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Statisticians search for how to beat the lottery

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You've probably heard the saying: Liars figure, but figures don't lie. Well, it's probably true — the chances of winning a Powerball jackpot is more than 1 in 175-million.  Still, there's always somebody that "thinks" they can beat the system.

Whether it's your wedding anniversary, your birthday, your child's birthday, or the date of another event that's important to you, people typically pick random numbers — as any state lottery official will tell you, every number drawn is completely random.

And while that maybe true, Virginia Commonwealth University (VCU) Statistical Sciences professor — and self professed math geek — Darcy Mays believes, with a database of enough winning numbers, there is at least the "possibility" of seeing patterns develop.  That by no means will guarantee a win, but might up the odds a little, especially in the smaller games — like Pick 3 or Pick 4.

"If you were dedicated, and there really was some pattern that you were finding, you could not get rich — but you could probably do a good supplemental earning."

"I just combine all these frequency — and I just make a list from the most frequent numbers to the least frequent numbers," said Dr. Min Su Kim.

Dr. Kim, professor of statistics at Southern University in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, doesn't mess with the small games — he's compiled a computer data base of 10 years of winning Powerball numbers and the frequency at which they appear.  If the game is completely random, he argues, all numbers should be drawn at approximately the same rate — but they don't.

The Powerball consists of five white balls and one red powerball.  Dr. Kim says the most frequently drawn Powerball for the past 10 years is 20, followed by 37, 2, 31, and 35.

As for the white balls, the most frequently appearing number is 42, closely followed by 16, 35, 26, and 19.

Dr. Kim admits he is a believer in statistical probability.

"If you pick these numbers, there is more probability to win the grand prize," said Kim.

Not so fast, says John Hagerty, with the Virginia Lottery.

"Every number drawn is completely random," said Hagerty. "As for your odds of winning, they're posted on our website."

Thanks to Coin Toss for the tip.

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Posted: February 20, 2013, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

I saw this the other day.  But I am a believer in patterns developing.  You just have to jump on it when the best one does.

The lottery is NOT a tax on the poor.  By calling it a tax, you are calling it mandatory, which is what taxes are.  But the lottery is NOT mandatory, therefore calling it a tax highly inaccurate.

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    Posted: February 20, 2013, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

    Sounds like those in the news story looking for patterns need to come visit Lottery Post and see what players have been working on for quite some time.

    Maybe ask questions. Our jackpot strategist will fill them in on a lot of info.

    The person with the jackpot stats mentioned should have visited USA MEGA and found his frequency stats.Big Grin

    Stats hunting: Type

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      Posted: February 20, 2013, 9:56 pm - IP Logged

      Like your avatar...."find a penny pick it up and all day long you'll have good luck."

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        Posted: February 20, 2013, 10:40 pm - IP Logged

        He completely misses the fact that there's been matrix changes during that time, making any previous data before the matrix change useless.

        Imagine that! Nothing above 53 for white balls, only 37 above today's max of 35 [and this new matrix was only about a year + a month ago].

        Someone really let Dr. Kim teach a statistics class?

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          Posted: February 20, 2013, 10:42 pm - IP Logged

          We are all searching for ways to beat the lottery, I wrote the numbers down Big Grin

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            Posted: February 20, 2013, 10:45 pm - IP Logged

            The odds would not be that astronomical if there was a so called " pattern" to winning the lottery.
            A mathematician once wrote " the balls & machine do not know that the balls are numbered" Once they are spun, its anyone's guess.
            These guys are chasing smoke.

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              Posted: February 20, 2013, 10:56 pm - IP Logged

              We are all searching for ways to beat the lottery, I wrote the numbers down Big Grin

              You probably won't be the only one lol

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                Posted: February 20, 2013, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

                You're better off figuring out the algorithm on scratchers

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                  Posted: February 20, 2013, 11:29 pm - IP Logged

                  You're better off figuring out the algorithm on scratchers

                  When you say "You're", who are you referring to?

                  * you don't need more tickets * 
                  * just the right ticket * 
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                    Posted: February 21, 2013, 12:07 am - IP Logged

                    You can always look back and find patterns that have happened. What is not possible is consistently predicting that a certain pattern will continue or a specific new pattern will develop.

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                      The odds would not be that astronomical if there was a so called " pattern" to winning the lottery.
                      A mathematician once wrote " the balls & machine do not know that the balls are numbered" Once they are spun, its anyone's guess.
                      These guys are chasing smoke.

