Florida Lottery announces changes in response to reports of repeat winners

Apr 3, 2014, 9:10 am (57 comments)

Florida Lottery

The Florida Lottery on Tuesday announced that it would adopt several safeguards to prevent fraud and protect players.

The announcement follows a Palm Beach Post investigation published Sunday that revealed that many players may be winning big prizes too often. It also comes as legislators consider taking more control of the lottery by placing it under a gambling commission.

The lottery will adopt software to track frequent winners in real time, roll out more self-checking terminals at its outlets and name stores where clerks have stolen winning tickets, lottery Secretary Cynthia O'Connell said in a statement to The Post.

"For us to succeed in our mission, we have to ensure that activities conducted by the lottery are transparent and free of fraud," she wrote.

Gov. Rick Scott, whose office oversees the lottery and appoints the lottery secretary, echoed her statement, telling The Post Wednesday: "I know the secretary of the lottery takes everything seriously and wants to make sure it's done properly and with transparency and we're going to make sure there is no fraud."

Sen. Maria Sachs, vice chairwoman of the Senate Gaming Committee and an advocate of more legislative control of the lottery, told The Post: "What your investigation has shown is that we need greater oversight."

The Post showed that about 200 people were defying lottery odds over the last decade to cash in tens or hundreds of winning tickets worth $600 or more. One Pompano Beach man was credited with collecting $719,000 from 252 winning lottery tickets in a six-year span.

Mathematicians calculated that nine of the 10 most prolific winners would have lost up to $2 million trying to win so many times.

In other states, such winning patterns have been found to be associated with criminal activity. Frequent winners in other states were found to have been store clerks stealing tickets from unsuspecting customers, "ticket cashers" who helped lottery winners avoid back taxes or child support and criminals using the lottery to launder money.

While The Post's analysis of public records couldn't determine whether crimes have been committed, the lottery, which could, was paying little attention.

Last week, the lottery acknowledged for the first time that it conducted undercover stings, an action The Post wrote is usually well-publicized in other states to deter theft or black-market sale of winning tickets.

In the stings, the lottery has agents pose as customers and ask clerks to scan their tickets to check for winners — a common request by customers.

They've caught 19 people stealing tickets, but never announced those arrests.

The Florida Lottery now will name the stores where clerks are convicted of stealing tickets. O'Connell said the move should deter clerks and give customers confidence in stores.

The lottery also will roll out more self-checking terminals. Only 54 percent of outlets have the machines, which let customers check tickets themselves, rather than relying on clerks, to determine if they have a winner. Other lotteries have found that some clerks lie to customers, telling them they had no winners while pocketing winning tickets.

O'Connell did not say how many more stores would get the machines.

In another change prompted by The Post's story, the lottery will adopt software to track frequent winners in real time.

Sachs, D-Delray Beach, has been an advocate of folding the lottery into a state gambling commission, which would be overseen by legislators and include all forms of gambling in the state. She said The Post's investigation further emphasized that need.

Sachs said that retailers should have greater scrutiny, also. The Post found six of the top 10 prolific winners were store clerks or owners.

Store clerks and employees can play the lottery without restriction. They can even play from behind the counter if the store allows it.

Some North American lotteries don't permit clerks and owners to play at their own stores.

"They can't be checking the tickets to see if anybody won. They can't be playing," Sachs said. "Your article, and previous articles, have shown that other states do it better."

Rep. Mark Pafford, D-West Palm Beach, said that relationship creates a "perception issue."

"You shouldn't have the hand in the till. That's extremely awkward," he said.

The Post found that some lotteries place restrictions on its retailers. Ontario, one of the largest lotteries in North America, doesn't allow clerks and owners to play at their own stores.

California asks winners if they own or work at a store that sells lottery tickets. Florida doesn't.

But O'Connell did not announce any changes to the way store clerks and owners play or how they report their winnings.

Palm Beach Post

Comments

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Tell us something we don't know already.Thumbs Down

Jon D's avatarJon D

This problem is common to many states: where owners, clerks and their relatives are among the most prolific winners.

The problem is because "Store clerks and employees can play the lottery without restriction." THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PLAY!!!

