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Many complex problems in math when math just began were not solve (time of the greeks for example), it took several centuries or 1 or 2 mileniun for them to be solved...Other math problems took: 100 years or 200 years to be solved....I remember hearing that in the last 20 years there have been: 3 problems from the: 1500´s that were solved....One of the mathematicians that solved it, turn down: a $1 Million reward prize...Some think he has mental problems...I read it on the internet...Modern lottery only has: either 20 years or 50 years from been created..

Do you think they will eventually solved the lottery....

The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


 


 


 

 


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    Many complex problems in math when math just began were not solve (time of the greeks for example), it took several centuries or 1 or 2 mileniun for them to be solved...Other math problems took: 100 years or 200 years to be solved....I remember hearing that in the last 20 years there have been: 3 problems from the: 1500´s that were solved....One of the mathematicians that solved it, turn down: a $1 Million reward prize...Some think he has mental problems...I read it on the internet...Modern lottery only has: either 20 years or 50 years from been created..

    Do you think they will eventually solved the lottery....

    pumpi76

    No single solution will ever work, RNG's are only software, software that can be changed with the click of a

    mouse taking all past patterns with it.  Ball drops as well, each lottery still using ball drops has more than

    one set of balls.  And no game, software or set of balls will last long enough for this to be done.  Maybe if

    we are lucky enough, we might get in a couple of good shots. 

    RL

    Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

    I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

    they are not.

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      No... the numbers on the balls do not represent anything, they are meaningless. They are just a way to keep track of which ball popped up the chute.  If the balls were color coded you would not use a box of crayons to determine the next draw would you? Using math to determine lottery numbers is like using math to determine exactly what is going to happen 3 minutes 26 seconds into the super bowl in 2013. They just simply have nothing to do with one another. In my opinion RNG's are the only thing that even has a remote chance of being guessed using math. If someone did actually "crack the code" then you could know every number that is going to come out for the rest of time. Think about how crazy that sounds.

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        i believe math can do it, and if we are technical math has already done it [what do you think a wheel is, a wheel is a mathematical problem]....i just wanted to know your opinion and let you know what has been the history in math solving...

        The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


         


         


         

         


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          i believe math can do it, and if we are technical math has already done it [what do you think a wheel is, a wheel is a mathematical problem]....i just wanted to know your opinion and let you know what has been the history in math solving...

          the mathematician was studying:

          Algorithmic Information theory....

          The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


           


           


           

           


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            the mathematician was studying:

            Algorithmic Information theory....

            apples and oranges ma friend:)

            ab actu ad posse valet illatio - from the past one can infer the future

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              No... the numbers on the balls do not represent anything, they are meaningless. They are just a way to keep track of which ball popped up the chute.  If the balls were color coded you would not use a box of crayons to determine the next draw would you? Using math to determine lottery numbers is like using math to determine exactly what is going to happen 3 minutes 26 seconds into the super bowl in 2013. They just simply have nothing to do with one another. In my opinion RNG's are the only thing that even has a remote chance of being guessed using math. If someone did actually "crack the code" then you could know every number that is going to come out for the rest of time. Think about how crazy that sounds.

              While it couldn't tell you whats going to happen at a given time the Annual EA Sports Simulation started in 2004 has only been wrong once. It may not give the correct score outcome,but it has only missed one game.

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                Math is too rigid a science to be applied to random events.  One will never be able to use math to make one successful prediction after another.

                However, math can give you headaches, stomach cramps, leg twitches, and eye strain; just like the lottery.  There has to be a connection somewhere.

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                  Lotteries aren't problems to be solved, they are contrived random events.  Math can tell us the number of possible outcomes and the odds of a player predicting or coming close to predicting the outcome of that event.  Fact are lotteries creators use math to design  lotteries to fit a particular group of players and to make sure they will make a profit.

                  * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
                  * your best chance to win a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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                    But is math [mathematical equations] that is used to make the seed of the RNG´s to produce a random sequence/combinations....

                    The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


                     


                     


                     

                     


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                      Pumpi, all the lotto games are based on mathematics, okay. This is how they came up with the odds of winning the prize which is paid out for a given hit. People that hit boxed or straight with only $5 or so is pure luck and the states can afford this because it doesn't happen very often.

