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Paying taxes on your lottery winnings
mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 10028 Posts Offline
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While filling out my federal taxes, I was suprised to learn that the expense of buying lottery tickets greater the amount you win can't be deducted from your taxable winnings unless you are a professional gambler, otherwise you may only itemizes losses up to the amout you win. If you get a form W-2G, you have to file those winnings as income. So if during the year you buy $3000 worth of lottery tickets and win $1500, you can only deduct $1500 as a loss and if your total itemized deductions is less than the standard deductions plus $1500, you will pay taxes on $1500 as additional income in spite of the fact that your overall gain was minus $1500. So if you win $1500 in the lottery and bought more than $1500 worth of tickets, either you are a professional gambler or you are a loser. RJOh
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United States Member #380 June 5, 2002 11297 Posts Offline
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RJ:
If only this were Canada-all prizes TAX-FREE, and LUMP SUM (although there are now "win for life" scratch games, where the interest on the payments after the initial "cheque" are taxable).
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mid-Ohio United States Member #9 March 24, 2001 10028 Posts Offline
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It just that I confused lottery winnings with lottery profits. The aveage lottery player can not make a profit from playing the lottery unless he wins more than he spent on all his lottery tickets otherwise he is just adding to his taxable income if he wins anything. As a professional I will only pay taxes on my profits(lottery winnings minus cost of all lottery tickets) as reported on schedule C. RJOh
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light on my feet United States Member #357 May 20, 2002 1828 Posts Offline
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cash (or anyone else), dumb question #1
if a citizen of the united states crosses the border and buys a lottery ticket in canada and WINS, does the person who won still have to pay taxes on their win here in the U.S.?
dumb question #2
what if the same person won and then moved to canada immediately, would they STILL have to pay taxes here in this country?
dumb question #3
if they have to pay taxes, approx how much?
VDQPLS "i am .........."meant to"
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South Carolina United States Member #493 July 16, 2002 837 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 6, 2003, 1:32 am - IP Logged |
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Answer to question # 1.
Yes, the USA taxes all income from it's citzens, it doesn't matter where the income is from.
Answer to question # 2.
Even if you give up your USA citizenship, the USA can and will tax you on all USA based income for up to ten years.
Answer to question # 3.
The standard 38 percent. Plus whatever state and local taxes.

Okay, now I believe you can predict lottery numbers
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United States Member #436 June 30, 2002 675 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 6, 2003, 6:56 am - IP Logged |
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Why does anyone even worry about taxes when it comes to the lottery? Chances are if you win $1500 it is not going to push you into another tax bracket. And even if it did and you had to pay more taxes you still have more money than you originally did. And if you manage to win PB or MM, you'll have so much that taxes will seem like a moot point (especially if you take the lump sum and only have to pay taxes on it once).
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Pennsylvania United States Member #1366 April 6, 2003 2442 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 6, 2003, 9:35 am - IP Logged |
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 16375 Posts Online
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| Posted: April 6, 2003, 10:34 am - IP Logged |
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Rjoh, The deductable gambling formula applies for any type of gambling, not just lotteries. It's a good idea to keep records of ALL gambling activities together, in case one of them happens to hit a good size prize during the year. For example, if you spend $2,000 on lotteries during the year, and you hit a $5,000 prize on a slot machine, you can deduct your $2,000 lottery expenses from the $5,000, and only pay taxes on $3,000 of the prize.
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United States Member #380 June 5, 2002 11297 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 15, 2003, 5:55 am - IP Logged |
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Hope everybody wins enough to increase their tax liability next year (of course I prefer none of the winnings paid through annuities).
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NY United States Member #1385 April 11, 2003 136 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 15, 2003, 9:39 am - IP Logged |
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Being a CPA and once working for what used to be known as a Big 6 accounting firm, I fully back Todd's comment. I also back RJoh's comment above. Lottery losses are only deductible up to the lottery winnings. Though lottery winnings are fully taxed, they are NOT taxed as earned income so therefore, SS taxes are NOT paid. Some states like NJ do NOT tax on lottery winnings. Hope all of you filed your taxes today!
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Queens, NY United States Member #245 April 15, 2002 367 Posts Offline
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| Posted: April 15, 2003, 11:02 am - IP Logged |
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The 2002 maximum Federal tax is 38.6% on all amounts above $307,051. NY State tax is 6.5%. N.Y. City also has a tax I'm not sure what the % is. Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong, to be put right. Carl Schure, Republican Mass. 1829--1906 A man must consider what a rich realm he leaves when he becomes a conformist
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Chief Bottle Washer New Jersey United States Member #1 May 31, 2000 16375 Posts Online
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| Posted: April 15, 2003, 11:20 am - IP Logged |
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Megamillionaire, although you have correctly stated the top-tier percentage rate, only someone blindly filing their taxes using the "simple form" with TurboTax would actually pay that much. With the millions comes the ability to hire a good tax attorney, so I don't think I'd end up paying as much your example.
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