management decisions, the government will certainly have the ability to influence company plans through appointments and such decision-making processes.

HOLK:

PSYKO commend's all D states who check>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

................................................who RECHECK>>>>>>>>>???????????????????????????????????????????

but, "NC s trying to do is get EXTREMELY LOW INCOME people to STOP wasting money they do have/lottery"?

HOLK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOW INCOME people KNOW MORE bout manage'n dar MONEY

than "YOU">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HIGH INCOME people will NEVER>>EVER>>>>>know MONEY!

And what about Bingo Halls in Wake County - Rep Paul Stam

Will you also try to stop these people from playing bingo in your District.  They might not like it.  How many of these people voted for you?????

How many of them are low income????

Why don't you visit thses locations & tell them your ideas in person.

Bingo is gambling.

Bingo Halls in Wake (North Carolina)

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"If you have money to play th elottery then you don't need help from the rest of us to buy food or pay your rent."

You can substitute the words, cigarettes, alcohol, cases of pop, bags of potato chips, etc. and most will agree with you. However, the legislation isn't just about what people on welfare buy, but "the vendor selling the lottery ticket would be penalized if they knew the person was on welfare or in bankruptcy."

I've seen people pay for groceries using EBT cards that drive off in a newer model SUV and people paying cash drive off in beaters. The article doesn't say what the penalty will be, but to be on the safe side, many stores will stop selling lottery tickets. How can any clerk possibly know which of their lottery players are on welfare unless they use an EBT card?

Will all the people in bankruptcy get a Scarlett "B" tattooed on their forehead?

Roger that on the winos too, raursby.

First they'll ban Welfare then Unemployment recipients and then the following headlines will be a thing of the past.

Laid off Oregon man wins $1 million

Homeless man wins $20 million

Man on last unemployment check wins $260 million

Woman with last dollar buys MM ticket wins $60 million

Jobless waitress 20 year old wins $11 million

Out of work husband wins $50 million

These headlines and more will become a thing of the past thus creating less hope in America and more suicide per year.

The lottery is for everyone,  one and all,  no one excluded. Its sort of like God where everyone is welcome and no one is excluded.

Thats what makes the lottery dream so thrilling and keeps it alive. Its part of the American dream.

In otherwords they want to take away peoples dreams and hope.

Instead of baning anyone simply because they lost their job due to whatever reason offer more help for addicted gamblers.

But...Don't Change America. Its the country where anything is possible where even a homeless man or out of work husband can win the lottery!

 This country was built partially off the lottery. Imagine during the depression time. Imagine an out of work husband and his family then and he buys a lottery ticket and wins the jackpot. The lottery is as much a part of America as Homeless people and out of work people.

Imagine a poor man who walks into the casino and plays his last dollar on the "Win the Jackpot for a dollar" and he wins and they say "O I'm sorry we dont have to pay YOU because your out of work or poor.

What the hell are they thinkin????????????????????????????????

A ban..HOGWASH!!! Who came up with that disciminating idea?????!!!!!!

Only idiot's have nothing but time on their hands. With the amount of money lawmakers get why are they idiots. Oh that's why they don't want people on food stamps to play the lottery  they are scared of having to many dummies in America.LOL

Your post makes you sound like a moron your own self KY. If you want to start monitoring the activities of welfare recipients you should start by making sure they don't drink any alcoholic beverages or smoke anything and then move on to removing the more wholesome things like lottery tickets and movie butter popcorn.

I think a "666" would cover all the bases........

I think that the only thing this thread solved is the mystery about who is on welfare and doesn't mind riding the gravy train and those who work/worked for a living.

I think it's pretty evident that we may have to bring back public flogging in the town square until we get this straightened out. 

There's just too much controversy.

Flogging always seems to calm people down so they can keep things in perspective.

 Perhaps a "banned items" ID card would help sort thing out too.

Of course you realize my odds with one tickets are BETTER than having NO tickets??

eNd tHe bAn oN D mOviE bUtteR pOpCoRn.,.,.,

 Im an idiot with way too much time on my hands.....

 Give D low incomE prople a chancE.,.,.,.,.,.,

We have rights too, you know.,.,.,.,.,.,.

I was thinking the same thing.I'm glad that you admit it.

Your not the first, and I'm quite sure you wont be the last.

I'm POSITIVE that I won't be the last!

No worry. I view "idiot" as a kind and gentle term people use when they are trying to be nice to me.

So, thank you.

Well, butch2030, as of this article, and some of the past "Nay" votings that you included above, I'd surmise that this 'Congressor' votes on behalf of lenders and banksters [don't let a low credit score be enough punishment, stop short sale house sale incentives, mainly decline Freddie Mac HAFA short sales requests yet don't tell homeowner reason/real reason why(it's not okay for Freddie Mac to indicate purchase offer is $29K too low if the interior of the house shows it was very reasonable offer, etc.].

Cheers!

Yep, and accepting the bate to enter wars that rather than spending big off income tax payers for 2 years, require spending big for over 11 years, thus bankrupting our country a few years ago; just as the foreign wealthy instigators probably planned!

This reads fair, zephbe, as long as the lottery headquarters only checks and withdraws these monies for an individual who wins over $250K gross.  If yes, welfare programs and food stamps are instantly ceased, yet individual not required to pay back government for monies received and probably already spent when they had lower income before the lottery's claim form was submitted.