The Georgia Lottery is launching a full-scale effort to crack down on so-called "shadow winners" — people who take a percentage of the prize to stand in for the real winner.
Anyone with a winning ticket over $600 must show the Georgia Lottery proof of ID to collect their money. Before that cash is handed out, though, the Georgia Lottery checks to see whether the winner owes any back taxes or court-ordered judgments such as child support or educational loans.
If that's you, a shadow winner can help you keep more of your big prize.
Kip Wise admits he's a shadow winner. He was asked by a local reporter if he ever felt like he was doing something wrong.
"No. I didn't," Wise said. "I'm just like everybody else. I'm trying to get ahead and stay ahead."
Wise insists he's only providing a public service to his community. For years, the long time Griffin liquor store owner has pretended to be something he admits he's not: one of the luckiest lottery players in Georgia.
Since 2009, Wise has claimed 107 lottery wins of at least 600 dollars. Total collected: $137,915.
Let's just say not all of those are tickets Wise originally bought.
Wise said of the tickets that were not his, he was doing people a favor.
"Believe it or not, I've had people tell me they've never been to Macon. Never been to Atlanta," Wise said.
So instead of the real winner making that drive to collect at a Georgia Lottery office, Wise would step in, give the customer 75 percent of the prize and then tell the Georgia Lottery he's the official lucky guy.
Wise claims he's one of many shadow winners also working as a lottery retailer.
"I've had the opportunity to buy some and I didn't pay enough and they say so and so would pay more so I'm not the only one in the state of Georgia that might be buying tickets," Wise said.
But it's not just convenience. The Georgia Lottery says these so-called shadow winners can help the real winners avoid paying court-ordered debts like back child support or back taxes. And they can do it, over and over again.
The Fox 5 I-Team analyzed Georgia Lottery winners going back to 2009, including scratch-off and Keno, and found a lot of amazingly lucky people.
A Newnan man claimed 308 winning tickets. He collected $435,613.
An Albany man — 260 wins of at least 600 dollars. The Georgia Lottery paid him a total of $354,287.
In fact, the news station looked for anyone who won big 50 or more times, and found 98 big winners.
When asked if he was worried that perhaps he's participating in a scam to avoid people paying their child support, Wise said no. "I don't know if they're not paying child support," he explained.
And Wise said he didn't want to know either.
Earlier this year the Georgia Lottery began scrutinizing all prize claims that require winner identification. Investigators also began studying just how often Lady Luck seemed to smile on some of those repeat winners.
That's how Kip Wise got caught. The state rejected his claim for a $1000 scratch off winner citing "highly improbable results" of his past wins, including a day last October when Wise cashed in nine winning tickets at one time.
He's one of 11 winners rejected by the state this year. Regardless, he says there are plenty more retailers like him, willing to work in the shadows of success.
"If they crack down on everybody in the state, they would crack down on 75 percent of the people in GA that are running lottery machines," warned Wise.
The Georgia Lottery announced other changes "to protect and educate our players and promote retailer integrity."
- Develop "No Pay" lists at district offices, required those with questionable claims to be referred to lottery headquarters for further follow-up.
- Acquiring analytical software and services to identify frequent prize claims.
- Implementing "sting" operations to ensure Georgia Lottery rules and regulations are being followed.
Lottery officials point out that taxes and withholding are taken out of every winning ticket no matter who claims the money. The information is also sent to the IRS and Georgia Department of Revenue.
Since the Lottery began in 1993, $2,414,590 has been taken out of prize money to pay for back child support.
Thanks to Toney725 for the tip.
GLC's new motto should be "By any means necessary!"
If this is the case, they should investigate the Patels; they win on every second chance drawing, sometimes more than once. Retailers are making a killing. They should not be allowed to buy tickets. I rarely buy scratch offs in the store because if you buy a bunch and don't win; they purchase tickets behind you. If you're a drunk you can't sell booze (you would drink up all your product) So if you are a gambler , you shouldn't be allowed to be a retailer. 2 million is kind of low for the amount of tickets they say they sell. I wander when they will do an investigation on th the pay out amounts. They should be able to show proof to the public. I don't believe some of the pay outs they report.
They should allow winners to remain anonymous, as they do in Australia and the UK!
The GA Lottery and state officials better be careful - they're walking a fine line here. If they start cracking down on lots of people for something that apparently isn't illegal at this time, they may very well cause many individuals to quit playing the GA Lottery all together. They might end up hurting revenues, not helping them.
