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Widow and daughter will split estate of poisoned $1 million lotto winner

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sully16's avatar - sharan
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Posted: December 13, 2013, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

I bet the wife's back in court within a year facing murder charges.

I'd back you on that bet, thought the same thing myself, just not enough evidence yet.

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    Posted: December 13, 2013, 12:27 pm - IP Logged

    Hey Jon D, just got some very very valuable information. The claiming of prizes using Trusts/LLC's in Illinois is ONLY permitted if the LLC or Trust was formed BEFORE winning. That is, you had a Trusts/LLC set up or established PRIOR to even purchasing the winning ticket. Quite crazy if you ask me. I just contacted the Illinois lottery headquarters to enquire for myself. (i'm like that, i try to do my own research whenever possible). But thanks for the info, it lead me to doing a bit of research and to dig deeper. All the States have all these crazy rules.

    In California, the Lottery has stated in their winner's handbook that even if you claim your prize through a trust, names are still public record and disclosable. Now what I don't know is whether that disclosable name is the name of trustee (usually an attorney) or the name of the winner themselves contained in the trust.

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      Posted: December 13, 2013, 2:58 pm - IP Logged

      I'd back you on that bet, thought the same thing myself, just not enough evidence yet.

      who would want him dead the most? why would they want him dead? His last meal would point to the wife! The daughter might have been pissed because of their Relegion, her dad might have been keeping her from going out and dating, Living out the American dream! If they searched the home, and could not find a trace of the poison, maybe it points to someone else in the Family! that's just my 2 cents!!!!!

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        Posted: December 13, 2013, 3:25 pm - IP Logged

        Hey Jon D, just got some very very valuable information. The claiming of prizes using Trusts/LLC's in Illinois is ONLY permitted if the LLC or Trust was formed BEFORE winning. That is, you had a Trusts/LLC set up or established PRIOR to even purchasing the winning ticket. Quite crazy if you ask me. I just contacted the Illinois lottery headquarters to enquire for myself. (i'm like that, i try to do my own research whenever possible). But thanks for the info, it lead me to doing a bit of research and to dig deeper. All the States have all these crazy rules.

        I suspect that it always come sdowns to how cooperative the lottery wants to be.

        Whenever I see anything about it, there's always a reference to a requirement that the "winner" attend a press conference, or that the "winner's" name is considered public information. So who's the winner when the prize is claimed by a legal entity that didn't buy the ticket? How could any entity that didn't even exist when the ticket became a winning ticket have any rights to the ticket until after the ticket is worth enough that there are tax issues?

        Based on the phrasing of the rules, I think the lotteries have a decent argument that the winner is either the person that actually bought the ticket or the entity the ticket was transferred to before it became a winning ticket. Once a legal entity wins, a subsequent owner of the ticket is not the winner.

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          Posted: December 13, 2013, 4:50 pm - IP Logged

          Hey Jon D, just got some very very valuable information. The claiming of prizes using Trusts/LLC's in Illinois is ONLY permitted if the LLC or Trust was formed BEFORE winning. That is, you had a Trusts/LLC set up or established PRIOR to even purchasing the winning ticket. Quite crazy if you ask me. I just contacted the Illinois lottery headquarters to enquire for myself. (i'm like that, i try to do my own research whenever possible). But thanks for the info, it lead me to doing a bit of research and to dig deeper. All the States have all these crazy rules.

          That doesn't sound right, I think you may have been misinformed.

          I've only had limited experience with our own lottery customer service here in CA, but when I did I was not impressed. Sounded like I was calling into the DMV in Da Hood or something. Yappy and rude, and email inquiries take forever or are just ignored. I wouldn't take any answer I get from the front lines at face value.

          But anyway, I assume she meant to say you had to form the trust before claiming or signing the ticket. That doesn't make any sense that you have to form the trust before you even buying the ticket which you have no idea will win, spending hundreds/thousands of dollars on a trust for a $1 ticket with no value.

          The IL Lotto article stated that 20% of large wins $1M or more are claimed by trust/partnership. So if all of those were formed before they even purchased the ticket, statistically you would expect there to be millions of losers creating trusts for no reason. Now, maybe that's a thing in Illinois, millions of people wasting money on creating trusts for no reason, but I doubt it.

          I posted some other links for Trust claims in Texas and Louisiana, in the other news thread that is more appropriate for this off-topic discussion, perhaps you can check out those too:

          http://www.lotterypost.com/news/269462/3381562

          And even here on LP, someone else had done some investigative digging for CA anonymous claims rules:

          http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222068/1818123

          Basically, the summary of her investigation to me is:
          Win a Jackpot first, then have your lawyer call our lawyer, THEN we'll talk.