It will continue to be a problem, and occasional stings and additional checking won't fix it. "They can't be checking the tickets to see if anybody won. They can't be playing," Correct.

But part of the problem is the greed of the lottery, not wanting to give up the additional revenue from stores/clerks playing. They probably think any negative impact of theft/fraud by clerks is more than offset by the additional sales. Players need to let them know where to stick that.

This is what they need to do:

"Ontario, one of the largest lotteries in North America, doesn't allow clerks and owners to play at their own stores."

CLETU$

Quote: Originally posted by Jon D on Apr 3, 2014

This problem is common to many states: where owners, clerks and their relatives are among the most prolific winners.

The problem is because "Store clerks and employees can play the lottery without restriction." THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PLAY!!!

It will continue to be a problem, and occasional stings and additional checking won't fix it. "They can't be checking the tickets to see if anybody won. They can't be playing," Correct.

But part of the problem is the greed of the lottery, not wanting to give up the additional revenue from stores/clerks playing. They probably think any negative impact of theft/fraud by clerks is more than offset by the additional sales. Players need to let them know where to stick that.

This is what they need to do:

"Ontario, one of the largest lotteries in North America, doesn't allow clerks and owners to play at their own stores."

I Agree!  The temptation of easy money is just to great for SOME clerks to ignore.Most clerks are as honset as the day is long,but a few are rotten to the core,Banning them from playing the lottery at their place of work is the only way to keep them honest.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Thank you Florida Lottery Smiley

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Yawn...what's new?

jjtheprince

I'm glad they're busting cheats!

noise-gate

Quote: Originally posted by jjtheprince on Apr 3, 2014

I'm glad they're busting cheats!

What l would like to know is" Have any of these Cheating Vendor's ever won MM/PB jackpots?".. or have been flying below the radar.
Some of these Vendors have been feeding off the unfortunate players rightfully earned winnings like a Coyote feeds off a buffalo carcass **

LottoMetro's avatarLottoMetro

I saw The Post's investigation and it said that when they confronted the top winner (the guy who won on 252 tickets), he had no clue what they were talking about and says he has never won. The IRS is coming after him for taxes on winnings too. He wasn't a clerk, but the store he used to hang out at all the time was one of those that were shut down.

lottolaughs's avatarlottolaughs

I played the lottery every day when I worked in a liquor store selling tickets back in the 90's. My boss would always buy the "mistake" tickets. Of course the bad apples always upset the cart sooner or later. Too bad.

The lottery sounds like it's turning into a casino...throwing out people who win too much,lol. Cheating and scamming people out of their wins is one thing but if you're a "lucky" player who happens to win often then I guess you're under the eyeball too.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by lottolaughs on Apr 3, 2014

I played the lottery every day when I worked in a liquor store selling tickets back in the 90's. My boss would always buy the "mistake" tickets. Of course the bad apples always upset the cart sooner or later. Too bad.

The lottery sounds like it's turning into a casino...throwing out people who win too much,lol. Cheating and scamming people out of their wins is one thing but if you're a "lucky" player who happens to win often then I guess you're under the eyeball too.

Maybe some of these players winning systems will be exposed and they'll lose their edge.

lord voldermort

NOW LETS SEE A POWERBALL JACKPOT WIN IN NORTH CAROLINA. FOUR

YEAR DROUGHT HERE.Rant

Technics's avatarTechnics

God forbid if people win.....we cant have winners.........lol. Green laugh

grwurston's avatargrwurston

Quote: Originally posted by Technics on Apr 3, 2014

God forbid if people win.....we cant have winners.........lol. Green laugh

Everyone here is trying to "crack the code".  If you do, don't do it in Florida. But then, if you do it legitimally it's not cheating.

Right?  But try telling them that...   Thumbs Down

Ilovecash3

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Apr 3, 2014

Everyone here is trying to "crack the code".  If you do, don't do it in Florida. But then, if you do it legitimally it's not cheating.

Right?  But try telling them that...   Thumbs Down

This isn't a news story. Just adding to this story. Todd don't suspend me

check dis out

chrissy16

Great story, although I am more concerned with implementing computer drawings.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by grwurston on Apr 3, 2014

Everyone here is trying to "crack the code".  If you do, don't do it in Florida. But then, if you do it legitimally it's not cheating.