That's a good thing. Pay your child support.
So let me get this staight<scratching head> The lottery system was designed to make money for the state and to help pay for education and create a form of entertainment for the people(winnings) and now they are adding "Are you collecting for someone who may owe child support". Don't get me wrong on this.While I am 110% for collecting that money for those who owe it and parents being responsible for child rearing. This has to be one of the most GORMLESS attachments to a lottery payout system I have heard. These people are now challenging who is bringing in the ticket and why ??...let's take a look at whats possibly next with the government denying payouts....are you a smoker, do you drink heavy, do you do drugs, do you ride dangerous sporting equipment, do you spend your money on prostitutes, are you involved with a militia, do you stock pile weapons and ammunition, are you going to tip a waitress some place that may use her tip money to smoke pot...this scenario can go on and on.
When a man or a woman shows up with a legally purchased lotto ticket at a lottery distribution center and presents it for it's intent(money transaction) It's none of the governments 'effing business what you intend to do with the money or how you spend it or share it. If that presenter owes back taxes or child support or is on some other sort of government assistance program( ex: unemployment) then take the money out. But if the presenter has no IOUs to Uncle Sam or Aunt State, leave them to h*ll alone and pay them... just a little sputtering from me in the peanut gallery.
Protect our players(
) . Mean-while, nine out of ten Georgia Lottery employees will be trying to figure out how to cash in their winnings.
Wow! The state of Ga is giving me more reason to move away from here. smh
Thanks Toney725 for posting this info , this is something that we in ga. need to know.
Georgia is not in the Top Ten States for unwed Mothers, but Florida & Mississippi are- Georgia may simply be trying to make certain that if it does end up in that pool that these Mother's do get the support they deserve. They thinking outside the box.Move if you must, just don't forget to pay your child support.
I survived without child support and I lived in Fla. It's not about not paying child support. The lottery was not set up for that. This is why ppl have their wages garnished. Remember, a portion of what you lose is going into the lottery pool to pay winners. So yeah, I will be moving first chance I get because I don't play to pay for someone else's responsibility.
What law says a person can't claim more than one ticket? How many times is a person allowed to win? I hear a civil rights lawsuit spewing and I don't owe child support. My child is 22 years old.
I wonder how much they spend to help those addicted to gambling. They supposedly have set aside funds to help those too. But you don't see any stories about that. You have a good point. I could have sworn I have seen the same ppl claiming prizes of a different sort. hmmm...there is always shady about this though. *sips Kermit's tea*
"So let ME get this staight<scratching head>"
In most states, low income child support recipients find it much easier to qualify for cash assistance through welfare when their exes fail to pay what they have been obliged to pay.
Apparently, you would rather contribute to their support through your taxes rather than have the state dip in to their winnings.
By the way, what methods would you approve of the state using to collect from dead beat parents?
Are your payments up to date?
I think the state should report it but let the court decide how much to take. Why allow them to keep a large portion of it after they take what's behind? Seems to me, the mother could come out with more if this dude is $10k behind but he just cashed a $10 million ticket. ;-)
The state rejected his claim for a $1000 scratch off winner citing "highly improbable results" of his past wins, including a day last October when Wise cashed in nine winning tickets at one time.
He's one of 11 winners rejected by the state this year.
I am sure state lotteries that are more efficient than GA in parting lottery believers with their hard earned money are watching this keenly. NY, MA, CA, FL, PA, NJ
Many people support dodging lottery winnings taxes but disapprove dodging child support, myself included.
Unfortunately your prolix comment went off the point being made about the topic at hand.
To kindly answer your 2 questions
1.) Legal and without a doubt, not what may or may not be
2.) Gormless question based on attempts to imply an alledged scenario by an unknown..Not applicable
Have a good day and best of luck to you in the next lottery drawing
ELUCKYDREAM*,
A lot of store owners and managers are named Patel. That being the case I don't think they're buying all these tickets, just scarfing up the losers that players throw away and entering them in second chance contests.
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I guess Georgia really doesn't like any one sending in a beard but this guy had to know that eventually the lottery would get suspicious.
It's more likely the opinion of the person writing the story than an illegal effort to turn the Georgia Lottery into a collection agency. In Ohio I had to swear/affirm to a Notary I didn't owe any child support even though I was never ordered to pay any. The claims form assumed every winner js a dead-beat dad, even the winners with no children. Why stop at child support when it's possible some of the winners owe back Federal, State, and/or Municipal taxes?
