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There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.


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    There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

    The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

    In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

    I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

    Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

    Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.

    In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

    Ok, so "a" QP has the same odds as "a"system ticket. But what about a group of system tickets over a group of QPs??? Im talking about getting BETTER ODDS playing 28 numbers in a 5/56 game which is 98,820 lines.

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      Not sure what you mean by "better odds. if you mean better number of chances then you are correct , but only because you played a large number of tickets . However your odds of winning the jackpot on any of the sets of numbers generated remains the same be it  98,820 QPs or the system  set.

      A qp has the same odds of being drawn as any of the sets on a wheel.

      I'm rusty on factorials but I believe there is 1 in 3,819,816  of getting 5 numbers correct in 56 and those odds of having a set drawn change vary slightly for each ticket you buy, whether it is QP or system set.

      Obviously if you bought all 3,819,816 combinations you are guaranteed to have a set drawn. As it stands, by playing 28 numbers in your wheel there are still 3,720,996 sets of 5  against any of your sets of 5  being drawn  and in actuality still 1 in 3,819,816 for any set of 5 being drawn. The more sets you buy the closer you come to lowering the 3,819,816 figure to 1. or an absolute certainty of having one of your sets of  numbers drawn .

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        Generate a wheel with all numbers, condition 2 if 6.
        Generate as many quick pick lines.

        Compare both to the history of you game.
        Sum up the costs and the payouts.

        You might want to repeat this with different quick picks and different wheels, involving all numbes.
        There is a full lotto quick pick, involving all numbers, that equals a wheel.

        A suggestion of what you can do.

        You might also run a wheel filled by random numbers against a wheel filled by numbers of your system or choice.

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          There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

          The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

          In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

          I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

          Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

          Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.

          "There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past ."

          You state that as if you know that to be an absolute fact.  I suspect you said that without ever having looked at past drawings of any games to see if patterns existed or repeated that would make one think other wise. 

          You also look at predictions much the same way.  Predictions aren't absolute, if they were then weathermen couldn't predict the weather.  I think of predictions as calculated guesses about the outcome of an event base on conditions leading up to that event considering what has happened most often before when similar conditions existed.

          * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
          * your best chance to win a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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            There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

            The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

            In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

            I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

            Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

            Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.

            Sometimes I would bet your life on it with success that a certain number will come out for a certain drawing against all odds. Of course other people will have a zero success with this kind of betting.

            Odds are calculated. What is improving odds? Odds for exactly what? Improving your game might mean buying just one ticket, the winning one and not to play the loosing ones. Odds and expectancy, you mix it up!

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                "I suspect you said that without ever having looked at past drawings of any games to see if patterns existed or repeated that would make one think other wise.
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              Past drawings have no influence on future drawings of the lottery, people who believe otherwise keep the lottery system touts in business. Similarly, a tossed coin that comes up heads 9 times in a row has an equal chance of coming up tails  on the next toss, they are all separate events.

              Predicting numbers is not a science,   the only way to improve your chances of winning the jackpot is to buy more tickets. ( wheel). and even then the improvement is infinitesimal.

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                Don't understand most of our post except the last statement, what I refer to as "chance' should be “expectancy”.

                You improve your expectation of winning by buying more tickets , but your overall odds of one of your sets being selected remains the same. I have read some people believe buying two tickets halves the odds of winning the jackpot! Go figure. But thanks for putting me right on the correct terminology.

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                  Don't understand most of our post except the last statement, what I refer to as "chance' should be “expectancy”.

                  You improve your expectation of winning by buying more tickets , but your overall odds of one of your sets being selected remains the same. I have read some people believe buying two tickets halves the odds of winning the jackpot! Go figure. But thanks for putting me right on the correct terminology.

                  "Go figure. But thanks........." 

                  I Agree! You had to go figure for yourself, what works for you may be different.

                  * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
                  * your best chance to win a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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                    Hello, I agree with some of your statements, but look at these, half of the project
                      That is the wisdom of the first digit of the 56/5 is 100% (00000-55555). Attention but lack the other half
                      Using the lasts digits, ranging from 0 to 9, then half already guaranteed in any lottery,
                    Even if it is forged (manipulated) hits ever, but apart from the front of the number.
                      Well you can use these formations as pivot or Faxas.
                    After that we predict to have a hit in 20-30 draws and not a single event.


