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G.A.T. Engine 2.0

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Posted: December 20, 2011, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

Greetings to everyone,

you may recall a while back discussions about a prediction engine called GAT. I'm in the position to announce a public release has been finally made available! Prediction accuracy is in the range 2x-a few thousand better compared to chance. For powerballs, a boost about 2x-4x better is not uncommon. The engine can take into account any bonus balls of the game analyzed, if so desired, which further improves hits. As always, the best description of what it can do, is to test and judge it on your own.

At last,  the dream of releasing this prediction engine comes true for me Big Smile

 

cheers

lottoarchitect

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    Greetings to everyone,

    you may recall a while back discussions about a prediction engine called GAT. I'm in the position to announce a public release has been finally made available! Prediction accuracy is in the range 2x-a few thousand better compared to chance. For powerballs, a boost about 2x-4x better is not uncommon. The engine can take into account any bonus balls of the game analyzed, if so desired, which further improves hits. As always, the best description of what it can do, is to test and judge it on your own.

    At last,  the dream of releasing this prediction engine comes true for me Big Smile

     

    cheers

    lottoarchitect

    When?

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      I think it was around 2005-6 when this was first mentioned. Older members will remember these discussions back then. There are a couple posts left from back then around here. Not sure how to find them though, the search here can't recognize the term "GAT" although the posts contain that word.

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        RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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        Posted: December 20, 2011, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

        Greetings to everyone,

        you may recall a while back discussions about a prediction engine called GAT. I'm in the position to announce a public release has been finally made available! Prediction accuracy is in the range 2x-a few thousand better compared to chance. For powerballs, a boost about 2x-4x better is not uncommon. The engine can take into account any bonus balls of the game analyzed, if so desired, which further improves hits. As always, the best description of what it can do, is to test and judge it on your own.

        At last,  the dream of releasing this prediction engine comes true for me Big Smile

         

        cheers

        lottoarchitect

        Now that you have developed a prediction engine, I'll be checking the prediction board to see how well your predictions are doing.  Hopefully you will post some winning MM or PB predictions and help some of us win some Christmas money.  Good luck!

        * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
        * your best chance at winning a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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          Posted: December 20, 2011, 7:17 pm - IP Logged

          Congratulations!

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            Now that you have developed a prediction engine, I'll be checking the prediction board to see how well your predictions are doing.  Hopefully you will post some winning MM or PB predictions and help some of us win some Christmas money.  Good luck!

            Yes, I agree with RJOH, using the prediction boards is an easy way for you prove your claims and get people excited about your new engine!  I use the prediction boards to track my progress of my prediction software.  The question is do you have the metal to do the same.  I kinda of doubt it but prove us wrong.  JADELOTTERY has shown that playing fixed numbers 0-0-0, 0-0-0-0 can be profitable for a year.

            Jimmy

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              Posted: December 20, 2011, 7:55 pm - IP Logged

              I'll run predictions for the fun part of it, since I cannot play any of the lotto games supported here. Besides, the program on its own gives complete statistics on hits performance over the real history of the game analyzed, so you don't really need me to post predictions to prove something, you can do this by yourself on your prefered game. The case is not the metal to do it or not, rather the limited time to dedicate a computer to run predictions on a regular basis whilst developing. Anyway, when I have the time I'll post some predictions.

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                garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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                Posted: December 20, 2011, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

                I'll run predictions for the fun part of it, since I cannot play any of the lotto games supported here. Besides, the program on its own gives complete statistics on hits performance over the real history of the game analyzed, so you don't really need me to post predictions to prove something, you can do this by yourself on your prefered game. The case is not the metal to do it or not, rather the limited time to dedicate a computer to run predictions on a regular basis whilst developing. Anyway, when I have the time I'll post some predictions.

                Wait! What?

                You developed a prediction software and don't have the computer to run it?

                How does that work for you? O_o!?!

                What was the purpose of spending two years working on a project you can't find the time to run?

                And why announce it?

                WOW!!!!!!!

                JUST WOW!!!!!

                Oh..............wow.

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                  Wait! What?

                  You developed a prediction software and don't have the computer to run it?

                  How does that work for you? O_o!?!

                  What was the purpose of spending two years working on a project you can't find the time to run?

                  And why announce it?

                  WOW!!!!!!!

                  JUST WOW!!!!!

                  Oh..............wow.

                  Maybe:

                  1: This software making thing is not his source of income.

                  He might have worked on it on some of his spare time.

                  He can't use predictions for USA lotto games.

                  He would better run predictions for games that he himself can bet on.

                  It takes time to set a program to run regular predictions, it might not be a one time set-up, but it might take some time to do everyday, maybe, unless it can be automated in some way, including the getting of the new winning draws and the updating of the databases.

