Anybody Ever Win?

System sellers bring to mind the people on ebay and google ad words selling systems simply to make money off people who want to win the lottery.  They never won, maybe never played, maybe didn't write the sytem and stole it off a site like this or bought it with resale rights.  Even those who wrote their system, clearly wouldn't need to sell it if they had used it to win. 

We do need to divide the system seller from the lottery information seller who does research, works out new ideas, brings newbies up to speed, writes what amounts to a book on how to best play lotto.  I've never minded paying for a leg up. 

With lotto there is no code to be cracked because there is no hidden message to be discovered.  The scientific method requires the same result every time the experiment is preformed.  As the lottery has a different correct answer for every draw the scientific method isn't going to work.  All lottery methods not mechanical must by their nature be strategies that succeed or fail based upon the events that take place in the hopper. 

BobP


 

1) Some people here have won p5 games.

2) Anyone smart enough to write winning lottery software, is also smart enough to not be bothered with public sales.
Anyone willing to be bothered with public sales doesn't have to write winning lottery software, because they have plenty of people are buying their "product".

Ok. So if I understand correctly. 

1) Most people selling "systems" have never won....probably never even played

You think Gail Howard has ever won? 

 2) Those who may have some sort of software/system are probably doing so well that they don't need to be bothered with public sales. 

Gee Bob P.  I hope you are not right about your statement that "someone who gets three out of five is not close...or on the right track".  I mean just last night, I had three out of five in three separate games.  So I can attribute it to just luck?  I mean winning on a quick pick is luck..but when you win based on a tactical selection; that is all luck too?  Sadly, at the moment I guess I have to say your are right.  Even if I do win (5 of 5) I suppose folks will just attribute it to luck.....or the result of playing numerous tickets (which of course lower my odds)

FYI:  As many wheeling programs suggest, I have been parlaying my accumulative winnings over the last couple of weeks and played about 50 tickets to win the above.  Even if I lose it all with tonights pick, I'm still ahead and had fun doing it.

All number games are based on probablilty. Albert Einstein said there was no such thing as luck, only probabilities.

   Think of the lottery games like heads and tails, sooner or later, your number 'should' come out. Using hot and cold is a way of playing heads and tails. I played the pick 5 game last night and won 2 tickets with 3 of 5 and 2 tickets for free plays using hot and cold. If lottery games claim to be random, then hot and cold picks are the way to go. You just gotta find the right balance of hot and cold #'s and how many draws to go back to.

Good Luck,

Omniscient

There have been winners that have posted on here. Just do a search. Here is a poster who won the Ohio pick 5 jackpot: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/107103

Here is a poster who won $100,000 on Powerbal and Todd posted their ticket, but the ticket no longer shows up on the post. 

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/60483/73308 and http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/60487/73324

There are more who claim to have won, but they don't back up their claims with any proof.

LottoVantage said in a different thread:

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The way I prefer arriving at a set of numbers to wheel is to track my sum range chart and see where the winning number sums are congregating.

Then, the second part is in deciding which numbers I need for use in the wheel. There are all kinds of tricky formulas around to try, but formulas are always in constant change. How can you successfully manage that constant change?

The way I manage the change is to maintain an accurate up to date statistical flow chart. This chart indicates what numbers are hitting, what their status is at the time of the draw, and where they are located within a structured enviornment.

Once I created the proper charts, I began seeing that certain groups of numbers behaved in a peculiarly significant pattern. Two groups of numbers were created by dividing the statistical flow chart into an Upper Tier Group, and a Lower Tier Group of numbers.

Many times 4 or 5 numbers would appear in one particular group of numbers, and the very next drawing 4 or 5 numbers would appear in the other/opposite group of numbers. This peculiar pattern has been observed to occur for up to four or five continuous drawings in a row. There is one problem here. At certain times 4 or 5 numbers, (not necessarily the exact same numbers), appear again from within the same group of numbers as the previous drawing.

Now, this observation clicks a switch, doesn't it? If there is a particular pattern that commenly occurs involving a majority of numbers appearing in a certain group of numbers, and the observation has proved to re-occur repeatedly time after time where 4 or 5 numbers is going to re- appear the very next drawing in one group of numbers or the other, what would you do?

