Wisconsin man repeats same feat of winning multiple lottery jackpots

Feb 5, 2015, 8:39 am (42 comments)

Wisconsin Lottery

By Todd Northrop

MADISON, Wisc. — Last week, the Wisconsin Lottery announced that three SuperCash! winning tickets had been sold in Dane County.

Amazingly, all three winning lottery tickets were purchased by the same person from three different stores.

But the real jaw-dropping part?  He's done this before.

Verlyn Adamson of Mount Horeb, Wisconsin, is the lucky winner of all three top prizes from the Monday, January 26 SuperCash! daily lotto game.  His winning tickets matched all six numbers of 3, 10, 15, 23, 26, and 34.

Adamson purchased his lucky tickets at three different locations:

  • Kwik Trip — 7583 West Mineral Point Road in Verona
  • Kwik Trip — 525 Springdale Street in Mount Horeb
  • Cenex Convenience Store — 1225 Hwy 18/151 in Mount Horeb

After taxes, Adamson received a payment of $707,175.39.

This is the second time that Adamson has won multiple top prizes of $350,000 playing SuperCash! The last time this happened was in August 2008 when he won on four different tickets, pocketing $995,000 after taxes.

(See Wisconsin couple win in lottery -- again!, Lottery Post, Aug. 22, 2008.)

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

Each store Adamson purchased a winning ticket from receives a $7,000 retailer incentive (or 2% of the total prize won on the ticket purchased).

SuperCash! is a daily lotto game played only in Wisconsin.  Players try to match the six randomly drawn winning numbers drawn each night from a field of 39 numbers for a chance to win prizes of $1, $30, $500, and the top prize of $350,000.  Players can also select the doubler feature at no additional cost.  When the doubler is drawn, every prize doubles (excluding the top prize).

Thanks to JustJim for the tip.

Lottery Post Staff

Comments

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Sometimes I play All or Nothing like this to win $500,000 instead of $250,000. It's expensive at $2 a ticket.

Supercash is 2 plays for a buck. That's a bargain for $350,000 that's not parimutuel.

Bleudog101

Two plays for a buck, that's unheard of these days.  And not the dreaded para-mutuel as well?   The cat is out of the bag on this one and Wisconsin will probably re-evaluate and 'change the matrix'; in other words, figure out a way to rip-off the lottery player.

ThatScaryChick's avatarThatScaryChick

Wow, Verlyn is a very lucky guy. Congrats to him! Yes Nod

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

When it rains, it pours. Congrats to you.

MommieDearest's avatarMommieDearest

This just reaffirms for me that these games cannot be completely random. You've got a mathematician in Tx

that breaks the games and wins several jackpots in just 5 years. Another man in Canada that breaks the

jackpot several times in 5 years again (all drawing games).

 

Especially with computerized games, it simply cannot be 100% random. So now it's just a matter of cracking

it like this guy did. I'm happy for the guy personally, just wish I could do the same. lol

PrinceRene

SuperCash! is rigged for southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin always wins!

The Wisconsin lottery uses computerized lottery terminals, if no winning ticket is sold in southern Wisconsin, they let the jackpot roll again. Banana

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Nice!  Congrats to the winner!  Gotta love those predictable computerized draws.Party

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

A lot of good that's going to do, once it's patented do he really think he will be the only one allowed to play the game that way?  Or that the state won't change or eliminate the game? 

If this is another situation like Massachusetts had with its Windfall game then he would be better off doing like the Michigan couple who took advantage of the situation before it ended.

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

A lot of good that's going to do, once it's patented do he really think he will be the only one allowed to play the game that way?  Or that the state won't change or eliminate the game? 

If this is another situation like Massachusetts had with its Windfall game then he would be better off doing like the Michigan couple who took advantage of the situation before it ended.

I don't like the sound of that news.  I will have to work on winning on super cash before it gets screwed up, or even worse eliminated.

Lildarryl

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

A lot of good that's going to do, once it's patented do he really think he will be the only one allowed to play the game that way?  Or that the state won't change or eliminate the game? 

