Salon lottery winners settle dispute

Aug 22, 2013, 6:34 am (143 comments)

Indiana Lottery

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. — "You'd think it should be an enjoyable time, winning the lottery," said Lucy Lewis-Johnston, "but it hasn't been the case at all."

Lewis-Johnston is one of eight Indianapolis hair stylists who fought over one winning ticket. They were all part of a lottery pool last February at Lou's Creative Styles, the salon Lewis-Johnston owns.

(See Hair stylists spar over $9.5M Hoosier Lotto jackpot, Lottery Post, Feb. 22, 2013.)

The woman who bought the ticket said the winner was one she bought for herself — not for the group.

"We were betrayed," said Lewis-Johnston.

Suddenly, people who Lewis-Johnston felt were "salon sisters" were divided.

"We have been living on a yo-yo string, basically. Up and down. Up and down," she said

Seven stylists went to court against the eighth to fight for what they perceived as their share of a $9.5 million Hoosier Lottery jackpot.

Wednesday afternoon, Lewis-Johnston said the case had been settled. But, the agreement forbids her from revealing the distribution. All she could say was, "it wasn't what we deserve. You know, we deserved to get our equal share and we did not." They find happiness knowing that "a couple women that are ill are going to be able to stop working, possibly stop working, or cut their hours back and not work as hard as they've had to work."

The case reminds her that money isn't everything, as the saying goes.

"You can buy anything you want with money," she said. "But you can't buy love and you can't buy family members back, you know."

Lewis-Johnston said the woman who bought the ticket no longer works at the east side salon. They've seen each other only when their case required it.

The remaining salon sisters still play the lottery.

Lewis-Johnston said they still don't have a written agreement about how they play it because they still trust each other. And, after this "nightmare," she's inclined to believe no agreement is necessary. "I don't think it could happen, twice, to the same people."

WISH

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maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Wednesday afternoon, Lewis-Johnston said the case had been settled. But, the agreement forbids her from revealing the distribution. All she could say was, "it wasn't what we deserve. You know, we deserved to get our equal share and we did not."

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not. I feel that if you're gonna be lazy and not take interest in anything you are doing then you cannot complain of unfairness when things don't turn out your way. They should have got nothing.

dr65's avatardr65

Just buy your own tickets and drain the pool. I wonder how many tickets were purchased that day
for the pool players and how many she purchased for herself on 'the side'.
Greed strikes in places you'd least expect it to, you just can't trust anyone. Even family. There have
been countless times where someone stabbed someone else in the back over money. My gosh when
are people going to learn anything?
It's all fun and games until someone wins a jackpot. That's when things get dirty.

schmuckatelly's avatarschmuckatelly

And yet they still don't have an agreement and dont think it can happen twice to the same people and they still trust each other.

Didn't this happen because they thought there was trust?

Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?

If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again. 

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Twitchfurther proof the only good pool has water in it

 

 ole swimming hole

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on Aug 22, 2013

And yet they still don't have an agreement and dont think it can happen twice to the same people and they still trust each other.

Didn't this happen because they thought there was trust?

Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?

If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again. 

I Agree!

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on Aug 22, 2013

And yet they still don't have an agreement and dont think it can happen twice to the same people and they still trust each other.

Didn't this happen because they thought there was trust?

Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?

If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again. 

STUPID is as STUPID does!

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by maringoman on Aug 22, 2013

Wednesday afternoon, Lewis-Johnston said the case had been settled. But, the agreement forbids her from revealing the distribution. All she could say was, "it wasn't what we deserve. You know, we deserved to get our equal share and we did not."

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not. I feel that if you're gonna be lazy and not take interest in anything you are doing then you cannot complain of unfairness when things don't turn out your way. They should have got nothing.

"I make copies at work and pass them out at work," 

According to the one who bought the ticket, they did know which tickets were part of the pool. All the circumstances surrounding this story are weird and it includes the settlement.

"Had that woman brought her winning ticket to the Hoosier Lottery headquarters, she would have claimed her money no questions asked.  Instead, she went to the salon first and told them their pool didn't win, but she did.  That's when they decided to file a court order to freeze that money."