          These lottery people are very sneaky. They'll do anything they can to avoid and obfuscate the whole claiming anonymously by Trust issue. They won't give you a straight answer.

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            Posted: December 13, 2013, 5:15 pm - IP Logged

            1)it depends on the state law and whether a person vs. an entity can collect a JP. 

            In VA, only a person/individual can collect so no trusts, etc. are permitted  Washington, DC allows trusts.

            2.) The next question is if they release names of winners for trusts. For a few states, you have to file a copy of the trust at a local courthouse. Most states require paperwork to be filed for a LLC and some business records can be publicly available. 

            So for your state, you really need an expert in trusts to know the law on multiple levels of analysis.

             

            PS: There are different types of trusts. I think BLIND trusts have to be formed before the money is won.

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              Posted: December 13, 2013, 5:27 pm - IP Logged

              1)it depends on the state law and whether a person vs. an entity can collect a JP. 

              In VA, only a person/individual can collect so no trusts, etc. are permitted  Washington, DC allows trusts.

              2.) The next question is if they release names of winners for trusts. For a few states, you have to file a copy of the trust at a local courthouse. Most states require paperwork to be filed for a LLC and some business records can be publicly available. 

              So for your state, you really need an expert in trusts to know the law on multiple levels of analysis.

               

              PS: There are different types of trusts. I think BLIND trusts have to be formed before the money is won.

              So far I've only seen states VA and OR as not allowing a lottery win to be claimed by trust/LLC.

              But the issue of winner identification is not so much in the Trust, but the lottery rules. You match the numbers that's just the first part. Then they have to valudate that the ticket was legally obtained and not by an employee, etc. Then they can demand to know who the winner is, like the case with the Hot Lotto lawyer who claimed at the last minute but refused to divulge the original buyer of the ticket. Only after all that, then you are the winner according to their game/rules.

              Someone at the lottery will probably always know who the *real* winner is, but as for the payee of record and what gets published and what gets released on a public records request, that's not so clear.

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                Posted: December 13, 2013, 5:38 pm - IP Logged

                I'd back you on that bet, thought the same thing myself, just not enough evidence yet.

                I agree also.

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                because it is his natural characteristic,

                so the artist works.

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                  Posted: December 13, 2013, 7:46 pm - IP Logged

                  1)it depends on the state law and whether a person vs. an entity can collect a JP. 

                  In VA, only a person/individual can collect so no trusts, etc. are permitted  Washington, DC allows trusts.

                  2.) The next question is if they release names of winners for trusts. For a few states, you have to file a copy of the trust at a local courthouse. Most states require paperwork to be filed for a LLC and some business records can be publicly available. 

                  So for your state, you really need an expert in trusts to know the law on multiple levels of analysis.

                   

                  PS: There are different types of trusts. I think BLIND trusts have to be formed before the money is won.

                  "In VA, only a person/individual can collect"

                  Does this ring a bell? "Corporations are people my friends." I don't see a valid way for  a state lottery to prohibit any legal entity from claiming a prize, as long as that entity is the legal owner of a winning ticket, particularly if the ticket is bought by that legal entity. It is possible that lottery rules limit the purchase of tickets to actual people, but I think there are real problems with that, too.

                  Announcing the name of a particular person may be a separate matter, as I noted in my post above.

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                    Posted: December 13, 2013, 9:03 pm - IP Logged

                    I bet the wife's back in court within a year facing murder charges.

                    Someones got to face it, there is no way someone just got away with it like that,

                    that easy? No way!

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                      Posted: December 13, 2013, 11:33 pm - IP Logged

                      Well, I guess it doesn't matter who killed him...just so they get the money and property straightened out.

                      That's priority alright.

                      One of them must have done it, why are they getting ANYTHING at all?

                      Because they can't prove that either one of them did anything.  At best, there's circumstantial evidence pointing to the wife, but nothing you could hang charges or a court case on.

                      I suppose you'd rather the state gobbles up the estate?

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                        Posted: December 13, 2013, 11:39 pm - IP Logged

                        People have killed for less. Murderers are dumb.

                        Actually, I was wondering why 5 condos only totalled $250,000 together. Real estate in Chicago must really be in the crapper, or those places must be real slummy.

                        I was thinking the same thing.  There's no way five condos are collectively worth $250K unless Mr. Khan was a slumlord.  $250,000 each sounds more like it, and even that might be on the low side for Chicago.

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                          Well court cases with circumstantial evidence are brought all the time.  If one can show motive, opportunity, and in this case, I assume only one person controlled the food, it could end up in court.

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                            Posted: December 14, 2013, 8:16 am - IP Logged

                            RIP Khan.

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                              Posted: December 14, 2013, 8:57 am - IP Logged

                              I bet the wife's back in court within a year facing murder charges.

                              I Agree! Something about her story didn't add up.

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