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looking for advice on this ticket and its odds- strategy??

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Posted: July 25, 2012, 5:07 pm - IP Logged

I spoke to a lottery representative and she kindly gave me all of the numbers on the 20$ lucky times 20 ticket.

Total tickets printed- 306,690

Prizes remaining

20,000 (top prize) 47

1,000- 9

500- 250

200-2,900

20,25,50,100- there must be alot

tickets sold- roughly 20 percent

odds are 1:3.89

usually 8-10 winners per book of 30.

What would you all do as for as purchasing? Go for it and keep playing?

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    Posted: July 25, 2012, 5:14 pm - IP Logged

    Only on Pay-Day

       That's when I buy  at least 1   $20  ticket

      47   20,000   left huh?

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      Posted: July 25, 2012, 5:15 pm - IP Logged

      BTW:    I like the very first one off the roll

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        Posted: July 25, 2012, 10:20 pm - IP Logged

        I spoke to a lottery representative and she kindly gave me all of the numbers on the 20$ lucky times 20 ticket.

        Total tickets printed- 306,690

        Prizes remaining

        20,000 (top prize) 47

        1,000- 9

        500- 250

        200-2,900

        20,25,50,100- there must be alot

        tickets sold- roughly 20 percent

        odds are 1:3.89

        usually 8-10 winners per book of 30.

        What would you all do as for as purchasing? Go for it and keep playing?

        Are you telling me that this is a $20 scratcher with a $20K TOP PRIZE??? If so, that is robbery! Your state is working its players hard

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          Posted: July 26, 2012, 4:43 am - IP Logged

          hoops78 wrote:  ``I spoke to a lottery representative and she kindly gave me all of the numbers on the 20$ lucky times 20 ticket.``

          Not really.

          She might have given you all the numbers she knows.  But they are deficient in some obvious details.  "There must be a lot" of remaining wins for the $20, $25, $50 and $100 prizes is not sufficient.

          Also note that the odds 1:3.89 are for the outset of the game.  (I assume you are talking about the Rhode Island game #321.)  It may or may not be the current odds.  That depends on the missing information.

          Moreover, I believe "usually 8-10 winners per book of 30" is incorrect.  I would say there was "usually" 6 to 9 winners among 30 tickets, the closest to 50% or more of the wins centered around the 50 %ile, which is between 7 and 8.  Alternatively, you might say there was "usually" 8 or more winners among 30 tickets [1], representing (the upper) 50% or more wins.  The point is:  to me, "usually" means 50% or more.

          But the operative word is "was".  Again, that is based on the initial odds of 1:3.89.  (By the way, that might be rounded from 1:3.885 to less than 1:3.895.)  There is insufficient information to know the current odds [2].

          In any case, I hope you are not seriously considering investing $600 in scratcher tickets -- the cost of 30 tickets.  So whether there are 6 to 9 or 8 or more winners in 30 tickets is irrelevant to you.

          (OMG, based on another one of your posting, you did invest $600 in scratchers -- even more!)

          Your probability of winning something -- that is, one or more winners -- in n tickets is about 1 - (1 - 1/3.89)^n.  For n = 1 to 5 ($20 to $100 investment), the respective probability is about:  26%, 45%, 59%, 70% and 77%.  And "something" can be as little as $20 everytime.

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          hoops78 wrote:  ``What would you all do as for as purchasing? Go for it and keep playing?``

          That really depends on your financial situation.  But you might consider the following.

          Making some wild assumptions [3] about the distribution of the remaining wins for the $20 to $100 prizes, your expected return might be about $14.72 per $20 investment.  In other words, you can expect to lose $5.38 per $20 investment.

          Of course, that is not real, since I had to make so many wild assumptions.  I offer it just as an illustration.  And of course, that is the average ("expected") return.

          Also note that if you buy one $20 ticket for the Lucky Times 20 game, the probability of winning something was about 26% at the outset:  1/3.89.

          But if you buy four $5 tickets for the Blackjack Tripler game, for example, the probability of winning something was about 75% at the outset:  1 - (1 - 1/3.39)^4.

          Of course,  that's 26% to win as little as $20 v. 75% to win as little as $5.  And that is based on odds at the outset of each game, not necessarily current odds.

          We cannot make accurate predictions without a complete breakdown of the number wins per prize and the total number of tickets.

           

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          [1] The probability of 6 to 9 winners among 30 tickets was about 60%.  The probability of 8 or more winners among 30 tickets was about 52%.

          [2] Absent information to the contrary, it might be reasonable to assume that the current odds are the same as the initial odds.

          [3] For the remaining number of wins for the $20 to $100 prizes, I assume the following distribution.  My choice is arbitrary insofar as you offer no information to justify it.  And I cannot find any details online about the distribution of prizes for the Rhode Island game.  So I prorated another distribution of similar prizes.  I also assume the current odds are the same as the initial odds.

                 Prize     #Wins
          $20,00047
          $1,0009
          $500250
          $2002,900
          $1003,700
          $5011,766
          $2522,200
          $2022,200

          245,352    Total remaining tickets (306960 * 80%)

            63,072    Total remaining wins (245352 / 3.89)

            59,866    Remaining wins for prizes $20 to $100 (63072 - 47 - 9 - 250 - 2900)

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            Posted: July 26, 2012, 12:25 pm - IP Logged

            Yes the top prize is 20k but there are 47 of them left. From what I have seen in my book tracking, there were always at least 8 winning tickets in the roll of 30. The usual would be100 50 50 25 25 25 20 20 in each roll. Sometimes the 200 dollar winner will replace the 100 and one of the 50 dollar winners and they would add another 25 or 20. That's what I have observed.

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              Posted: July 26, 2012, 1:57 pm - IP Logged

              Yes the top prize is 20k but there are 47 of them left. From what I have seen in my book tracking, there were always at least 8 winning tickets in the roll of 30. The usual would be100 50 50 25 25 25 20 20 in each roll. Sometimes the 200 dollar winner will replace the 100 and one of the 50 dollar winners and they would add another 25 or 20. That's what I have observed.

              If that were true, you would be dealing with a rigged lottery game, which would be highly unlikely.

              You probably don't have a large enough sampling to draw any real conclusions.

              As I noted previously, yes, it is "more likely" that there will be 8 or more winning tickets in any group of 30 tickets, namely about 52%.   But that is close enough to 50-50 that over the long run, you should also find groups of 30 tickets with 7 or fewer winning tickets.

              As for the distribution of prizes, that should be completely coincidental.  Certainly, the lottery people are not "replacing $100 and $50 with $200" and "adding another $25 or $20" to the roll.

              It is difficult to comment on the likelihood of the distribution of prizes that you observe without a complete table of current odds.

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                Posted: July 27, 2012, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

                Good odds for $20K but thats not exactly life changing esp. after taxes. I tried those tickets thinking boy it must be easy to get $20K because thats the top prize. but the overall odds on the ticket are terrible 1 in 4. the other $20 ticket is good odds but only $20 or $40 wins. good luck i hope you get the $20K

                2013 Wins: $400 ($25M)

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                  Posted: July 28, 2012, 8:41 am - IP Logged

                  James, next time you come to RI or Mass lets meet up and scratch and maybe we will find the 20k