                      Hello noise-gate,

                      Its seems then that this mathematician has not kept pace with physics. But before these statisticians go on chasing those higher jackpot games, they could start would the lowly Pick 3 and sit with it a good while. There is high order in it, and lessons learned can progressively be applied to the more "complex" games. The same order will be there with juuuust a smidgen of chaos to makes things interesting.

                      "May Your Numbers Be True This Day"

                      Kola

                      Legend says that the Craggy One, the ancient Lottery LoreKeeper, was once asked about the Lottery Circle and he slowly replied in his labored whisper, "It is known among our kind that two successive draws are in reality the 2 central points of 2 circles that share a common radius or Center. This Vesica Piscis is the creative womb for all numbers, the Still Point from which two draws will unite and a new one will be born. If you can find this "perfect" space and wormhole your way through Time to the root center, your numerical predictions will not falter."

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                        Posted: February 21, 2013, 12:31 am - IP Logged

                        Finding the winning combination is like finding your soul-mate sometimes.

                        I imagine some never do.

                        Took me a long time to find Sugarbritches.Love

                         

                        I want to live
                        I want to give
                        I've been a miner
                        for a heart of  gold
                        It's these expressions
                        I never give
                        That keep me searching
                        for  a heart of gold
                        And I'm getting old
                        -Neil Young

                         

                        But now I'm a miner for a pot of gold.

                        And I'm gettin' old.

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                          Posted: February 21, 2013, 3:36 am - IP Logged

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                          Darcy Mays believes, with a database of enough winning numbers, there is at least the "possibility" of seeing patterns develop.  That by no means will guarantee a win, but might up the odds a little, especially in the smaller games — like Pick 3 or Pick 4.

                          "If you were dedicated, and there really was some pattern that you were finding, you could not get rich — but you could probably do a good supplemental earning."

                          I Agree!

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                            Posted: February 21, 2013, 6:23 am - IP Logged

                            This article is the biggest crock of sh..it Ive ever come across.

                            First off and forgive me if I'm wrong but there is not a person on lottery post but me who has ever gotten the 6 numbers correct. But do you listen to me NO! WHY? because you have your head filled with intelletual lottery fantacys of winning the lottery! Its called greed! Some of you people on here are so wanting to win so bad that you will actually believe this garbage in this article and it makes me sick to my stomach, your methods.. your stategies.. your math... your dreams.. whatever.. leads no where! These two morons in this article are no different than anyone else. They just think their on to something! Its called chasing after the wind! But do you really want to win? Do you? I will tell you how? And its not by following nonesense and some of your strategies are so pioneer and so elementary its what I tried 10 years ago and so far off the chart you will never win with them, I already tried all your strategies but you just keep trying dont you? Hoping and praying and wishing! You remind me of a fly who keeps trying to get out of a closed window hitting your head against the glass thinking one day you will get out! Or WIN in this case! Dreamers! And are too intellegent for you own good. You dont believe anything until someone proves it to you, you put down most people who come here who are not "veterens of lottery post" you redicule them and mock them thinking you know best or more than they do. And you dont! And when they want to show you a strategy to win you chase them away! You aint changed at all in a decade! 

                            I proved this years ago when I joined lottery post long before any of you did when Todd just started it! When it first started. Under another user name. So there, I am a veteran above most of you. So dont ever put me down again! And not one of you has ever gotten 6 numbers right after all these years and I have! I've been viewing you all from a distance. And how did I do it? Surely not by listening to nonsense like this article! Listen carefully now..It doesnt give you the right to treat others second rate! And what gets me is that you have never gotten 6 numbers right! And I have! 

                            So what does this tell me? It tells me that you "so called intelletuals" with your "algorithm" and "math" and "systems" and "dreams" and wishes are going no where, chasing your tails! Dont you think after after a decade hitting your head against the glass window youd have busted the window by now or figured it out by now or gotten it by now with your systems and math and algorithms and dreams and lucky charms!! ?

                            Now tell me the truth isnt that what it feels like after playing all these years like a dog chasing its tail going nowhere! I bet you wish youd have listen to me now!! Your just trying desperately to win! I spent over $11,000 in a few months doing nothing but chasing patterns, detecting patterns and I can asure you if anyone on this earth or lottery post could give you advice on chasing patterns, its me. And not these knuckleheads in this article!