If this is another situation like Massachusetts had with its Windfall game then he would be better off doing like the Michigan couple who took advantage of the situation before it ended.

3-1-4-1-4-1 .    Is his width pattern

 

Got idea from pumpi

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by pickone4me on Feb 5, 2015

I don't like the sound of that news.  I will have to work on winning on super cash before it gets screwed up, or even worse eliminated.

Now that someone who has actually won several jackpots says there is a formula for picking winning combinations the theory has some creditability and there will be others like you trying to do the same thing.

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Now that someone who has actually won several jackpots says there is a formula for picking winning combinations the theory has some creditability and there will be others like you trying to do the same thing.

Actually I followed that game for a while,  keeping track of what was and wasn't being played.  But I haven't been keeping up with it.  Keep in mind, this is a computerized draw,  the big MM and PB are not.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by pickone4me on Feb 5, 2015

Actually I followed that game for a while,  keeping track of what was and wasn't being played.  But I haven't been keeping up with it.  Keep in mind, this is a computerized draw,  the big MM and PB are not.

How do you keep track of what's being played?  The website only post what's being drawn.

Also there is a big difference in odds of a 6/39 game and 5/75+1/15 and 5/59+1/35 games.

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

How do you keep track of what's being played?  The website only post what's being drawn.

Also there is a big difference in odds of a 6/39 game and 5/75+1/15 and 5/59+1/35 games.

I keep track of what numbers are out. 

 

This is how I do it

Nov 27 3 17 19 20 21 25 26 29 35 38

Nov 28 3 17 19 20 21 25 26 29 38

nov 29 3 17 20 34 38

nov 30 3 8 17 20 38

dec 1 3 4 8 12 16 17 20 38

dec 2 3 8 12 13 16 17 20 38

dec 3 3 6 8 12 13 16 17

dec 4 3 6 8 12 13 14 16 17 32

dec 5 2 3 6 8 11 13 14 17 23 35

dec 6 2 3 6 8 11 14 17 29 35

dec 7 2 5 6 8 11 14 17 25 29 35 37

dec 8 2 5 10 11 14 17 19 25 28 29 30 37

dec 9 2 5 11 14 17 19 25 28 29 30 34 36 37

dec 10 2 5 11 14 17 19 25 28 31 34 36 37

dec 11 2 5 14 15 17 20 25 27 28 31 34 36 37 38

dec 12 2 5 15 20 25 27 28 31 34 37

dec 13 2 12 15 20 23 25 28 31 37

dec 14 2 3 13 20 23 25 28 31

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Adamson's attorney said in a statement that a mathematical equation was used to pick the numbers, and they are exploring patent protection for the trade secret.

A lot of good that's going to do, once it's patented do he really think he will be the only one allowed to play the game that way?  Or that the state won't change or eliminate the game? 

If this is another situation like Massachusetts had with its Windfall game then he would be better off doing like the Michigan couple who took advantage of the situation before it ended.

Even when everyone playing the Massachusetts Windfall game knew of its flaws most couldn't afford to gamble the amount needed to take advantage of them.  I suspect the same may be true in this case.  Nothing was mentioned about the amount of money Adamson spent on tickets.  In spite of winning multiple jackpots he might be doing good to just break even.

Gleno's avatarGleno

Clever trick on his part buying three separate tickets. That must be one awesome equation.

Wink

HaveABall's avatarHaveABall

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Even when everyone playing the Massachusetts Windfall game knew of its flaws most couldn't afford to gamble the amount needed to take advantage of them.  I suspect the same may be true in this case.  Nothing was mentioned about the amount of money Adamson spent on tickets.  In spite of winning multiple jackpots he might be doing good to just break even.

I Agree!, RJOh!  Type

Artist77's avatarArtist77

I agree with others that if I had a formula/algorithm, I would make certain some family and friends also won as well. The lottery will make some odd change now. 

There are two winners on the VA website who won VA cash 5 ($ 100,000) and then played the same numbers again for a year or two and the same numbers won again and so did they. I wonder how unusual this is statistics wise????

