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Posted: October 13, 2008, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

 I used to be a hardcore fundamentalist christian for 15 years.

 It was mid 2005 that I first had my dream telling me that I would win the lottery. I fell into a deep dillema. Why?

 Because 99% of Korean protestant churches (even ones in the US) demand tithe, based on Biblical verses. Many Korean churches demand 10% of your GROSS income no matter what. And many Korean christians willfully donate the tithe, believing that tithing is the key to the heaven's door.

 Avoiding tithing is a serious blasphemy, according to the Book of Malachi, FYI. So I worried about tithing after winning the lottery. If I win 40 million dollars, I would have to give 4 millions to a single church. That's what 99% of Korean pastors preach.

 But some traumatic and excruciating event drove away from christianity. Now my mom, who's a hardcore catholic who speaks in tongue and prophecize, strongly believes that I am possessed by devil. She strongly believes that all bad thoughts and behaviors are caused by evil spirits, not a person's own shortcomings.

 I am still going to university full-time and I live with my whole family. I think my mom will try to take control of my asset if I win a lottery jackpot, believing that I will be using the money for sinful purpose. If that happens, I will have to put my mom on restraining order. And I am not gonna give any break if she violates it.


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    Posted: October 13, 2008, 11:18 pm - IP Logged

    They should have a house of religion at Disnely land. It'll rival the haunted house there. The house of religion is far more scary. Lots of Ghouls blabbering unrecognizable words while having seizures right in front of you. 

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      Posted: October 13, 2008, 11:26 pm - IP Logged

      I was under the impression that you cannot "gamble" if you are a Christian?


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        Posted: October 13, 2008, 11:38 pm - IP Logged

        I was under the impression that you cannot "gamble" if you are a Christian?

        You can't gamble, but if priests can molest young boys....well.........The Vatican is there to help.

         

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          Posted: October 14, 2008, 12:06 am - IP Logged

          I was under the impression that you cannot "gamble" if you are a Christian?

          Playing the lotteries is not really gambling since you know you're not likely to win even before the drawings.

          * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
          * your best chance at winning a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
               Wink 

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            Posted: October 14, 2008, 6:51 am - IP Logged

            They should have a house of religion at Disnely land. It'll rival the haunted house there. The house of religion is far more scary. Lots of Ghouls blabbering unrecognizable words while having seizures right in front of you. 

            Scared

            Green laughI Agree!   Green laugh

             

            couldn't have put it better my self

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              Posted: October 14, 2008, 9:12 am - IP Logged

              "It was mid 2005 that I first had my dream telling me that I would win the lottery. I fell into a deep dillema. Why?"

              Did you win?  Maybe the problem is "Greed".

               

              "Because 99% of Korean protestant churches (even ones in the US) demand tithe, based on Biblical verses. Many Korean churches demand 10% of your GROSS income no matter what. And many Korean christians willfully donate the tithe, believing that tithing is the key to the heaven's door.

               Avoiding tithing is a serious blasphemy, according to the Book of Malachi, FYI. So I worried about tithing after winning the lottery. If I win 40 million dollars, I would have to give 4 millions to a single church. That's what 99% of Korean pastors preach."

               

              You got to read the whole bible, not parts.

               

              "But some traumatic and excruciating event drove away from christianity. Now my mom, who's a hardcore catholic who speaks in tongue and prophecize, strongly believes that I am possessed by devil. She strongly believes that all bad thoughts and behaviors are caused by evil spirits, not a person's own shortcomings."

               

              LOL my parents always told me I am possessed my devils.  Most parents call their children devils.

               

              "I am still going to university full-time and I live with my whole family. I think my mom will try to take control of my asset if I win a lottery jackpot, believing that I will be using the money for sinful purpose. If that happens, I will have to put my mom on restraining order. And I am not gonna give any break if she violates it."

              Don't worry your mommy can't touch your money if you win the lottery and of legal age.

              How old are you?

