Proposed Buffett Rule and How It Would Apply to Some Lottery Winners Who Invest

How about this.

Eliminate Income Tax and the IRS.  Eliminate Corporate Gains.  Take Welfare prgrams away from the Federal Government, cut 25% of the Defense budget, and 25% of our military's budget, eliminate the wasteful Departments such as Education, Housing and Urban Development, and Interior.

Eliminate the earmarking, set our Federal Budget down to 750 billion, almost all on National Security.  Have the states raise (however they want) and send the money based on population.  And eliminate the tax burden that we face, along with the deficits.

Make the rich pay their fair share comes from the current government using class warfare.

Having a billionaire pay more does nothing for me.

We pay to much tax as a country in whole, enough is enough, government needs to curb is spending, stop the pork and the earmarks.

Get rid of entitlements period, welfare..plain and simple ,YOU DON'T GET NONE !!!!!!

The only people I hear screaming " make the rich pay more," are scuzzy polititions who want to get re-elected and people collecting entitlments.

You get rid of WIC AND WELFARE, SECTION 8, GUESS WHAT, LESS PEOPLE WILL BE GETTING KNOCKED UP JUST SO THEY GET PUT INTO THE SYSTEM.

Do you know what "mamas little money maker means? thats when people have their daughters get pregnant, they turn around and become foster parents (which pays very well ) and tada, the whole family benefits.

Then you have the dis-abilty cheats, sucking the life out of SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICAID AND MEDICARE.

You get rid of entitlements and 4 things will happen..

1. People will pay more attention to birth control

2. more people will find that job,

3. they won't vote for <snip>s who feel they can take and take and take.

4. with more people working and a more responsible government, guess what, no more financial problems. we all benefit.

How about this.

Eliminate Income Tax and the IRS.  Eliminate Corporate Gains.  Take Welfare prgrams away from the Federal Government, cut 25% of the Defense budget, and 25% of our military's budget, eliminate the wasteful Departments such as Education, Housing and Urban Development, and Interior.

Eliminate the earmarking, set our Federal Budget down to 750 billion, almost all on National Security.  Have the states raise (however they want) and send the money based on population.  And eliminate the tax burden that we face, along with the deficits.

I think cutting defense and the military in today's world would be extremely  irresponsible.

And that's the Number 1 reason I could never vote for Ron Paul.

I think everyone can agree that abuses of the system need to be eliminated.  If I'm reading your post correctly, though, it sounds like you want to eliminate our various social safety nets all together.  To that I can only say, I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need that safety net.  Unless, of course, it's your goal in life to end up on the streets through no fault of your own.

And before anyone says anything, I'm just as gainfully employed as the rest of you.  I've never been "in the system" and I hope to keep it that way.  However, that does not mean I don't see the necessity of having social safety nets.  Not everyone is as blessed as we here at LP are.

Exactly. However reforms definitley need to be made. I would suggest these;

1-mandatory drug testing for anyone collecting benefits.

2-mandatory career training.

3-not being punished for actually TRYING to go to work, example; If your collecting aide and you get a job paying chump change they will completely take you off, instead I believe you should be gradually taken off depending on how much you make. No 1 can support a family on minimum wage.

4-and conversely you should not be rewarded with more benefits for having more kids while on welfare.

5-an arrest while on benifits automatically strips them.

6-random checks on people collecting to make sure there is no lexus in the driveway, drug dealing etc...SEE HOW THEY ARE LIVING!

There are many people out there who just have kids for the sake of having everyone else support them, but there are also many who already had kids while financially stable then through no fault of they're own lost they're jobs. These are the people welfare was intended to help as well as genuinely disabled people who can't work.

The thought that there is a job there for anyone who wants one is a fantasy and further the jobs that are there don't always pay enough to live on. Between outsourcing, illegal immigration and an increase in foreign imports, There just aren't enough jobs to go around. Combine that with a worldwide recession and you have record numbers of people who legitimately need help, and in my opinion should get it. When we fail to help our fellow human beings, we fail to be human.