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by Gleno on Feb 5, 2015

Clever trick on his part buying three separate tickets. That must be one awesome equation.

Wink

Why did he play the same numbers in 3 locations vs 3 tickets at one location?

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Feb 5, 2015

Why did he play the same numbers in 3 locations vs 3 tickets at one location?

He probably was playing more than just a few combinations.  If you were playing a hundred combinations or more, would you play them three times at the same place?  Beside if you have no personal interest in a particular retail store why not spread the wealth around when you win.

Kola's avatarKola

Quote: Originally posted by MommieDearest on Feb 5, 2015

This just reaffirms for me that these games cannot be completely random. You've got a mathematician in Tx

that breaks the games and wins several jackpots in just 5 years. Another man in Canada that breaks the

jackpot several times in 5 years again (all drawing games).

 

Especially with computerized games, it simply cannot be 100% random. So now it's just a matter of cracking

it like this guy did. I'm happy for the guy personally, just wish I could do the same. lol

I agree. 

I just wish that his lawyer(and he) didn't have to broadcast that it was a mathematical algorithm. They could have quietly gone about the business of getting their patent. This way you don't give lottery officials even the slightest incentive to change the matrix of the game. Then again, maybe it's okay to broadcast it, especially because officials may not believe such formulas truly exist.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Kola on Feb 5, 2015

I agree. 

I just wish that his lawyer(and he) didn't have to broadcast that it was a mathematical algorithm. They could have quietly gone about the business of getting their patent. This way you don't give lottery officials even the slightest incentive to change the matrix of the game. Then again, maybe it's okay to broadcast it, especially because officials may not believe such formulas truly exist.

Even if this guy had a patent on his algorithm, it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.  No one can keep others from playing a set of combinations with a patent. 

Companies like G-tech and others have studied lotteries for a long time and know that certain patterns repeat but short of playing every possible combination no one can guarantee the out come of a random drawing and trying to do so is a gamble that is more likely to be lost with payouts calculated to do just that.  It's seldom that a player can make a profit even playing all the possible combinations.

Turbo996

I look upon the announcement there is something patentable about this guy winning the lottery as some kind of prelude to him selling a how to get rich playing the lottery book or some kind of playing package/kit that will be advertised on late night paid programming TV until the end of time.

Kind of like someone claims to have discovered the way to make a fortune in say flipping houses (buying penny stocks, etc.) and offers to sell you the secret even provide financing all I'm sure at a hefty profit and not from the goodness in his heart.

If I truly had a secret (but legal) way to win the lottery I'd probably keep it to myself and use it sparingly. But I'd probably never work again.

OTOH, while I do not know how the game in question works if it is based on a computer generated random number generator he may have hit upon the  pattern. Random number generators are for the most part pseudo-random. There are some, not many, but some individuals who have a real ability to recognize these patterns or develop a feel for the algorithm that produces the random number sequence. (There was just the last couple of days a story about a retired man, a gas station attendant/janitor in Vermont, who was very good at picking stocks and when he recently died left $6M. Kind of the same thing.)

There is also the issue of like say the game of Blackjack if one can count cards he can know that some cards are "due" to come up. (This ignores the changes to the game that have made counting cards even less successful even if one can find a place to play that would allow this -- none due that I know of -- or is willing to risk being found out by the casino security staff.) If the game relies upon a fixed set of numbers one might recognize some numbers are due, so to speak. There is of course the issue of these numbers still representing a huge number of possible combinations, but the odds are better. If one has the financial resources to play a significant number of plays. 'course there is the saying which is about the stock market but applies here: The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

The lottery game can stay (pseudo-) random a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 5, 2015

Even if this guy had a patent on his algorithm, it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on.  No one can keep others from playing a set of combinations with a patent. 

Companies like G-tech and others have studied lotteries for a long time and know that certain patterns repeat but short of playing every possible combination no one can guarantee the out come of a random drawing and trying to do so is a gamble that is more likely to be lost with payouts calculated to do just that.  It's seldom that a player can make a profit even playing all the possible combinations.