               

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                Posted: October 14, 2008, 10:55 am - IP Logged

                It was mid 2005 that I first had my dream telling me that I would win the lottery

                I had a dream once where I was supposed to sleep with Carmen Electra, but that hasn't happened yet either.  I feel your pain.

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                  Posted: October 14, 2008, 11:40 am - IP Logged

                  No offense...but i'm in the medical field and your mom sounds schizophrenic.  Maybe you should seek therapy.  Quite a large number of schizophrenics are hyper religious in that way; I wouldn't take what she says to heart.  If you are old enough to be in university your mom has no say over your finances, legally speaking.


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                    Posted: October 14, 2008, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

                    Well I think mom's and dad's just said that to keep you away from gambling.. Gambling is supposed to be a leisure reference, but if addicted?? That's the evil part I think your mom is saying.. you can't stop anymore. Also be careful as Greed might eat you up and there will be nothing left.. Wink

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                      Posted: October 16, 2008, 2:28 am - IP Logged

                      I am atheist Ambelamba so I'll try to just tell you what I think based on my experiences with my friend, who at one point was a pretty radical fundamentalist Christian.

                      If you no longer subscribe to the religion, I would recommend that you come to terms with it and ignore the tithing all together.  4 million out of 40 million would leave you with 36 million though...that is quite a bit of cash anyways.  Personally though, I believe tithing is a rule invented to perpetuate the religion.  It's genius.  Convince your followers that tithing is their god's will and they will be compelled to fork over any money they have.  How many people who make $1,000 or $2,000 a month in those churches do you suppose donate 100 or 200 a month?  Not too many I'm sure.  The reason is because in this day and age...an extra $100 or $200 a month bill could quite possibly lead you to being evicted or foreclosed on.  10% no matter what is nonsensical.

                      Your mother's beliefs may be strong but that doesn't mean you have to be ashamed of having a new worldview.  Just remember that morality is not confined to one religion.  Moral people come in all shapes, sizes, and backgrounds.  People are A to Z.  My good friend accused me of being possessed by demons and that was his explanation for my nonbelief in his religion...he ignored all of the arguments I made in support of my position.  We had to agree to disagree to salvage our friendship.  Since we did that, we are back to being great pals.  Your mom, if she loves you at all, will get a grip on her zeal and things will probably go back to normal.

                      If you are going to a university you are probably above 18 years of age.  In many states that is the legal age to play the lottery.  You are an adult at that point and control your own assets.  The only way I can think of for a family member to "take control" of assets would be to have you declared mentally incompetent (i.e. severely mentally disabled) and gain power of attorney...or you willingly gave her this power in writing.

                      Trust me my friend.  If you win $40 million your mom won't be the only person you'll have to get a restraining order for LOL

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                        It was mid 2005 that I first had my dream telling me that I would win the lottery

                        I had a dream once where I was supposed to sleep with Carmen Electra, but that hasn't happened yet either.  I feel your pain.

                        Skeptical

                        LOL

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                           I used to be a hardcore fundamentalist christian for 15 years.

                           It was mid 2005 that I first had my dream telling me that I would win the lottery. I fell into a deep dillema. Why?

                           Because 99% of Korean protestant churches (even ones in the US) demand tithe, based on Biblical verses. Many Korean churches demand 10% of your GROSS income no matter what. And many Korean christians willfully donate the tithe, believing that tithing is the key to the heaven's door.

                           Avoiding tithing is a serious blasphemy, according to the Book of Malachi, FYI. So I worried about tithing after winning the lottery. If I win 40 million dollars, I would have to give 4 millions to a single church. That's what 99% of Korean pastors preach.

                           But some traumatic and excruciating event drove away from christianity. Now my mom, who's a hardcore catholic who speaks in tongue and prophecize, strongly believes that I am possessed by devil. She strongly believes that all bad thoughts and behaviors are caused by evil spirits, not a person's own shortcomings.

                           I am still going to university full-time and I live with my whole family. I think my mom will try to take control of my asset if I win a lottery jackpot, believing that I will be using the money for sinful purpose. If that happens, I will have to put my mom on restraining order. And I am not gonna give any break if she violates it.