I think everyone can agree that abuses of the system need to be eliminated.  If I'm reading your post correctly, though, it sounds like you want to eliminate our various social safety nets all together.  To that I can only say, I hope you never find yourself in a position where you need that safety net.  Unless, of course, it's your goal in life to end up on the streets through no fault of your own.

And before anyone says anything, I'm just as gainfully employed as the rest of you.  I've never been "in the system" and I hope to keep it that way.  However, that does not mean I don't see the necessity of having social safety nets.  Not everyone is as blessed as we here at LP are.

Yes, enough is enough, if people finds themselves down and out through no fault of their own they can depend on family or charity. not a government forcing me through taxation. The social saftey nets are being abused.

And yes, I have been down and out, a long time ago, I learned from my mistakes, and they were my mistakes. Nobody and I mean nobody, had to support me.

If you can't feed kids, you don't have them,

I am tired of telling my son no, he can't have something, because our checks are being eaten alive by taxes. We put money away for a rainy day, we go without and save, then I turn around and watch someone on welfare, buying steak and shrimp, xbox and flat screen tvs. no enough is enough.

 Although I understand and share your frustration with people taking advantage, I disagree with your solution. Not everyone has family who are willing or able to help them if they fall. There are no charities that will pay your rent or bills if you fall. Not everyone has the ability to save for a rainy day as you suggest for most people live paycheck to paycheck and once it's gone, they're screwed.

 If they eliminate these programs completely as you suggest, your taxes will be no lower than before. Our government will just spend that money somewhere else. Likely on themselves or subsidies for they're supporters. The crime rate would double, maybe even triple if people are just cut off like that. Like I said, The thought that there is a job for everyone who wants it is a fantasy, a myth, a common fallacy. Even in times of economic prosperity the people out of work will always outnumber the jobs available.

 As far as not having kids if you can't feed them well, it's the chicken or the egg argument. For those that choose to have kids while on welfare, they should get nothing. But what about those who had the kids first and were financially stable? What of the father/mother of 2 who had they're job shipped over seas and needs a little help? I have no problem with helping them. It's the drugdealer/gangbanger who used to live upstairs from me who was collecting SSI checks that should be cut. It's my younger sister who has been on welfare her entire adult life who continues to have kids(5 now). This disgusts me and i've disowned her because she is nothing but a leach. I am as fed up as you are but there are people who genuinely need help and have no other options. I will not allow my frustration and ager at the dirtbags destroy my compassion for others.

I think cutting defense and the military in today's world would be extremely  irresponsible.

And that's the Number 1 reason I could never vote for Ron Paul.

Exactly. However reforms definitley need to be made. I would suggest these;

1-mandatory drug testing for anyone collecting benefits.

2-mandatory career training.

3-not being punished for actually TRYING to go to work, example; If your collecting aide and you get a job paying chump change they will completely take you off, instead I believe you should be gradually taken off depending on how much you make. No 1 can support a family on minimum wage.

4-and conversely you should not be rewarded with more benefits for having more kids while on welfare.

5-an arrest while on benifits automatically strips them.

6-random checks on people collecting to make sure there is no lexus in the driveway, drug dealing etc...SEE HOW THEY ARE LIVING!

There are many people out there who just have kids for the sake of having everyone else support them, but there are also many who already had kids while financially stable then through no fault of they're own lost they're jobs. These are the people welfare was intended to help as well as genuinely disabled people who can't work.

The thought that there is a job there for anyone who wants one is a fantasy and further the jobs that are there don't always pay enough to live on. Between outsourcing, illegal immigration and an increase in foreign imports, There just aren't enough jobs to go around. Combine that with a worldwide recession and you have record numbers of people who legitimately need help, and in my opinion should get it. When we fail to help our fellow human beings, we fail to be human.

The problem I have with these ideas are that they would be horridly expensive to initiate, and would likely violate our rights.  These ideas of government oversight of day to day life is eerily similar to the violations like the Stamp Act.  I say anybody whose over X age gets to keep their benefits, and the rest of us should "fend for our selves" in the market.  (AKA, not get taxed, and buy or don't buy insurance ourselves)  Or maybe our state would come up with it's own version.  (I'd advocate the markets, but a state run system would at least be more likely to held accountable than a federal program)