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                      There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

                      The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

                      In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

                      I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

                      Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

                      Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.

                      You play horses without a system.  Not smart.No No

                      I have a good system for horses.  However since they closed all the OTB, it dont help much.

                      This may or may not be true (hey Jimmy wanna chime in?)  I always love a good argument.Lovies (unfortunately I cant punch anybody over the internet)Boxing

                      The Odds may stay the same, but the probabality is always changing.

                      If you dont buy a ticket the odds of winning is ZERO.

                      If you buy a ticket the odds of winning is > than ZERO.

                      Why not sell a winning lottery system to somebody else?  I didn't realize there was a shortage of money in the world.Roll Eyes

                      I dont think punters play much lottery, most are already very rich!

                      However some Professional atheletes who spend exorbitant amounts of money on gambling could use a good system.Idea

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                        You play horses without a system.  Not smart.No No

                        I have a good system for horses.  However since they closed all the OTB, it dont help much.

                        This may or may not be true (hey Jimmy wanna chime in?)  I always love a good argument.Lovies (unfortunately I cant punch anybody over the internet)Boxing

                        The Odds may stay the same, but the probabality is always changing.

                        If you dont buy a ticket the odds of winning is ZERO.

                        If you buy a ticket the odds of winning is > than ZERO.

                        Why not sell a winning lottery system to somebody else?  I didn't realize there was a shortage of money in the world.Roll Eyes

                        I dont think punters play much lottery, most are already very rich!

                        However some Professional atheletes who spend exorbitant amounts of money on gambling could use a good system.Idea

                        Let met put it like a good math teacher said it.

                        When you buy one combination for lotto, what is your chance of winninig?

                        One!

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                            "I suspect you said that without ever having looked at past drawings of any games to see if patterns existed or repeated that would make one think other wise.
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                          Past drawings have no influence on future drawings of the lottery, people who believe otherwise keep the lottery system touts in business. Similarly, a tossed coin that comes up heads 9 times in a row has an equal chance of coming up tails  on the next toss, they are all separate events.

                          Predicting numbers is not a science,   the only way to improve your chances of winning the jackpot is to buy more tickets. ( wheel). and even then the improvement is infinitesimal.

                          Similarly, a tossed coin that comes up heads 9 times in a row has an equal chance of coming up tails  on the next toss, they are all separate events.

                           

                          This is the whole point of pattern seeking that you are missing. Sure there is a 50/50 chance of the coin showing heads or tails after a nine streak of heads showing in a row, but the most important question is, what would you bet on? Heads or tails?

                          And why?  Wink

                                         0.1% of people who play for a major JP will win in their lifetime. 

                               

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                            Every time there is a lottery drawing there is a good chance some one win but there is even a better chance it won't you. Disapprove

                            * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
                            * your best chance to win a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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                              There can never be a true predictor of lottery numbers drawn. Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past .

                              The only way to improve your odds of winning , is to buy more tickets and no, buying two tickets does not halve the odds of winning. The only other way to improve your chances of winning is to wheel sets of numbers , but even that does not change the odds against any of your six number combos being drawn.

                              In fact, a quick pick has exactly the same odds of being drawn  as a so called  "system' generated ticket.

                              I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners. ( same with the lottery.).

                              Think about it, if you had the winning lottery system  would you sell it to other punters ?. of course not, .

                              Bottom line, no matter how many tickets you buy the odds change very little against your number being drawn.

                              "Each draw is an absolute event , reliant on no other influences from the past."

                              You're not the first to say it and certainly won't be the last and I won't be the first or last to say at least one of the digits in the last pick-3 drawing has a 65.7% chance of repeating. Somebody else won't be the first or last saying any three digits have a 65.7% chance. Here's your chance to be the first to tell us which three out of the other seven digits has the same chance. It doesn't matter which three you pick because even though somebody will say they have an equal chance, any three of the other seven digits has a 34.3% chance none the previously drawn numbers will repeat.

                              "I play the horses on a semi pro basis and it never ceases to amaze me how many people fork over hard earned cash for a system that picks winners."

                              Semi pro means some of your income is from horse racing which could include having a $1 a year profit. I'm assuming you mean you created your own system and believe it's far superior to any bought systems. Based on your other comments, I hope you're not saying past performance means nothing in horse racing either.