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I can get closer to a win doing just all ODD/Evens
Stone Mountain*Georgia United States Member #837 November 2, 2002 6742 Posts Offline
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Hmmm RJOH.... ohio results are way below the normal expected hit rate of around 2% a year for ALL evens. Of course .... I am figuring draws 365 days a year too..... Different states may not draw each day. Still...the percents should stay the same regardless of draw amounts.
Curious ..... was the All ODD rate as bad as that one ...the evens?
The hit rate on those All ODDs ....should be averaging about 2.6 % a year.
Yeap... OHIO looked slow on their hits .... for all evens usning 1254 draws ..... they should have about 25 hits not just 20 hits
Looks like Ohio is averaging their hits about once every 50 days..... instead of about once a month. Thats why i was curious to see if the All ODD fellas were raising a fuss during that time for balance.
All odd rate during that time should be about 32 hits ..... average Was it ?
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mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 9269 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 5:03 pm - IP Logged |
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The odds of a 5/39 game are 1:575,757 unless you have all the winning numbers in a pool of 19 numbers(1:11,628).
When I look at the last 1254 drawings of Ohio Rolling Cash5, there were only 20 drawings with all even numbers and 177 drawings with 4 of 5 even numbers.
TOTAL HITS EVEN NUMBERS (OHIO ROLLING CASH5)
MATCH 0 = 37
MATCH 1 = 217
MATCH 2 = 428
MATCH 3 = 375
MATCH 4 = 177
MATCH 5 = 20
You can alway reduce the pool of numbers you play, but the chances that any of the combinations in that pool will match 4 or 5 is also reduced.
There is no special lottery software do what you want, you either write your own or learn to use a data analyzing program like Excel to do it. WIN D,
Ohio now have OhioCash5 every day of the week. Since I used all even numbers in the above, you can flip the results to get the answer for all odd numbers (20 numbers odds = 1:15504)/ there were 37 drawings with all odd numbers
You would probably be better off to find other ways to reduce your number pool, for example only using numbers that hit 5-7 times during the previous 50 drawings. When I applied this parameter to the Ohio Rolling Cash5 file the number pools were reduced to 8-27 numbers and had all 5 numbers 34 times.
07/04/08 - 05 11 20 26 27 (pool size 22 numbers)
06/04/08 - 02 04 17 19 33 (pool size 18 numbers)
04/11/08 - 01 02 03 09 36 (pool size 20 numbers)
TOTAL HIT USING NUMBERS THAT HIT 5-7 IN PREVIOUS 50 DRAWINGS (8-27 NUMBERS)
MATCH 0 = 57
MATCH 1 = 205
MATCH 2 = 374
MATCH 3 = 369
MATCH 4 = 167
MATCH 5 = 37
This was just a suggestion for an example, you would could find better parameters by experimenting. * Trying is the first step toward failure *
homer J. Simpson
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mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 9269 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 5:19 pm - IP Logged |
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I track all Ohio jackpot games but I usually only play RC5 when it's $300K+, I've been working on picking numbers for MegaMillions. I usually play 10-20 lines using a pool of 30-40 numbers without much luck yet even when I have four or more winning numbers in the pools. * Trying is the first step toward failure *
homer J. Simpson
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United States Member #13375 March 30, 2005 1100 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 6:20 pm - IP Logged |
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Still....... are there only 11,628 possible combinations total......in the pick 5 game 1-39 or not ?
Because at this point and knowledge level....thats what I needed. In my limited experience and no software....lower odds plays is all I have right now anyway.
RJOH.... are their similar odds reduction methods in the larger games that approach anywhere near the percentage reductions achieved here? Thanks The human mind sees the winner and the pattern. It's not so good at seeing all the losers in that same pattern. That's why being able to do even a little programming has value. You can test ideas far more complex than what you could do on paper, and detect and correct those flaws that would otherwise get by you. Prince of Insufficient Light ~ Ruler of Heck
"The Earth moves around the Sun." -- some 'crazy' guy, 1632
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Illinois United States Member #30849 January 17, 2006 3522 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 6:30 pm - IP Logged |
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All this strategy is interesting, however, so far in Illinois Little Lotto for 2008, also a 5/39 game, the results have been:
80 Jackpots
65 QP
43 PS
This includes shared jackpots. There's a jackpot an average of every 2.66 days, call it every third day, and as you see most of gone to quick picks.