                      Even the boxed hits are limited with the dollar amount people are willing to spend. This is what the states count on in terms of averages. They know people will lose by not spending their money the right way. So, the one's that do win are already calculated into the profit equation.

                      Those who lose are also counted into the profit equation...which happen to substantially outweigh the winners.

                       

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                          But is math [mathematical equations] that is used to make the seed of the RNG´s to produce a random sequence/combinations....

                          pumpi76

                          I chased the "seed", with much effort and agree If one could know it's method of selection you would

                          be well on your way.  I at one time had 4 realy fast striped down computers set up for number crunching.

                          Each one had a different RNG with a random "seed".  I set each to generate around 10,000 sets of numbers

                          at a time and then check the results against a actual draw database.  Each time one of the 10,000 sets

                          would match a drawing from the database I would record the seed used by the RNG for that match.  This

                          was left to run millions and millions of sets over several months.  I ended up with 4 very long list of "seeds"

                          I next searched the seeds using many methods for any pattern that would help in the next drawing.

                          Some were interesting but I eventually gave up the chase.  The software engineers have done their

                          jobs very well in hiding the "seed".  It might be possiable but I don't have the hundreds of years  it

                          might take to do this.  Some very smart and gifted mathematician, which "I am not" may have done

                          far more with the data then I was able to. 

                          RL

                          Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                          I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                          they are not.

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                            pumpi76

                            I chased the "seed", with much effort and agree If one could know it's method of selection you would

                            be well on your way.  I at one time had 4 realy fast striped down computers set up for number crunching.

                            Each one had a different RNG with a random "seed".  I set each to generate around 10,000 sets of numbers

                            at a time and then check the results against a actual draw database.  Each time one of the 10,000 sets

                            would match a drawing from the database I would record the seed used by the RNG for that match.  This

                            was left to run millions and millions of sets over several months.  I ended up with 4 very long list of "seeds"

                            I next searched the seeds using many methods for any pattern that would help in the next drawing.

                            Some were interesting but I eventually gave up the chase.  The software engineers have done their

                            jobs very well in hiding the "seed".  It might be possiable but I don't have the hundreds of years  it

                            might take to do this.  Some very smart and gifted mathematician, which "I am not" may have done

                            far more with the data then I was able to. 

                            RL

                            what if you use: spread in the seed output....if a seed produces: 3-14-36-40-48-59 you place spread per each number and it will be: 2,3,4 then 13,14,15, then 35,36,37 then 39,40,41, then 47,48,49, then 58,59,60....that way when you are writing the equation for the seed it produces spreads and you take spreads into account on the equation and this way it will be easier to follow and crack....you could even use the decades as your sniffer dog...

                            i mean you dont want to win the lottery with 1 ticket do you....

                            The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨


                             


                             


                             

                             


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                              what if you use: spread in the seed output....if a seed produces: 3-14-36-40-48-59 you place spread per each number and it will be: 2,3,4 then 13,14,15, then 35,36,37 then 39,40,41, then 47,48,49, then 58,59,60....that way when you are writing the equation for the seed it produces spreads and you take spreads into account on the equation and this way it will be easier to follow and crack....you could even use the decades as your sniffer dog...

                              i mean you dont want to win the lottery with 1 ticket do you....

                              that just PROVES that you can win the lotto with a math equation & algorithm...

                              can even use the decades as your sniffer dog...

                              if 03-14-36-40-48-59 is a combination then it will be: 0-1-3-4-4-5 [those are the decades]....

                              how will you feel if you knew the decade of every drawing that will ever play...then the rest is not that hard...

                              The Forex trades: 1.6 Trillion dollars EVERY day, that´s more than the GDP of the Carribbean Central America, COMBINED. Enough to feed every crook out there for centuries...To all Geniuses & Powers Countries of the World the Planet needs breakthroughs in all Medicine, Veterinary, Biology related fields, Psychology, Population Psychology/Sociology..They need to genetically ingeneer new plants species/types to give more variety of plants and thus have more resources for combating diseases¨