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BobP

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Mar 28, 2015, 8:12 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Mar 27, 2015
Tried that years ago with no better results. Wheeling only make sense until you think about it.

I find it hard to understand your thinking. The wheel is an absolute get three right twice and you win a jackpot can not be disputed. Getting 3's is the problem not the wheel itself.

Long before Mr.Z there was Dr.Z who published a popular lottery tip sheet in New York who later sold the business to the late Mr.Z (Bob Lyons). Anyway, I can't put my hands on my one copy of the tip sheet at the moment and can't recall whether he had 20 or 50 combinations for Pick-6 that were created out of hot/strong pairs. He apparently had experienced this to be a worthy strategy to provide his players with. Too bad it never made it into his book or the software Mr.Z had paid a programmer to "fix" from the original version that came with the business.

I'd like to think not everything works everywhere, try something else. BobP
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Mar 28, 2015, 2:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 28, 2015
I find it hard to understand your thinking. The wheel is an absolute get three right twice and you win a jackpot can not be disputed. Getting 3's is the problem not the wheel itself.

Long before Mr.Z there was Dr.Z who published a popular lottery tip sheet in New York who later sold the business to the late Mr.Z (Bob Lyons). Anyway, I can't put my hands on my one copy of the tip sheet at the moment and can't recall whether he had 20 or 50 combinations for Pick-6 that were created out of hot/strong pairs. He apparently had experienced this to be a worthy strategy to provide his players with. Too bad it never made it into his book or the software Mr.Z had paid a programmer to "fix" from the original version that came with the business.

I'd like to think not everything works everywhere, try something else. BobP

"I find it hard to understand your thinking. The wheel is an absolute get three right twice and you win a jackpot can not be disputed. Getting 3's is the problem not the wheel itself."

If winning jackpots that way was absolute someone smarter than me would be winning them regularly. My thinking is based on computer simulations I've ran. I'm not a programmer but I'm fairly sure losing isn't a problem that can be "fixed" by one.

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Mar 28, 2015, 7:35 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Mar 28, 2015
"I find it hard to understand your thinking. The wheel is an absolute get three right twice and you win a jackpot can not be disputed. Getting 3's is the problem not the wheel itself."

If winning jackpots that way was absolute someone smarter than me would be winning them regularly. My thinking is based on computer simulations I've ran. I'm not a programmer but I'm fairly sure losing isn't a problem that can be "fixed" by one.

Lottery simulations are worthless, at best you get probability.

Never said winning a jackpot was easy, the odds never change, the path can in ways some may find easier then another path. Like all the ways to cook an egg, in the end you have a cooked egg, some paths may be easier, some with more work involved may or may not end in a tastier egg, it's all relative.

You can not apply the scientific method to lottery prediction because the answer is always different.

Bob Lyons Mr.Z thought Dr.Z's programming was full of unnecessary code and paid a third party programmer to clean it up. In the process the hot pairs combiner and who knows what else was lost. If not winning was on the to-do list, Bob didn't tell me about it.

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Mar 28, 2015, 7:52 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 28, 2015
Lottery simulations are worthless, at best you get probability.

Never said winning a jackpot was easy, the odds never change, the path can in ways some may find easier then another path. Like all the ways to cook an egg, in the end you have a cooked egg, some paths may be easier, some with more work involved may or may not end in a tastier egg, it's all relative.

You can not apply the scientific method to lottery prediction because the answer is always different.

Bob Lyons Mr.Z thought Dr.Z's programming was full of unnecessary code and paid a third party programmer to clean it up. In the process the hot pairs combiner and who knows what else was lost. If not winning was on the to-do list, Bob didn't tell me about it.

BobP

"Lottery simulations are worthless, at best you get probability."

True but that's the best you can expect no matter how you pick your numbers. Why do it the hard way if the odds never change?

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Mar 30, 2015, 8:15 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Mar 27, 2015
Checked your suggestion with Ohio's Classic Lotto(6/49) which as of 3/25/15 had 1280 drawings. So far they had produced 13,780 combinations of threes of a possible 18,424 which had hit 1-9 times.

Using the top five combinations of threes that had no duplicates:
06 22 44 = 9 times
30 31 39 = 8 "
07 25 28 = 7 "
10 12 29 = 7 "
05 13 20 = 6 "

I check the group of 15 numbers: 05 06 07 10 12 13 20 22 25 28 29 30 31 39 44
As a group they had only matched six one time and five thirteen times in 1280 drawings. I doubt if wheeling them into 10 lines would even come close to doing as well so it's back to the drawing board.

Using the GH software runing the 9. Chart Companion Pairs Triads Quads, etc.

Last 1279 draws

06-22-44 9 hits
02-24-29 28-29-49 7 hits
There were 19 that hit 6 times.

I checked the top three played with the no duplicates among the 19 for the last 100 draws.

While I don't see 30-31-39 or 05-13-20 among them, I do see where 28-29-49 + 30-38-46
would have won a 5# prize. It may have not fallen within the five sets your budget allows
playing the top three against the remaining say 15 unique sets 45 plays would have won
the 5# prize and a fair number of 4# and 3# prizes, though still a loss of roughy 50% it's
not the worst results I've seen and maybe in the next 100 draws that 6# will be in there
in this game or another game like it.

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Mar 30, 2015, 3:15 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 30, 2015
Using the GH software runing the 9. Chart Companion Pairs Triads Quads, etc.

Last 1279 draws

06-22-44 9 hits
02-24-29 28-29-49 7 hits
There were 19 that hit 6 times.

I checked the top three played with the no duplicates among the 19 for the last 100 draws.