Right?  But try telling them that...   Thumbs Down

According to their posts some here have already "cracked the code", it's just that they haven't won big enough for anyone to notice or care. Thumbs Up

lucky6025

The Lottery always investigates when people actually win or should I say collect money from them.I would like to see actual $ amounts the Lottery gives back to each city and State and then see the $ amounts to Schools and any other service supposed to be getting these amounts and where that money actually goes.Because the Schools are always complaining there is no money for anything and as far as roads and bridges can't see any money going there either.But we will never see this happen.

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

                                                            COMING SOON !

                        To A Favorite Lottery Game Near You

 

                                        SMART PLAYERS

         Robert Walsh; Peter St. Pierre; Gail Howard; Steve Player; Keith Price; Daniel Morrissey; Splinter-Cell

                                                                                         BEWARE !

   Your friendly neighbor Lottery Commission is watching you !

                    

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

                                                            COMING SOON !

                        To A Favorite Lottery Game Near You

 

                                        SMART PLAYERS

         Robert Walsh; Peter St. Pierre; Gail Howard; Steve Player; Keith Price; Daniel Morrissey; Splinter-Cell

                                                                                         BEWARE !

   Your friendly neighbor Lottery Commission is watching you !

                    

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

                                                            COMING SOON !

                        To A Favorite Lottery Game Near You

 

                                        SMART PLAYERS

         Robert Walsh; Peter St. Pierre; Gail Howard; Steve Player; Keith Price; Daniel Morrissey; Splinter-Cell

                                                                                         BEWARE !

   Your friendly neighbor Lottery Commission is watching you !

                    

Green laugh

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Green laugh

Good a.m. all!

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Hey, I didn't forget the guy! But what strategy does he actually use besides beating the winning numbers into submission by playing lots of dollars??

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Good a.m. all!

See Ya!

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

Hey, I didn't forget the guy! But what strategy does he actually use besides beating the winning numbers into submission by playing lots of dollars??

Thumbs Upi put my money on Steve PlayerParty

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 3, 2014

This isn't a news story. Just adding to this story. Todd don't suspend me

check dis out

NICE STORY Smiley

Ilovecash3

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Thumbs Upi put my money on Steve PlayerParty

KEITH was already investigated

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Thumbs Upi put my money on Steve PlayerParty

Yay! It's PB day today. If I win I will buy me an original Norman Rockwell oil painting if not, I'll ask my father...hehehehe

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Thumbs Upi put my money on Steve PlayerParty

I have a few Steve Player systems myself lying around here somewhere, but mostly for JACKPOT GAMES!

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 4, 2014

KEITH was already investigated

Keith investigated?? The tactic must have worked because I haven't seen him holding one of those large payout checks from the Kentucky Lottery Commission in a while now.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

I have a few Steve Player systems myself lying around here somewhere, but mostly for JACKPOT GAMES!

i need a math professor for sum mineGreen laugh

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 4, 2014

KEITH was already investigated

WOW really, maybe best just to buy many tickets TO cash at the store keep a lower profile. Yes Nod

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

i need a math professor for sum mineGreen laugh

Is there a Joan Ginther in the house ??

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Yay! It's PB day today. If I win I will buy me an original Norman Rockwell oil painting if not, I'll ask my father...hehehehe

Whoops! I'm in Saudi Time, it's Friday today, MM day!...hehehe

loonasee2's avatarloonasee2

In this corner Fla. lottery -VS- The player ,.......at the sound of the lottery machine ,...lets see who cheats best,....................

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

Keith investigated?? The tactic must have worked because I haven't seen him holding one of those large payout checks from the Kentucky Lottery Commission in a while now.

Green laugh

 

That news story reminds me of Colorado Lottery Investigates 21-Time Jackpot Winner Tadeusz Krupa Smiley

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Whoops! I'm in Saudi Time, it's Friday today, MM day!...hehehe

I Agree! when you go back home

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

I Agree! when you go back home

Last night, still have jet lag...hehehe

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

Is there a Joan Ginther in the house ??

I Agree!  Party

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by loonasee2 on Apr 4, 2014

In this corner Fla. lottery -VS- The player ,.......at the sound of the lottery machine ,...lets see who cheats best,....................

