All times shown are Eastern Time (GMT-5:00) | Home -> Forums -> Mathematics -> Quick Picks can't match the power of Self Picks Zeta Reticuli Star System United States Member #30849 January 17, 2006 6992 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 6, 2007, 2:12 am - IP Logged | |
I don't mean to get between 2 posters that I like but I do have an opinion. It didn't take me long after becoming a member to realize that people on this forum tend to do much better than normal lottery players that choose quick-picks. Coin Toss, if I understand this thread at all, I believe it is not about showing a profit per se. It is simply a question of which gives you more winning tickets - and self-picks wins as far as I am concerned. You seem to be saying that self-picks do not show a profit - and you might be right - but this isn't some kind of system to profit from either quick-picks or self-picks. It is just a comparison of 2 ways of buying a ticket and determining which gives you more winning numbers. One can only hope that when you get more winners, even without showing a profit that with a little luck, you will get that one that gives you the profit eventually. truecritic Well I guess I'm a different breed of cat than a lot of people here then because looking at any lottery jackpot game as anything other than a $1 lark that might "run a toothpick into a lumber yard" is economic suicide. This is a huge board with a lot of lurkers and considering that the title of this thread is deceptive. People checking out this board aren't looking for "ingenius" ways of hitting 3, 4, and 5 out of 6 or 3 or 4 out of 5 + 1 games. Justxploring You may have inadvertenly came yup with the sig of the year! "There's no such thing as a 'normal' lottery player" It's Lotto, not horseshoes or artillery! Close doesn't count! I sell everything at a loss but make up for it in volume - Milo Minderbinder, Catch-22 There are two kinds of jackpot winners...the ones who remained anonymous and the ones that wish they had.
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Michigan United States Member #22730 September 24, 2005 1575 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 6, 2007, 2:14 am - IP Logged | |
people on this forum tend to do much better than normal lottery players that choose quick-picks. True Critic - are you talking about all games, including the jackpot games or only the pick-3 and pick-4 games? Has anyone ever picked all of the PB or MM numbers or even 5/5 or all 6 numbers in a state lottery? Just curious. BTW, there's no such thing as a 'normal' lottery player.  I struggled with a choice of a word other than "normal" - I mean to simply imply people that I see on the street/stores that play quick picks. Although they did not bet money, yes, people on here have had winning numbers for Jackpot games. Off the top of my head, couldn't tell you who (LottoMike?) (Jack or maybe Win D?). Sure they might have been part of that group you mention, that chose 100s of numbers, but they did hit.
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Zeta Reticuli Star System United States Member #30849 January 17, 2006 6992 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 6, 2007, 1:26 pm - IP Logged | |
"but they did hit." Well, they woulda hit- you bet your mind uyou lose your mind. This "winning" while actually showing a loss brings a character in Catch-22 to mind, I think it was Milo Minderebinder. Milo decided to go into business for himself on the black market, and was getting everything he could get his hands on and selling it at a loss. Yossrian asked him how he could sell every item at a loss and make a profit and Milo said, "I make it up in volume." Good luck everyone. It's Lotto, not horseshoes or artillery! Close doesn't count! I sell everything at a loss but make up for it in volume - Milo Minderbinder, Catch-22 There are two kinds of jackpot winners...the ones who remained anonymous and the ones that wish they had.