While I don't see 30-31-39 or 05-13-20 among them, I do see where 28-29-49 + 30-38-46
would have won a 5# prize. It may have not fallen within the five sets your budget allows
playing the top three against the remaining say 15 unique sets 45 plays would have won
the 5# prize and a fair number of 4# and 3# prizes, though still a loss of roughy 50% it's
not the worst results I've seen and maybe in the next 100 draws that 6# will be in there
in this game or another game like it.

BobP

"maybe in the next 100 draws that 6# will be in there in this game or another game like it."

That sounds very similar to posts I use to read in the old Maybelle forum and here in the pick3 forum that had 15-20 sets of pick3 numbers that said some where in the US one of these numbers will hit in a mid-day or evening drawings. They were usually right but so what if you didn't know the game of state?

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Mar 31, 2015, 7:57 am

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Mar 30, 2015
"maybe in the next 100 draws that 6# will be in there in this game or another game like it."

That sounds very similar to posts I use to read in the old Maybelle forum and here in the pick3 forum that had 15-20 sets of pick3 numbers that said some where in the US one of these numbers will hit in a mid-day or evening drawings. They were usually right but so what if you didn't know the game of state?

So I take it you're not going to address the data difference between what GH has for Ohio Classic and you have?
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Mar 31, 2015, 11:37 am

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 31, 2015
So I take it you're not going to address the data difference between what GH has for Ohio Classic and you have?

I'll leave that to the OCL players who use her software. I don't have any of GH software.

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Apr 16, 2015, 7:37 pm

The only strategy I could come up with is say marking the number one on all your play slips and then putting them through the machine.

If the one is actually drawn and you get lucky, you could have an odds reduction.
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Apr 16, 2015, 8:20 pm

Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Mar 30, 2015
"maybe in the next 100 draws that 6# will be in there in this game or another game like it."

That sounds very similar to posts I use to read in the old Maybelle forum and here in the pick3 forum that had 15-20 sets of pick3 numbers that said some where in the US one of these numbers will hit in a mid-day or evening drawings. They were usually right but so what if you didn't know the game of state?

Of course they were usually right. A quick search reveals that there are at least 42 Pick3 drawings across the country each day. If you publish a list of 20 sets of numbers, there's a better than 57% chance that at least one of them will come up in one of those drawings.
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May 16, 2015, 12:35 pm

Quote: Originally posted by BobP on Mar 31, 2015
So I take it you're not going to address the data difference between what GH has for Ohio Classic and you have?

Now that OCL jackpot is competitive with the second prize amounts of MM and PB, maybe some of those GH fans will use those charts to win it.

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May 16, 2015, 3:39 pm

Quote: Originally posted by chopperman8238 on Mar 24, 2015
Besides covering all the Mega numbers I assume there being 27, there's really no strategy.

Our ticket guy (Ret Military 25 years) buys all quick picks, besides the Static 27 Numbers then sends the tickets to us once a week.

Im sure most of our players don't even check these tickets until, its over $300 million.

Did you even CONSIDER trying to figure out some sort of strategy, for the games you play ??? If NO STRATEGY is NOT working, why wouldn't you try to use a different approach, and CREATE a STRATEGY ??? Why would you continue to throw Good Money behind Bad Money, with no significant winning results, to show for your continuous investment ???

Lotto Laughs has some strategies for the Pick 5 game, in the Systems Forum. Do a SEARCH !!! She has also published 2 booklets about Pick 5 strategies, entitled "Strings Galore" and "Happy Endings". PM Lotto Laughs to see if these booklets are still available for purchase.
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May 17, 2015, 12:11 am

As far as the group is concerned it’s neither Good nor Bad money. Just disposable cash they don’t really need.

Since most of the members make very good Salary’s they don’t really care.

The agreement was to play the Mega or Power and if the tab goes over $100 grand then we can re-evaluate.

I’m sure most of them don’t even look at the tickets that are sent via Email.

Our ticket master makes the buys 8 times a month, then scans them all before the next rotation.
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Quote: Originally posted by destinycreation on May 16, 2015
Did you even CONSIDER trying to figure out some sort of strategy, for the games you play ??? If NO STRATEGY is NOT working, why wouldn't you try to use a different approach, and CREATE a STRATEGY ??? Why would you continue to throw Good Money behind Bad Money, with no significant winning results, to show for your continuous investment ???

Lotto Laughs has some strategies for the Pick 5 game, in the Systems Forum. Do a SEARCH !!! She has also published 2 booklets about Pick 5 strategies, entitled "Strings Galore" and "Happy Endings". PM Lotto Laughs to see if these booklets are still available for purchase.

Lottery strategies require someone pay attention to what's hitting and chart results to be used in picking the next bunch of combinations to be played. That means someone in the group has to do a lot more work than anyone else in the group and be willing to take the blame for all their loses. That's not going to happen in a group so everyone goes along with everything being picked randomly with no special strategy or obligations on anyone. Lottery strategies work best for individuals who can afford to play alone.

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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on May 17, 2015
Lottery strategies require someone pay attention to what's hitting and chart results to be used in picking the next bunch of combinations to be played. That means someone in the group has to do a lot more work than anyone else in the group and be willing to take the blame for all their loses. That's not going to happen in a group so everyone goes along with everything being picked randomly with no special strategy or obligations on anyone. Lottery strategies work best for individuals who can afford to play alone.

RJOH....

Exactly, never was a strategy and never will be. Many of us work outside of the US and too busy to fool with any of this #%^&

Our buyer spends about 9-10 hours a month, Buying-Scanning Emailing, etc... If its our time, then so be it.

We all live financially comfortable lives, to win this would just be Icing on the Cake...

One of the reasons why I started this group, was to see how people would react to winning a Lotto.

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