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                  Also it:

                  Doesn't predict for pick 3 and 4 kind of games.

                  So he can't bet on those online.

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                    Wait! What?

                    You developed a prediction software and don't have the computer to run it?

                    How does that work for you? O_o!?!

                    What was the purpose of spending two years working on a project you can't find the time to run?

                    And why announce it?

                    WOW!!!!!!!

                    JUST WOW!!!!!

                    Oh..............wow.

                    Mr garyo, if you are a developer you would know what I am talking about, you are not so I disregard your comment as very poor and unconsidered. I never said I do not have the time to run my program. I use it for my own lotto game. This is why I developed it in first place. Being generous enough to offer this to public so to benefit as well is not something that should get a response like yours. You can always test it and then come back and if you still believe what you say, say so, as everyone esle who might be interested in a true predictor. I announced it because people wanted to know when GAT is ready. You can reserve the "wow" parts of your comments after testing it.

                    I couldn't say it better than Lantern did above.

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                      I'll run predictions for the fun part of it, since I cannot play any of the lotto games supported here. Besides, the program on its own gives complete statistics on hits performance over the real history of the game analyzed, so you don't really need me to post predictions to prove something, you can do this by yourself on your prefered game. The case is not the metal to do it or not, rather the limited time to dedicate a computer to run predictions on a regular basis whilst developing. Anyway, when I have the time I'll post some predictions.

                      Notice first, I CONGRATULATED you on this? You did see that?

                      But let's look at what you just said before you start with me. Did you not say, "limited time to dedicate a computer to run predictions." Whoops!

                      Yep. You said it. So my question is valid. Why spend 2 years, (yep I searched the last posting on GAT was in 2009) if you can't find the time, or have a computer to dedicate to using it?

                      My second question is valid. Why announce it especially if you aren't going to share it? And if you are going to share it, why not post a link?

                      Honestly, how many people do you think have been sitting here waiting since 2009 to see you announce this? 

                      Now, you don't have to consider me a developer and it won't hurt my feelings. I don't care for titles. It might look good on a resume, but I'm not applying for a job.

                      If your feeling were hurt, I can't help you with that. Consider I asked simple, obvious questions.

                      What I could have said is, if you can't find the time to run it HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WORKS?

                      And if you can't find the time to run it, WHY SHOULD I DEDICATE MY LIMITED COMPUTER TIME TO TRY IT?

                      BTW, you're not talking about "metal." You are talking about "mettle" which means wherewithal, strength, vigor, disposition, temperament, etc.

                      I think you have proven that quality by completing the project you set out to do.

                      Again, CONGRATULATIONS!



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                        As I said, being a developer means I have tons of development work to do. I run predictions for my own lotto game. If there is some free time to run predictions here I'll post them as well (I did already). I can't dedicate a software development computer to run predictions regularly just to tease your appetite. This is why I allow testing it and observe the full hit statistics analysis so to see for yourself what it can do for you - I'm sure you'll see what I see all these years working on this project. I have been developing and testing this thing since 1999, so I definitely know it works, if it didn't I wouldn't dare to make this available to public; I have a well established reputation in lotto programs and I don't want it ruined by a low-par program under my sleeve. I don't have a risk with GAT because simply it is not low-par. Now enough with this argument.

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                          Lottoarch,

                          I'm going to pass on your offer to test it for free, since you require payment before the program will display the final analysis, and once a subscription is processed there is no refund. It sounds too much like I'm buying something just to try it for free.

                          FREE doesn't mean paying 40 Euros with no refund. Not in English. So before I even consider buying your program to look at it for free, I have a few questions......

                          Is G.A.T. going to come with my lottery ready to run or do I have to enter each of the draws myself?

                          Your specs say it may take a "multiple of the expected runtime of 1 to 3 hours on modern computers." What does that mean? Is the expected runtime 1 to 3 hours and it will take multiples of 3 hours if I run it on XP with 512 megs? That could mean 9 12, 15, 36 hours? And what do you consider a modern computer?

                          How many draws does the program require? You state 100 + 2 * 20. Is it that (100 + 2) * 20 or 100 + (2 * 20)? There is a big difference in 2040 and 140 draws. This is further confused when you say "3 to 20 history draws is enough." 

                          How have you determined you have increased the prediction process "2X -a few thousands?" I don't see how being off by 1 number or 14 numbers makes a difference if you still lose. Does it really make a difference?

                          These are questions everybody here should have plain, simple, easy to understand answers to before they pay for any system.

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                            Links to paid for software can't be posted as it is against the LP rules.

                            There are no defined lotteries on the program, but it is very easy to make lotteries.