The guy said he was going to patent his algorithm when he and his wife both had two winning tickets in the same drawing in 2008. The thing is, his wife said then, she had played the same set of numbers for years. With 1,631,312 possible combinations, 6 1/2 years in between wins, and no idea how much he spent on each drawing, I'm betting he got very lucky.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Turbo996 on Feb 5, 2015

I look upon the announcement there is something patentable about this guy winning the lottery as some kind of prelude to him selling a how to get rich playing the lottery book or some kind of playing package/kit that will be advertised on late night paid programming TV until the end of time.

Kind of like someone claims to have discovered the way to make a fortune in say flipping houses (buying penny stocks, etc.) and offers to sell you the secret even provide financing all I'm sure at a hefty profit and not from the goodness in his heart.

If I truly had a secret (but legal) way to win the lottery I'd probably keep it to myself and use it sparingly. But I'd probably never work again.

OTOH, while I do not know how the game in question works if it is based on a computer generated random number generator he may have hit upon the  pattern. Random number generators are for the most part pseudo-random. There are some, not many, but some individuals who have a real ability to recognize these patterns or develop a feel for the algorithm that produces the random number sequence. (There was just the last couple of days a story about a retired man, a gas station attendant/janitor in Vermont, who was very good at picking stocks and when he recently died left $6M. Kind of the same thing.)

There is also the issue of like say the game of Blackjack if one can count cards he can know that some cards are "due" to come up. (This ignores the changes to the game that have made counting cards even less successful even if one can find a place to play that would allow this -- none due that I know of -- or is willing to risk being found out by the casino security staff.) If the game relies upon a fixed set of numbers one might recognize some numbers are due, so to speak. There is of course the issue of these numbers still representing a huge number of possible combinations, but the odds are better. If one has the financial resources to play a significant number of plays. 'course there is the saying which is about the stock market but applies here: The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

The lottery game can stay (pseudo-) random a lot longer than you can stay solvent.

If his wife hadn't said she played the same set of number for years when they won on four tickets in 2008, I might believe there was a system, but while winning twice in 6 1/2 years is extraordinary, I don't see any "change the matrix" system.

Have no idea of how many players overall do it, but I do know some that play the same numbers multiple times in small and large jackpot games. Winning the jackpots is another story.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by PrinceRene on Feb 5, 2015

SuperCash! is rigged for southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin always wins!

The Wisconsin lottery uses computerized lottery terminals, if no winning ticket is sold in southern Wisconsin, they let the jackpot roll again. Banana

Excellent!

Scared    Green laugh

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by PrinceRene on Feb 5, 2015

SuperCash! is rigged for southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin always wins!

The Wisconsin lottery uses computerized lottery terminals, if no winning ticket is sold in southern Wisconsin, they let the jackpot roll again. Banana

LOL!

Seattlejohn

Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one.  If he's playing a wheeling system, he can slightly improve his odds... but there's no algorithm that can improve his odds as much as he's intimating.  Time for an investigation...

user71926's avataruser71926

Quote: Originally posted by Seattlejohn on Feb 6, 2015

Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one.  If he's playing a wheeling system, he can slightly improve his odds... but there's no algorithm that can improve his odds as much as he's intimating.  Time for an investigation...

Agreed!  Or possibly he's one of those strange folks who figured they will win for sure but wants certain stores to gain from the win as well just in case.  This may sound funny, but I choose certain favorite groceries stores to purchase my tickets when I'm at a winning hunch.   But, Wow wow... second time Wi SuperCash won by some formulas?!  Punching in my numbers now!

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Quote: Originally posted by Coin Toss on Feb 5, 2015

Excellent!

Scared    Green laugh

Supercash is a fixed jackpot.

PrinceRene

Quote: Originally posted by pickone4me on Feb 6, 2015

Supercash is a fixed jackpot.