                          You are focusing on the wrongs things.

                          First, you have to understand that Tithing is all about obedience in your relationship to God. 

                          God does not need the money, he just want to know if we will be obedient in His instructions on what to do with money.  It is a reflection of your obedience to HIM.

                          God says to those who faithfully tithe, they bring food into HIS house (meaning that there is money for the churches to serve the community, its congregation etc.) and that it is an act of obedience to Him and that He will open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessings that is overflowing.  HE does not ask for the whole thing, just 10%!

                          .......... Which means you get to keep 90%........and this bothers you? 

                          ...If you were to win $40 million and tithe $4 million to the church....doesn't that leave you with $36 million??? (I not talking taxes, I'm just wanting to make a point here...)

                           If you are so afraid of letting go of something that you don't even have yet, your nightmare is starting already!!!!

                          You are already controlled by it!

                          Which brings me to my next point....

                          Instead of stressing over something that you don't even have yet........ shouldn't you be educating yourself on how to be a good steward over money? (This is another commandment in the bible as well)

                          The economy has shown itself to be unstable, you need to learn other investment option or at least look at firms and corporation who could help you navigate this "sudden event"should this dream come to pass......

                          If you really believe that dream....and that you are going to win.......put your faith into action....educate yourself on personal investments and money management.

                          And finally,

                          A reverential fear of God will always eliminate the fear of man.

                          My friend, your mother is the least of your problems......

                          You should try reading the book BOUNDARIES: When to Say "Yes", When to say "No" To Take Control of Your Life.    It is written by Dr. Henry Cloud and Dr. John Townsend.

                          You need to work on developing healthy boundaries in your relationship period.

                          If you REALLY believe something is going to happen, prepare for it now!

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                            Posted: October 16, 2008, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

                            Perfectiming2

                            Henry Cloud is a great author!

                            ambelamba

                            Even among those who claim to tithe 10%, nation wide the average tithe is

                            2 to 3 %, and that's as goosd as it gets- and that came from a pastor!

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Perfecttiming2 said it all about as well as Billy Graham could.

                              There is a CURSE given to anyone who does not tithe, as recorded in the book of Malachi.

                              You will NEVER HEAR this preached in any church here in America, but the tithe is to be

                              BEFORE TAXES etc. The bible says that God wants our FIRST FRUITS, and not our leftovers.

                              However, most Christians and Americans have indicated that a nice new, big home, new cars,

                              new clothes, neat vacation, vacation home, rv's, boats, motorcycles, stocks, bonds, and gold

                              and silver are more important than their relationship with God. Therefore, all they have left is

                              1-3% of their gross salary. I can speak with authority on the subject, because I was one of

                              these folks until I saw the light.  As to being a Christian and playing the lottery, some have the

                              freedom to play, and others do not. I have studied the bible since 1956, and I can only recall

                              several passages in the bible that pertain to gambling. One passage deals with the Cross. As Jesus

                              Christ was being crucified, the Roman soldiers were "casting lots" to determine who would win

                              his robe. On this web site, I go one step further. When someone shares a system with me, like Mazk did, and I win, I not only give 10% to the work of God(The Salvation Army, Make A Wish, Smile Train. etc.), but I give 10% of my winnings to the systems author. Recently I won $600 in Texas Pick 4 and

                              I gave Mazk $60, and $60 went to one of the above institutions.

                              If you feel gambling is wrong or evil, and you participate, then you are sinning.

                              If you feel gambling is not wrong or evil, then you have the freedom of playing, and you are not

                              sinning. Paul, the author of 2/3 of the bible, has a lot to say on the subject of sin and freedom.

                              In short, if it does not bring honor and glory to Jesus Christ, IT IS SIN PERIOD!!

                              If you are rebelling about giving God 10% of what he gives you, I PROMISE YOU - YOU WILL

                              NEVER WIN THE LOTTERY, AND YOU CAN GO TO THE BANK ON THAT!!!!!

                                Ephesians 3:20