LOL

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Last night, still have jet lag...hehehe

yeah i know the feeling the time difference gets to me also i fly all the time

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

yeah i know the feeling the time difference gets to me also i fly all the time

I hate jet lag!

Ilovecash3

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

Keith investigated?? The tactic must have worked because I haven't seen him holding one of those large payout checks from the Kentucky Lottery Commission in a while now.

He only play pick 3.  Now he cashes his tickets at gas stations as he always did

He used to cash in tickets at office to get checks for future promotion
Of his website

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 4, 2014

He only play pick 3.  Now he cashes his tickets at gas stations as he always did

He used to cash in tickets at office to get checks for future promotion
Of his website

Who is Keith?

Ilovecash3

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Who is Keith?

An american lottery player. From Kentucky.

That plays pick 3 as his dayjob

A well documented winner

Ky pays $600 for a straight also.

Most states only play $500

Most his wins are box. But he sometimes play them for $10-$20

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 4, 2014

An american lottery player. From Kentucky.

That plays pick 3 as his dayjob

A well documented winner

Ky pays $600 for a straight also.

Most states only play $500

Most his wins are box. But he sometimes play them for $10-$20

So how can he able to cheat and beat the system?

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

So how can he able to cheat and beat the system?

What a way to earn a living.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Who is Keith?

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

So how can he able to cheat and beat the system?

Cheat.......NO!  Strategy for beating the system.......YES!


I'm sure that Keith along with the others I mentioned in an earlier post with the exception of perhaps Gail Howard (only JACKPOT GAMES) has cracked the Pick 3 Lottery Code.

helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Quote: Originally posted by str8ca$hhomie on Apr 4, 2014

Cheat.......NO!  Strategy for beating the system.......YES!


I'm sure that Keith along with the others I mentioned in an earlier post with the exception of perhaps Gail Howard (only JACKPOT GAMES) has cracked the Pick 3 Lottery Code.

I Agree!

str8ca$hhomie's avatarstr8ca$hhomie

Quote: Originally posted by Ilovecash3 on Apr 4, 2014

He only play pick 3.  Now he cashes his tickets at gas stations as he always did

He used to cash in tickets at office to get checks for future promotion
Of his website

Thanks for posting this about Keith. I always thought that he purposely accumulated his winnings to get his picture taken down at Lottery Headquarters holding that big fat $5,000 - $7,000 lottery check. It was impressive as you alluded to but it certainly draws attention from the investigators. I'm glad he wised up.

What's the answer to that old question "How do you eat an elephant".......A little bit at a time !

Marilyn222's avatarMarilyn222

Quote: Originally posted by helpmewin on Apr 4, 2014

Hehehe...he's not what we call..."attractive to women." No offense.

rock_nc's avatarrock_nc

Maybe the lottery needs to create a teller machine, like an ATM to disperse winners monies to them! Anything under 500.00 dollars down to 2 dollar win will give you your winnings! If it's over 500.00 then of course you need to go to the headquartes to cash in!

rock_nc's avatarrock_nc

Quote: Originally posted by lord voldermort on Apr 3, 2014

NOW LETS SEE A POWERBALL JACKPOT WIN IN NORTH CAROLINA. FOUR

YEAR DROUGHT HERE.Rant

I Agree!

Litebets27's avatarLitebets27

Quote: Originally posted by Technics on Apr 3, 2014

God forbid if people win.....we cant have winners.........lol. Green laugh

I was thinking the same way.

"We want only frequent losers to play. If you win frequently, there has to be something wrong!!!"

florida*girl

Quote: Originally posted by rock_nc on Apr 4, 2014

Maybe the lottery needs to create a teller machine, like an ATM to disperse winners monies to them! Anything under 500.00 dollars down to 2 dollar win will give you your winnings! If it's over 500.00 then of course you need to go to the headquartes to cash in!

I like this idea too. :)

EdG1955

It's a tossup whether Florida or Louisiana is the most corrupt state in the country. Some days Louisiana leads, other days Florida catches up and passes.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Marilyn222 on Apr 4, 2014

Hehehe...he's not what we call..."attractive to women." No offense.

Now, now, young lady. Local celeb. getting paid and getting laid.

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