Had the seven others really believed and had real evidence the ticket was part of the pool, why did they settle for much less?

Since we don't know the size of the settlement, it's possible the person with the ticket offered a much smaller amount to stop them from dragging it out in court and collectively the seven decided their case wasn't that strong. And based on what Lewis-Johnston said, I guessing the seven split $1 million or less. When PB and MM have huge jackpots, there are probably millions of verbal agreements between player and it's possible verbal agreements were made by this group in the past and why there is a settlement for much less.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on Aug 22, 2013

And yet they still don't have an agreement and dont think it can happen twice to the same people and they still trust each other.

Didn't this happen because they thought there was trust?

Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?

If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again. 

"Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?"

I'm guessing verbal agreements were made in the past and having every member of a pool sign a 20 page legal waiver takes the fun out of forming a pool. If someone asked me to contribute $2 a drawing to join their pool, but I had to first sign a legal document in front of Notary, I'd probably say "no thanks" because nothing in the document would benefit me.

"If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again."

I was in a pool of 30 players and two of the players formed another pool between themselves, won, and they split a $20 million jackpot. Since neither of them ran the 30 player pool, there was no controversy from 27 of the other players, but 20 years later one guy still says he was cheated because him and one of the two winners had agreed to give the other a large share if either won a jackpot.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

TRUST AND VERIFY

...always get a copy of all the tickets purchased for the pool.

...always get the names of everyone participating in the pool.

...always get the amount contributed by each member.

...always get and document the number of shares puchased by each member.

Failure to follow these guidelines, will potentially elevate you to the status of SUCKER OF THE CENTURY, if your pool happens to win.

Those who fail to learn from history, are bound to repeat it.

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

Quote: Originally posted by hearsetrax on Aug 22, 2013

Twitchfurther proof the only good pool has water in it

 

 ole swimming hole

ROFLThe cons of having a lottery pool.no pun intended.there are more stories like this.what I dont understand is that they are still playing, but doubt they will win again "because they cant see it happening to the same people twice".What?

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by dr65 on Aug 22, 2013

Just buy your own tickets and drain the pool. I wonder how many tickets were purchased that day
for the pool players and how many she purchased for herself on 'the side'.
Greed strikes in places you'd least expect it to, you just can't trust anyone. Even family. There have
been countless times where someone stabbed someone else in the back over money. My gosh when
are people going to learn anything?
It's all fun and games until someone wins a jackpot. That's when things get dirty.

you just can't trust anyone

  I Agree!I Agree!

schmuckatelly's avatarschmuckatelly

Quote: Originally posted by miracleplay5 on Aug 22, 2013

ROFLThe cons of having a lottery pool.no pun intended.there are more stories like this.what I dont understand is that they are still playing, but doubt they will win again "because they cant see it happening to the same people twice".What?


Actually I think she means another controversy..but if she did mean winning again, then why is she playing????

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

STUPID is as STUPID does!

Agree with stupid         Thumbs Up

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

you just can't trust anyone

  I Agree!I Agree!

I can trust everyone if I want to. 

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

STUPID is as STUPID does!

It TAKES one to KNOW one!

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by maringoman on Aug 22, 2013

Wednesday afternoon, Lewis-Johnston said the case had been settled. But, the agreement forbids her from revealing the distribution. All she could say was, "it wasn't what we deserve. You know, we deserved to get our equal share and we did not."

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not. I feel that if you're gonna be lazy and not take interest in anything you are doing then you cannot complain of unfairness when things don't turn out your way. They should have got nothing.

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not

here's how she counted the tickets 1 4 u and 2 4 me  Green laugh

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

It TAKES one to KNOW one!

Green laughi think he live close to Indianapolis,in

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

I can trust everyone if I want to. 

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understandingBlue Angel

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understandingBlue Angel

Thumbs Up

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not

here's how she counted the tickets 1 4 u and 2 4 me  Green laugh

I think she did the right thing to give up some cash and settle the dispute.

miracleplay5's avatarmiracleplay5

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on Aug 22, 2013


Actually I think she means another controversy..but if she did mean winning again, then why is she playing????