Exactly! You would wheel all of the numbers from each group of numbers and play them, wouldn't you?

Ooooooooh, wait! Ooooooooh, that's waaaaaaaay too many number strings to wager!!!

How can I possibly reduce all those strings down to an affordable amount to wager?

Question answered!!! This is what can be done to cover all the numbers from both groups, (Upper Tier, and Lower Tier).

Observe the Average Sum Chart! View where the last two or three total sums appeared at. If there is a Sum Cluster, or a Sum Cluster Alert nearby, these target sum range's may be considered.

Using 4if5 of 19, and 4if5 of 20 wheels to cover all the numbers, (in example, the OH Rolling Cash 5 of 39), and filtering the totals from each wheel using "average sum reductions."

For instance, using a 4if5 of 19 wheel, reduce the total 345 tic's by utilizing Sum Filtering. Reduce the range of 55 to 154 down to, say, 95 to 105. The median range for a 5/39 Lotto is 100. The reduction can be whatever appeals to you. I like viewing the Average Sum Graph and developing a "gut" feeling for what may happen next, for instance, utilizing the sum ranges outlined in the Sum Cluster, or Sum Cluster Alert boxes.

Once this technique is developed, you will be surprised at what is possible. This application can be practiced until a comfort level is achieved and you can become accomplished!

This is the way I do it...

The guy who said getting 3 of 5 isn't close wasn't me.  I was the guy who replied getting 4of5 means your odds dropped to 1 in 36 of getting all 5 correct because there are only 36 numbers from 5/40 remaining for the fifth position.

What really counts is how many of the winning numbers were among those you played.  If you had 3 of the winning numbers and won a 3# prize that's just a lucky break and nothing to get excited about.  If on the other hand you are playing a reduced field and getting all 5 winning numbers say among 15 or 20 and your wheel gave you what you paid for such as a 3# win guarantee that does show you're on the right track if you can keep it up.

Gail Howard to my knowledge never won a lottery jackpot for herself, but her players have credited her with wins.  Stever Player won a share of a small N.Y. lottery jackpot with other players in a group over twenty years ago.

Many people are driven to  play and write lottery software / systems because they need the money.  If the system / software sells well enough they no longer feel the need to play except to keep their hand in, the intense urge to conduct research to win dries up.

What happens with many of us, is we track several methods and sometimes find we won on paper (what Ken Silver - Honest Lotto System claims).   It's happened to me, but I'm not going to brag about it. Wait, let me take that back,  who am I kidding, I love to brag, I have won on paper, it is the most frustrating exasperating makes you crazy thing that happens with lotto short of winning a jackpot.

BobP

"there isn't one comment or question regarding my system"

Members may not ask questions about your system now but they probably do watch your prediction statistics to see how well you're doing using it.  Just keep making predictions and once you hit a few more winners, they will.

"If anyone ever came up with a system that breat a game, the game would simply no longer be offered to play." 

You assume beating the system is winning every time but even winning every time is unlikely to destroy a state lottery game because only 50% of its sales are used to pay the winners.  Beating the game to me is winning more than you spend on tickets and every time someone wins or share a jackpot, even once in a life time, they had done that and the game continue to exits.

Ohio Rolling Cash5 seldom roll more than a couple of times and it's played 7 days a week and has a minimum jackpot of $100K so if someone had a system that won say once a month, they could probably go unnoticed by the general public for quite a while.  I doubt if the lottery would mention their wins unless they thought it would increase sales.  I doubt after winning a couple of times any player with such a system first thoughts would be to sell it.

Most states are aware their games can be beaten and they expect it.  They set the prize amount low enough that it's economical to try.  Most players will have to settle for buying a few tickets and hoping to get lucky.

 "I have won on paper, it is the most frustrating exasperating makes you crazy thing that happens with lotto short of winning a jackpot."

Ahh but what is worse, winning on paper or playing and missing by just one number?  I often just miss on the 3 way #"s by one, such as todays midday in NY 892 hits, I had 819 & 889!!! And on Mega Mill I have hit 2 numbers and missed by 1# on the other 3 pic's!!!