And who always wins the fixed jackpots? Liberal infested southern Wisconsin that's who! Milwaukee is literally practically a little California Crazy

pickone4me's avatarpickone4me

Quote: Originally posted by PrinceRene on Feb 6, 2015

And who always wins the fixed jackpots? Liberal infested southern Wisconsin that's who! Milwaukee is literally practically a little California Crazy

Oh I see, that is what I thought,  I took the bait and you trolled me on purpose.  Maybe you should read my other replies in this topic, instead of bringing crap up from another game I comment on.  Badger 5 and supercash are completely different.  Too bad you california people can't tell the difference.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Seattlejohn on Feb 6, 2015

Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one.  If he's playing a wheeling system, he can slightly improve his odds... but there's no algorithm that can improve his odds as much as he's intimating.  Time for an investigation...

"Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one." 

Are those odds of quadrillions to one an actual calculation of just a figure you made up?

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

He already won in the past, just like hundreds or thousands of other players in the almost 24 year history of the game. His odds of winning again are 1 in 1.63 million, just like it is for the hundreds or thousands of other players who won in the past, every time he buys a ticket. Since it's a daily game there's a very good chance he's played it almost every one of the 2340 or so days since his first win. If he only played one combination on each of those days his odds of winning again would be 2340 in 1.63 million, or a bit better than 1 in 700. If he played multiple combinations his odds of winning again would be even better.

It's been a bit more than 8600 days since the first person won the game, so if they've continued to play 1 ticket for each drawing there's better than a 1 in 200 chance that they would have won again. Assuming most of the people who have won in the last 24 years continued to play it's a virtual certainty that at least one previous winner would have won again.

He may honestly think he's got an algorithm that worked, but he's just a beneficiary of probability doing exactly what it can be expect to do.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 6, 2015

"Sorry, something smells here; the odds of him winning twice are quadrillions to one." 

Are those odds of quadrillions to one an actual calculation of just a figure you made up?

Quadrillion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quadrillion may mean either of the two numbers (see long and short scales for more detail):

1,000,000,000,000,000 (one thousand million million; SI prefix peta-) for all short scale countries (U.S.)

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one million million million million; SI prefix: yotta-) for all long scale countries (U.K.)

The odds of matching 6 in a 6/39 game are 1:3,262,623
The odds of matching 6 in a 6/39 game twice are 1:3,262,623 x 3,262,623 or 1:10,644,708,840,129

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Congratulations Mr. Verlyn  Thumbs Up

Gleno's avatarGleno

The Adamson equation with six variables(?)  to work with sounds like a real mind bender, but it proved him right in his mathematical genius.

Thinking of...

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Feb 6, 2015

Quadrillion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quadrillion may mean either of the two numbers (see long and short scales for more detail):

1,000,000,000,000,000 (one thousand million million; SI prefix peta-) for all short scale countries (U.S.)

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (one million million million million; SI prefix: yotta-) for all long scale countries (U.K.)

The odds of matching 6 in a 6/39 game are 1:3,262,623
The odds of matching 6 in a 6/39 game twice are 1:3,262,623 x 3,262,623 or 1:10,644,708,840,129

Those might be the odds against for someone who never won, but the odds for somebody who won a jackpot is 3,262,623 to 1.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Those would be the odds for somebody who owns one set of lines on a ticket they shared with somebody else. For all of the normal people who buy a ticket of their own the odds for each play are 1 in 1.63 million.

MillionsWanted's avatarMillionsWanted

The way he calculates which lines to play is perhaps patentable.

If you got a high enough IQ perhaps you can find out the calculation if you compare his 2008 win and the 2015 win.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Must not work very often, twice in around eight years for a daily game.  I would say that they

have changed the RNG's code at least a couple times between the wins.  The odds are the same

each time we play and winning one JP does not increase or decrease your odds of ever winning

another.

RL

larry3100's avatarlarry3100

I don't believe in any algorithm for solving the problem on how to win the lottery. The odds are always the same. The odds on winning the Powerball game is 175 million to one. No one can make some mathematical equation on to some computer and somehow come up with the winning numbers to win on the lottery. Nonsense!

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