As far as "odds reduction", in sp[orts betting it takes a winning percentage of 52.6% to overcome the bet 11 to win 10 vigorish, yet most people are losers.
Dice tables offer the only true odds bets that exist in all of gambling, yet most players are losers.
Granted in lotto the payoffs are much sweeter and it only takes one hit, but the house knows what it's doing.
As RJOh stated, the 5/39 odds are 1:575, 757.
In Illinois, the jackpot progresses starting at $100,000. No game operator is going to offer a $100,000 jackpot that's up against 11,000:1 odds. It's Lotto, not horseshoes or artillery! close doesn't count! I sell everything at a loss but make up for it in volume - Milo Minderbinder, Catch-22
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Stone Mountain*Georgia United States Member #837 November 2, 2002 6742 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 6:31 pm - IP Logged |
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Thanks RJOH .... I knew you would have some good insights on these. Thank for the effort there.
It was gratifying to find the number was 37 All odd hits during that time.... a little better than the expected math average we calculated up there of 32 hits. Still .... + or - about in range ....pretty good.
Between the All odds and All evens during that time we should have averaged 59 hits for both groups in Ohio.
That was also gratifying since the real world hits were totaled 62 hits .....as oppossed to what we calulated it to end up with as 59 hits .
Got within 3 hits ......over a 3.4 year period. 59 estimated 62 actual hits
Not to bad . This game has pretty good manners .... LOL
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Sunny SW Florida United States Member #25708 November 5, 2005 4080 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 6:59 pm - IP Logged |
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I can get closer to a win doing just all ODD/Evens
What the heck does this mean? I've gotten 4 out of 5 in Fantasy-5 (Florida) 6 times since Aug 07 and close doesn't count. You either win about $80-$100 bucks or you win the whole enchilada. There is no "close."
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Stone Mountain*Georgia United States Member #837 November 2, 2002 6742 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 7:35 pm - IP Logged |
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Oh , I think I understand where you are coming from justxploring . If, I read this correctly .....
Based on your experience and win record your saying ...
If you get 4 out of 5 numbers right in the Fantasy-5 (Florida) you win $80-100 bucks .....but, if you don't get all 5 of the numbers correct then you can not win the whole enchilada. You can win a little money if you get a few numbers, but that's not even close to winning the whole enchilada.
I understand.
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Sunny SW Florida United States Member #25708 November 5, 2005 4080 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 8:18 pm - IP Logged |
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I think that's the expression, although I prefer burritos & quesadillas.
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Stone Mountain*Georgia United States Member #837 November 2, 2002 6742 Posts Offline
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| Posted: July 31, 2008, 10:20 pm - IP Logged |
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For those interested in the math and statistics here are some universal truths. Not only for pick-5 but other lottery games as far the number pool you use ......and the possible combinations that that gives us.
* This demonstrates my orginal statement as to playing the All even/odd as opposed to Mixed numbers or quick picks.
This will make it obvious what playing a smaller number pool does to the possible combinations created. Note the All even pool .....of 19 numbers down there ....and the All odd combinations at 20 pool numbers.
Fact ...Lower is better 
If you play 5 number pool ......there is only 1 combination possible
6 number pool .....there is only 6 combinations
7 '' 21 combinations
8 " " 56 combos
9 ............................................126
10..........252
11..... 462
12 ....792
13.....1,297
14.....2,002
15....3003
16 ....4,368
17....6,199
18 ... 8,568
19.............. 11,628 all even combinations possible
20 ......... 15, 504 all odd combinations possible
21........20,349
22........26, 349
23....33,649
24.....42,594
25......53,130
26....65,790
27 .... 90,730
28..... 98,290
29......119,755
30......237,336
31....
32.....
35....
36......
37....... 435,897
38 ........ 501, 942
39....... 575, 757 total combinations using all 39 numbers.
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