                            These so called "whoever they are" listed in this article are beside themselves and are completely out of their minds, they want you to believe in something that isn't plausable unless you spend countless dollars as I did. This is a marketing ploy by these two individuals to either sell some book or suck you into a suckers strategy or to get attention from the media, they have never gotten 6 numbers correct and I have. So what does that tell you? They should be listening to me! Let me say it again, I have attained the 6 numbers in lotto correct 4 times in 15 months. So who should you listen to? Them or me? Its not rocket science people! Its me! Unless you are too darn intellegent for your own good. But will you? NO! But you just keep going on plugging away the way you have been and see where it gets you. 10 years from now you'lle be in the same position. And where will it get you with all your lottery knoweledge. No where but broke! And your head will go crazy trying!

                            The most you will ever win playing on a poormans dollar chasing patterns is maybe a 5 tier prize and nothing more ever and it will take you years to even hit a 5 tier prize. O and how happy you will be that day! Get real!

                            So let me consider your strategies... spend countless thousands to win a thousand in lotto? Or spend thousands over years and win $500 one day once in a blue moon in pick 3 or 4... come on people what kind of strategy is that!???? Change your strategy people it aint working!

                            And even if you get a 5 tier prize how much money will you have spent when you do? Thousands before you do, unless you are lucky and the stars and moon and planets of the solor system are aligned perfectly just for you to win. Hang it up people you wont do it by chasing pattern on a poormans dollar.

                            That is why I say it takes thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to do it. And that is what these nitwits left out of there delicious story of theirs! DONT BUY INTO IT! Its BUNK! JUNK! Almost comparable to SPAM!!! Its like JUNK mail you get in your inbox DELETE IT! Dont even pay one ounce of thought to it! I am suprised lotterypost even posted it. Its like fairtale sh..it

                            I highly doubt anyone on lottery post past or present other than myself has ever won as much as I have and this story makes me sick to my stomach. Dont believe a word they say! Its hogwash! Complete nonsense. Its a strategy to make you go broke! I doubt any one on lottery post has ever spent as much as I have in research alone detecting patterns in the lottery as I have.

                            And let me explain what a portion of research is.. its playing $500 a night feeding numbers into reatail machines not to win but just to see what the computer will spit out for example playing 1 2 3 4 5 6 on every other line. Then anylizing the results that the computer gave me to figure out the computers random code. Have you ever done that? NO! Why? Because I can! And because I am all about the science of learning how randomness behaves and how computers work. And deciphering if something is random or by design. And I can assure you that I only touched the surface it will take you years to learn what I know. The retail computers that you buy your tickets from are NOT random! Not at all. And niether is any lottery. Any lottery! Not one of them in the entire world! I've deciphered every major known lottery in the world. I've compared lotterys and found patterns in all of them and also lotteries that have had the same 6 exact numbers show and when they will show. And I was correct! And posted my results online and predicted the $101 million dollar lottery! Heres a question for you? Where do you get your tickets from? The computer. The answer isnt in the database patterns its in the computer itself and learning how it behaves and playing accordingly. Thats all you get for now. Its about deciphering a computer code. Like figuring out a math problem but your figuring out the computers code. Because the database will lie to you. Right when you think you have some pattern figured out it will do something entirely different than what anyone could ever expect! Almost as if its rigged right? Right! And that is what these two guys havent learned yet! But let them try! Doesnt hurt me any. I've already done everything they could think of doing and more. Their going nowhere! Spinning their wheels in mud! Going around in circles, chasing their tail!

                            Your odds of hitting the jackpot on a poormans dollar we'll lets just say you would have a better chance inventing a time machine traveling back in time before you would ever hit the jackpot following patterns on a poormans dollar. You'd be better to get a 1 dollar QP and put it in your pocket than try to outsmart fate! Am I trying to be a dream crusher NO! And YES! I alone have gotten the numbers 4 times in a 15 month period detecting patterns. It did work. Yet I dont chalk it up to chasing the patterns anymore I just believe it was nothing but luck and luck alone but I thought it was patterns. Anyone who wins the lottery won because it was meant for them to win not because of any strategy. Thats just Lifes way of giving you something to do till your day comes. In otherwords this world is built on more than wimsical fantacy. I didnt believe this at first I actually thought "I" was the one who did it. And that I was on to something. I wasn't. It was luck alone and spending a ton of money. 

                            And when or IF you ever do win the lottery jackpoit trust me it wont be because of your system O at first you will think it is untill life teaches you it wasnt!

                            If you win it will be because of Luck or the gods shined down upon you that day NOTHING MORE! NOTHING LESS!

                            You know what you will get chasing patterns! INSANITY!