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NY United States Member #24178 October 16, 2005 2127 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 6, 2007, 3:48 pm - IP Logged | |
Yes, and there are games that were won where the total score was comprised of only field goals. From what I can read, it is you who are not understanding it. I understand it just fine. He never said it isn't theoretically possible, but you haven't claimed to turn a profit, which would be the analogy to winning with nothing but field goals. If what you "win" is less than what you bet, you lose. You're free to think that you're doing well or that you're getting closer, but you're deluding yourself if you think you're winningwhen you aren't even breaking even. | | |
NY United States Member #24178 October 16, 2005 2127 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 6, 2007, 3:50 pm - IP Logged | |
No, actually you are another who isn't understanding the point being made. You need to read and COMPREHEND the subject matter. The statement: " but what you're also missing is that even $50 per drawing gives you statistics that are meaningless in a game with half a million or more combinations." is a meaningless irrelevant statement to the subject at hand. Have you heard of an election "poll"? How are polls done? Do they call everybody? No they don't, they take a sample. They derive conclusions out to the millions from a few hundred to a few thousand. This test is similar, if the same number of self-picks are played against the same number of QP's, an equivalent test is made. It's not at all meaningless, and though you seem to have missed it, by bringing up election polls you're acknowledging with my point. Election polls typically look at thousands of voters. A poll of a few hundred has a margin of error that's bigger than the split in typical elections, and therefore offers no useful information. If you want statistics that are valid you'll need to look at a few thousand QP's and self picks side by side. | | |
The Mathematical Alpha Geek West Concord, MN United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 2219 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 7, 2007, 4:40 am - IP Logged | |
Below is the final tally for Experiment 1 and following is the early results for Experiment 2. Experiment 2 is approaching the number selection a little differently. I ask that many of you interested in this post and those of you mildly interested please pay close attention to the WI Badger 5. This post is going to morph into something amazing. | Experiment 1 | | Data Stream Chrono | Badger 5 Selected | Wheel Numbers Derived from Previous Day Selection | Wheel Distribution of Matched Numbers | | Index | Year | Month | Day | A | B | C | D | E | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | | 0 | 2007 | 10 | 4 | 1 | 16 | 19 | 22 | 24 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | | 1 | 2007 | 10 | 5 | 6 | 24 | 25 | 28 | 31 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 50 | | | | | | | 2 | 2007 | 10 | 6 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 27 | 28 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | | 12 | 25 | 10 | 3 | | | 3 | 2007 | 10 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 14 | 28 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 29 | 21 | | | | | | 4 | 2007 | 10 | 8 | 6 | 17 | 23 | 25 | 31 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 15 | 28 | 7 | | | | | 5 | 2007 | 10 | 9 | 4 | 7 | 15 | 27 | 28 | 15 | 16 | 17 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Experiment 2 does not rely on any previously drawn data. For the first 7 days, a wheel using 13 numbers for 50 play lines is used. The wheel will always have the exact same numbers plugged into it; they are {10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22}. After the initial 7 days, a randomly selected wheel with a different combinatorial set, the same numbers and number of play lines is used. There are a total set of 10 wheels numbered 0 to 9, as indicated by the W column in the Wheel and Match Data heading. When the selected lottery numbers match the wheel numbers, the quantity of correctly matched numbers is indicated the M column under the heading Wheel and Match Data. Each day's wheel will be posted in the Lottery Post's predictions board. | Experiment 2 | | Data Stream Chrono | Badger 5 Selected Numbers | Wheel and Match Data | Wheel Distribution of Matched Numbers | | Index | Year | Month | Day | A | B | C | D | E | W | M | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | | 1 | 2007 | 12 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 11 | 15 | 22 | 0 | 3 | 12 | 23 | 11 | 4 | | | | 2 | 2007 | 12 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 9 | 20 | 29 | 0 | 1 | 31 | 19 | | | | | | 3 | 2007 | 12 | 6 | 4 | 12 | 14 | 16 | 20 | 0 | 4 | 6 | 18 | 20 | 4 | 2 | | | 4 | 2007 | 12 | 7 | | | | | | 0 | | | | | | | | | 5 | 2007 | 12 | 8 | | | | | | 0 | | | | | | | | | 6 | 2007 | 12 | 9 | | | | | | 0 | | | | | | | | | 7 | 2007 | 12 | 10 | | | | | | 0 | | | | | | | | | 8 | 2007 | 12 | 11 | | | | | | 9 | | | | | | | | | 9 | 2007 | 12 | 12 | | | | | | 0 | | | | | | | | | 10 | 2007 | 12 | 13 | | | | | | 4 | | | | | | | |
Order is a Subset of Chaos. Knowledge is Beyond Belief.
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek West Concord, MN United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 2219 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 7, 2007, 4:46 am - IP Logged | |
Also, here are the actual payouts for the Wheel Distribution of Matched Numbers. Just multiply the amount by the number matched in the corresponding column of the Wheel Distribution of Matched Numbers. | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | | $0.00 | $0.00 | $1.00 | $2.00 | $50.00 | $10,000.00+ |
Order is a Subset of Chaos. Knowledge is Beyond Belief.
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek West Concord, MN United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 2219 Posts Offline | | Posted: December 10, 2007, 12:47 am - IP Logged | |
This post has morphed ---> http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/167260 Order is a Subset of Chaos. Knowledge is Beyond Belief.
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