Hmmm from reading this story my humble opinion is that they meant winning. I mean geesh they still trust each other and dont have an agreement.They are repeating the same behavior, yet they are expecting a different result even if they do mean the controversy repeating again.Wait isnt that insanity, doing the same thing yet expecting a different result.CrazyWell I wish them well and IF they do win again it's settled fair and square amongst themselves.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

I think she did the right thing to give up some cash and settle the dispute.

I Agree! JUST TO GET THEM OUT OF HER HAIRGreen laugh

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

I Agree! JUST TO GET THEM OUT OF HER HAIRGreen laugh

Right, and if they were lying they will have the Piper to pay.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

People sometimes forget, the consequences of a ripoff, of this magnitude. Some people will get so pi$$ed, that they will be willing to punch  a couple of holes, in your head, with a couple of 50cal. slugs, so you can bleed out, your ill gotten gains.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

People sometimes forget, the consequences of a ripoff, of this magnitude. Some people will get so pi$$ed, that they will be willing to punch  a couple of holes, in your head, with a couple of 50cal. slugs, so you can bleed out, your ill gotten gains.

Like a beuity shop manicure or something?

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

Like others on this thread, whenever I've been in a pool, and I did run one, we photocopied all the tickets in the pool and had a spreadsheet of pool members' names and their share. Everybody got a copy.  Most people in our pool bought their own tickets for themselves, or in other pools, so it was imperative there was no question as to who won what. It's just basic common-sense.  That salon group seem to think they're being all noble and pure of heart by claiming they trust each other, but they're actually displaying an incredible level of stupidity.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

People sometimes forget, the consequences of a ripoff, of this magnitude. Some people will get so pi$$ed, that they will be willing to punch  a couple of holes, in your head, with a couple of 50cal. slugs, so you can bleed out, your ill gotten gains.

crime rate in Indiana, Chicago, Detroit Michigan is pretty scary I Agree!

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

It TAKES one to KNOW one!

I'm smart enough to know that you ARE stupid!You don't even think before you run your mouth.You just put your foot in it and continue on as if nothing has happened.Pretty stupid!

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

I'm smart enough to know that you ARE stupid!You don't even think before you run your mouth.You just put your foot in it and continue on as if nothing has happened.Pretty stupid!

Thanks for that compliment CLETU$. The word "stupid" is sure getting thrown around a lot here.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

crime rate in Indiana, Chicago, Detroit Michigan is pretty scary I Agree!

I think Chicago outdid Detroit this past year.

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

Thanks for that compliment CLETU$. The word "stupid" is sure getting thrown around a lot here.

Did your mother have any children that lived?

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

Like a beuity shop manicure or something?

drop dead gorgeous   Dead   

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Pita Maha on Aug 22, 2013

Like others on this thread, whenever I've been in a pool, and I did run one, we photocopied all the tickets in the pool and had a spreadsheet of pool members' names and their share. Everybody got a copy.  Most people in our pool bought their own tickets for themselves, or in other pools, so it was imperative there was no question as to who won what. It's just basic common-sense.  That salon group seem to think they're being all noble and pure of heart by claiming they trust each other, but they're actually displaying an incredible level of stupidity.

They probably think that the words nobility and stupidity are interchangeable. Bless their hearts. Agree with stupid

Pita Maha's avatarPita Maha

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

They probably think that the words nobility and stupidity are interchangeable. Bless their hearts. Agree with stupid

lol! Yeah, and bless their little white cotton socks too.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

Did your mother have any children that lived?

I think you just personified the word stupid. Green laugh Nice work CLETU$.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

crime rate in Indiana, Chicago, Detroit Michigan is pretty scary I Agree!

YEP...and sometimes, its over a little bag of some green leafy substance.Evil

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

They probably think that the words nobility and stupidity are interchangeable. Bless their hearts. Agree with stupid

God Bless you Blue Angel

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

God Bless you Blue Angel

Thank You...Umm I thinkBlue Angel

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

Did your mother have any children that lived?