I agree about dodging paying child support, but there should be a better solution than forcing all lottery winners to prove they are not.
The "ten percentors" are at horse and dog racing tracks too, but they don't get the same scrutiny as the lottery winners. And some of those winners are dead-beat dads. It's been a while since I signed a W-2G for slot machine win at a casino, but that was for taxes only and no questions are asked cashing in over $600 worth of casino chips either. It's my understanding no questions are asked or any tax forms required when cashing in less than $10,000 in chips.
IMO, policing the current "ten percentor" will only create other ways for players to sell their tickets to avoid, child support, taxes, or any other bills.
How about the Georgia lottery paying the darn money in full instead of getting involved in private matters deducting money they shouldn't. That's a civil issue for the courts and the parties affected to resolve.
Money owe to the government and child support are criminal matters not civil.
This is so true the patels even win cars from the ga lottery
Stack47,
Interesting article here on Regulation 6A:
Regulation 6A - Nevada State Casinos
By Sean Toth
[URL]http://wagerweb.com[/URL
Contributing Writer
Well, it took awhile, but the federal government has "invaded" Las Vegas and has intimidated all the casinos into repealing a regulation -- one that has made Vegas a great place for those who like to gamble relatively large sums of money -- in the name of fighting terrorism. I'm talking about Regulation 6A.
Under Regulation 6A, Nevada state casinos were required to track cash transactions of as little as $3,000 or more and report anyone whose cash transactions exceed $10,000 to the U.S. Department of Treasury.
With the federal change, however, casinos with $1 million and over in annual gross gaming revenue will be subject to the same federal reporting requirements as casinos with $10 million and over in annual gaming revenue, the reporting threshold under Regulation 6A.
With the threshold lowered, that information could be accessed by many more people now than before and may even be accessed by the public. And this opens such information up for all types of potential abuse.
And what may be even more troubling is that the Nevada gaming officials didn't put up much of a fight at all, taking less than 10 minutes to eliminate the state's money laundering regulation and acknowledging that the feds had taken over the tracking of large cash transactions from the state.
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When this first started it caused a lot of beefs. Players were very suspicious of the casinos 'all of a sudden' wanting personal information from them. One of the big attractions of Vegas for a lot of people was that if you made a score it was nobody's business. Then this.
In some cases they aren't purchasing tickets but getting out of the trash or off tables. I was in a store a few months ago and saw a cashier get left over tickets and scratch the bar code to see if they were winners. Thats why I always take my tickets with me to make sure. I've picked up tickets in TN(some retailers have lock boxes in stores that they get the tics and put them in a bag so I know they are taking those home) and keyed them in for second chance drawings and they've been a winner not big but something. I'll never leave my tickets and I advise other because retailers will find them and turn them in.
"Not applicable"?
Follow the money.
Surprising that you didn't choose GormlessHunter as your member name...
jimmy6146,
"Not Applicable" inasmuch as private business is none of the governments concern.
Should we ask the person selling us a cell, a car, a lawnmower, or having a garage sale, if they owe child support and refuse to do business with them for that reason? Does Nazi Germany teach you nothing?
You follow the money. If you do half the research or knew half as much as you think you do about this particular law, you would know it is not about the children as you claim, but all about making money for the state.
The state collects child support. Its put it in a an account that draws interest. Does one single child see any of this interest? NO!
For every dollar collected by the state they receive matching funds from the federal government. Does any child, anywhere in this country see one single federal dollar passed on to him or her? NO!
Parents who are in arrears in child support often find themselves in federally funded jails. For each night they sit in that cell the federal government pays the county $100. Its a six month sentence by federal guidelines which means the county is going to receive $18,000.
But if the federal government paid that $100 to the parent with custody, the sentences would be less than half in most cases.
How is passing millions of dollars between the federal, state, and county governments helping the children?
Yeah, I have raised this issue with district attorneys, state attorney generals, US attorney generals, governors, representatives, and the US Justice Department. Seems to me if government wanted to help these kids they would take all this money they are passing between each other and divvy it up between the kids. Why won't they do that?
Because this law is not about helping children. Its about maintaining a cash flow for government. Bill Bradley and Orin Hatch both explained this. Where were you?
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