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Kidzmom asked for a cooperative effort to win a jackpot game.  Read the responses.  Very few of them have offered anything "cooperative" to achieve that goal.

Negativity breeds negativity. 

While many of the posts didn't seem "cooperative", they were "protective".  Some predictors have their unscientific quirks and hunches about predicting that they aren't willing to debate, posting their predictions is as "cooperative" as they get.

Very true, RJOh.  In any paimutuel gambling endeavor this will be the case.  That's why I like the daily games and why those forums are so full of helpful information and cooperation to win the game.  It's simply us against them.  The greed involved in a parimutuel game pits us against each other and them. 

The lotteries are smarter than the average bear.

Much of the helpful information about the daily pick3 and pick4 games come from players who may have won or will win those games top prizes but the top prizes are $50 to $10,000, so even if someone believes he is in a gambling endeavor with other members there is no expectation of sharing anything but numbers.  With jackpots of $100M+, it's hard to treat PB and MM the same way, if someone was in a group sharing numbers and actually won a jackpot a big misunderstanding might be exposed.

The greed involved in a parimutuel game pits us against each other and them. 

 I don't believe we're actually pitted against one another, Rick.  Some of us are sort of Internet 'friends', or simpatico acquaintances off LP, and we've frequently either helped, or attempted to help one another regarding jackpot games.

If I ever get any better at predicting jackpot games those are certainly the ones I'll do my best to help in the future.

If I've seemed 'uncooperative' or protective on this thread it's because any numbers I'd have provided would have been worthless.  I'm lousy at PB and MM.

But if I were great at it, I'd still see no reason to post numbers on a thread such as this one, even if I were involved in a group working on the problem, which I'll never be.

I'd far rather 'help' folks who are as nearly friends as anyone's likely to get online, more-or-less exclusively.  If I was good at jackpot games and I wanted to do some charity work I'd buy an extra ticket with my numbers on it and give it to some guy living under a bridge.

This entire thread is based on the premise that none of us can come up with winning jackpot numbers alone, that we need a group.  It might be so.  I wish anyone well who believes it, and I hope their participation results in a jackpot for themselves and for those who've contributed nothing to the effort except a request (or demand) that it be done.

I just don't happen to be one who believes it's true one person can't do it alone, nor that if it required a group, there's any reason to do it on a public forum.

But I'm glad the thread happened and some minimal attempt was made by others.  It's certainly been interesting.

J

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Yes Jack, it has been interesting and time not wasted.  I don't play these games for the same reason as you...I'm lousy at it.  But that's not to say that a group of people couldn't put their best numbers on the table and with a tool like deflate, come up with the most common numbers among the group.  I think it could work, at least to get a few bucks back from the game more often than not.  Too many different angles of attack to preclude that scenario.

Working together doesn't necessarily mean divulging secrets or splitting jackpots.  And working alone doesn't mean you can't win alone.  People are doing it all the time.

Consensus numbers for 8-12-06 PowerBall Challenge:

8

18

26

32

6-15-20-23-34-35-46-47 (8-way tie for fifth number)

PB: 19 (1st choice)

      28 (2nd choice)

Draw numbers for 8-12-06: 13-14-18-27-54,  PB: 32

Consensus picks hit white ball 18 only.

A consensus of the PowerBall Challengers is not a consensus of the top Multi-State games predictors.  I was looking at the top 10 predictors list and that list is a whole different list when it's regenerated by state or/and game type.  Maybe taking a consensus of the top predictors of the game type or/and state that you're playing will get better results.  Just a thought I'm throwing out there.