Idea try to stay on the settle dispute topic

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

Thank You...Umm I thinkBlue Angel

Your WelcomeDance

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

I think you just personified the word stupid. Green laugh Nice work CLETU$.

Tell us the truth,Ronnie316,when your parents got divorced did the judge severe all family ties or did he allow them to remain as brother and sister?

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

Tell us the truth,Ronnie316,when your parents got divorced did the judge severe all family ties or did he allow them to remain as brother and sister?

Oh I see, you are trying to insult me...... Nice try but Im not really interested today. Green laugh

Have a nice day today friend, I gots to go clean D tiolets...... Thumbs Up

Have a great day everyone.......... Yes Nod

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

Your WelcomeDance

Thumbs Up

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

Thumbs Up

Make it a Great day!See Ya!

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

Oh I see, you are trying to insult me...... Nice try but Im not really interested today. Green laugh

Have a nice day today friend, I gots to go clean D tiolets...... Thumbs Up

Have a great day everyone.......... Yes Nod

Taking the high road huh? Cool.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

Make it a Great day!See Ya!

IMA B havin a great "Thank goodness it's Thursday" Day. Thanks.

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Aug 22, 2013

Oh I see, you are trying to insult me...... Nice try but Im not really interested today. Green laugh

Have a nice day today friend, I gots to go clean D tiolets...... Thumbs Up

Have a great day everyone.......... Yes Nod

Cleaning the toilets,huh?Don't go away hungry!

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by CLETU$ on Aug 22, 2013

Cleaning the toilets,huh?Don't go away hungry!

topic CLETU$ has a dispute to settle. LOL

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

you guys from Iowa sure are friendly  Smiley

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

you guys from Iowa sure are friendly  Smiley

You and your buddy ronnie316 are cordially invited to the theological place of eternal punishment.

 Now go hijack some other thread!

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 22, 2013

Taking the high road huh? Cool.

Oh my, what a story. Poke

MsNumberDreamer's avatarMsNumberDreamer

I think it is smart to already have copies made and distributed to every member a day or so before the draw so they are well aware of which tickets are a part of the pool.  This was a reall messy pool.  How do you not have any rules, copies, or agreements?  Unbelievable.  I really don't think they deserve a share since there were no copies of the tickets or numbers that was a part of the pool.  But the "leader" of the pool should have let it be known that she buys tickets seperately as well as with the pool.  Just very unorganized.  And very stupid to STILL not have a set of rules.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understandingBlue Angel

I Agree!

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

if i was an unscrupulous pool runner, and the pool players didnt care to see the ticket, i might buy a matching  number of lines for myself.and hand over the losing ticket to the the pool. and keep the winner for myself.  if i was unscrupulous.  but thwen i prob wouldnt even tell the office that i had won. far better to make a coppy and even just pin it to  notice board. before the draw.and remain honest.

JoshUK

If I was in a pool, I'd bring in a cork board and a few pins and just photocopy the tickets for everyone to see. Or get everyone in the pool to sign the back.

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Quote: Originally posted by schmuckatelly on Aug 22, 2013

And yet they still don't have an agreement and dont think it can happen twice to the same people and they still trust each other.

Didn't this happen because they thought there was trust?

Didn't this happen because there was no agreement?

If you are still playing in a pool, it could happen again. 

One can only hope they never buy a winning lotto ticket...which reminds me, I just might make drive down to scoop up a chance to win Hoosier lotto. There won't be any disputes with me since I am a lone, free agent.

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

It serves them right for not knowing which tickets were part of the pool and which were not

here's how she counted the tickets 1 4 u and 2 4 me  Green laugh

hahaha I bet! The judge should have just told them "just go back to work and pretend it didn't happen" and dismissed the case.

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Aug 22, 2013

I Agree! JUST TO GET THEM OUT OF HER HAIRGreen laugh

You're having fun with this lol

RJOh's avatarRJOh

With PB and MM available, why would anyone form a pool for a local jackpot that was less than $12M?

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