                            The draws import function is very good, so it is easy to import past draws into the program, just copy from the TLC site onto a text file and the program wil easily import the draws onto it, here is a short sample:

                            12/19/2011    1    12    20    33    29
                            12/15/2011    8    20    29    30    22
                            12/12/2011    6    15    26    33    25
                            12/08/2011    13    18    20    32    24
                            12/05/2011    5    8    24    28    17
                            12/01/2011    17    18    20    33    7
                            11/28/2011    9    11    26    30    28
                            11/24/2011    5    8    11    15    5
                            11/21/2011    5    7    18    25    17
                            11/17/2011    15    26    29    32    18
                            11/14/2011    4    6    11    19    30
                            11/10/2011    21    26    29    34    34
                            11/07/2011    4    19    25    31    16
                            11/03/2011    12    16    19    25    19
                            10/31/2011    1    3    7    24    3
                            10/27/2011    3    12    17    29    3
                            10/24/2011    4    6    9    35    16
                            10/20/2011    2    16    18    26    19
                            10/17/2011    1    9    31    34    26
                            10/13/2011    12    17    33    34    4
                            10/10/2011    1    6    13    27    30
                            10/06/2011    1    25    27    33    8
                            10/03/2011    10    28    30    35    25
                            09/29/2011    8    15    21    34    7
                            09/26/2011    8    22    23    25    22
                            09/22/2011    6    13    15    27    25
                            09/19/2011    1    9    33    34    7
                            09/15/2011    4    13    19    33    35
                            09/12/2011    18    22    30    34    15
                            09/08/2011    10    26    31    32    4
                            09/05/2011    1    3    4    20    5
                            09/01/2011    6    19    30    33    29

                            You might want to import maybe 2 years worth of past draws into it, if game has 2 draws per week.

                            The draws' analysis and "Prediction" were very fast, a few minutes only on this old WinXP computer, but is a trial demo so I didn't get no predicted numbers and I don't understand the results of the analysis:

                            I don't see a export or copy function so I can post the results to a text file and then to this post here.

                            There is also another picture, but comes out too big so I didn't post here.

                            I found a copy function on the program, but only for the predicted numbers.

                            The program comes with a help file.

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                              Lottoarch,

                              I'm going to pass on your offer to test it for free, since you require payment before the program will display the final analysis, and once a subscription is processed there is no refund. It sounds too much like I'm buying something just to try it for free.

                              FREE doesn't mean paying 40 Euros with no refund. Not in English. So before I even consider buying your program to look at it for free, I have a few questions......

                              Is G.A.T. going to come with my lottery ready to run or do I have to enter each of the draws myself?

                              Your specs say it may take a "multiple of the expected runtime of 1 to 3 hours on modern computers." What does that mean? Is the expected runtime 1 to 3 hours and it will take multiples of 3 hours if I run it on XP with 512 megs? That could mean 9 12, 15, 36 hours? And what do you consider a modern computer?

                              How many draws does the program require? You state 100 + 2 * 20. Is it that (100 + 2) * 20 or 100 + (2 * 20)? There is a big difference in 2040 and 140 draws. This is further confused when you say "3 to 20 history draws is enough." 

                              How have you determined you have increased the prediction process "2X -a few thousands?" I don't see how being off by 1 number or 14 numbers makes a difference if you still lose. Does it really make a difference?

                              These are questions everybody here should have plain, simple, easy to understand answers to before they pay for any system.

                              Test it for free means you get a full hits analysis of hits produced over your history exactly as if you were using the program for any of those tested draws - no need for actual predicted numbers or paying to test this. There is a summary and a graph showing exactly what you'd get if playing a suggested prediction over your real history. This is free testing of what is can do for you to almost the full possible extend. You shouldn't compain about that.

                              Elementary maths state that 100 + 2 * 20 = 140. This has only one way to be evaluated so I really don't know why you even asked that.

                              "2X -a few thousands?": If we hit many more times than naturally expected, then you can evaluate these figures too. The Imp.ratio shows exactly that ratio improvement over natural probability as in the above Lantern's pic. If I can hit 10 times more in a range of 50 draws than I would normally expect by picking randomly, then I have 10 times better performance. That means I get 10x times more i.e. 4-hits over the tested draws, or if I could naturally have one 4-win over 50 draws, I now can get 10 4-hits over 50 draws.

                              A modern computer is considered any moderate i-core. You can run fast predictions which need only a few minutes even on quite older systems but generally you'll get better hits if you enable more GAT tables. This needs more time and full utilization for the maximum performance means around 1-3 hours on modern computers. If you use a CPU from the early 2000, it may take 12-24 hours. Since there is a vast variation of computer configurations, only rough guidelines can be mentioned. You can run it and see for yourself how much time it may take.

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