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Quick Picks Vs. Number Selection

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According to Powerball.com website in the new/info. section faq.....70% of winning tickets are quick/easy picks, including the jackpot.  They also state that 70% of all Powerball ticket sales are quick picks.  It could be that the number of winning quick picks is due to the number of quick pick tickets purchased.  However, the only way this could be true is if the Powerball lottery system purposely allows a specified number of winning tickets per drawing.  If no one played quick picks would there not be as many winners?  Doubtful.  The state governments are not in the business of entertainment and they don't participate or offer lotteries for that purpose.  It is of course to generate revenue for the state coffers.  Winning tickets=more players playing or players investing more.  Does a state that produces jackpot winners benefit more than a state that does not?  States w/o jackpot winners are able to keep more of the revenues for themselves.  States that tax lottery winnings gain from having jackpot winners but also have to pay out a portion of the jackpot. 

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    Quote: Originally posted by wiseone2 on April 29, 2004







    According to Powerball.com website in the new/info. section faq.....70% of winning tickets are quick/easy picks, including the jackpot.  They also state that 70% of all Powerball ticket sales are quick picks. 








    That just proves 70% of lottery tickets are bought by gamblers who don't want to bother with filling out tickets to play.  I've seen people buy $20 worth of scratch off tickets and ask the clerk to check if any of them are winners without scratching even one of them.  People don't mind losing their money as long as they don't have to put forth any effort.  Those are the kinds of players that the states really like, because chances are they don't bother collect those small $5 and $10 prizes either.

    RJOh

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      mixing quick-picks with personal-picks seems like a nice idea...esp at these pball jackpot levels. 3:2 pp vs qp works for me for a 5 line purchase. last year a $62M pb jkpt was hit using this ratio. it was one of the two qps that hit on that card of 5 sets played. i realize that any strategy is fine, but at higher jackpot levels i just like a combo slightly favoring personal-picks yet always including quick-picks.

      ... the lottery never fails to surprise!
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        I've always heard that people who select their own numbers should buy their tickets as early as possible because the lottery computers that generate QuickPicks won't give out any combinations that have already been played until all number combinations have been sold. The thinking here is that you're less likely to have to share a jackpot if you "claim" your numbers early because they won't be given to anyone else unless they actually happen to select the same numbers by design. By the same token, it is said that QuickPick players should buy their numbers at the last minute because the lottery computers will not give them a set of numbers that has already been sold unless all sets (either QPs or personal selections) have been sold for that particular draw. Does anyone know if there happens to be any truth to this???

        Best of luck!

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          Quote: Originally posted by ayenowitall on April 29, 2004


          I've always heard that people who select their own numbers should buy their tickets as early as possible because the lottery computers that generate QuickPicks won't give out any combinations that have already been played until all number combinations have been sold. The thinking here is that you're less likely to have to share a jackpot if you "claim" your numbers early because they won't be given to anyone else unless they actually happen to select the same numbers by design. By the same token, it is said that QuickPick players should buy their numbers at the last minute because the lottery computers will not give them a set of numbers that has already been sold unless all sets (either QPs or personal selections) have been sold for that particular draw. Does anyone know if there happens to be any truth to this???



          There is no truth to this theory. In a thread from a couple of months ago, I related some information I gathered from speaking with a lottery official and he categorically stated there is no truth to what you stated. He also stated, that lotteries are run very similar at all jurisdictions given they all use very similar computers and lottery terminals. There are only two vendors of lottery terminals (Gtech and Scientific Games).

          Good luck,
          Jake

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            re: ayenowitall--  I'm inclined to believe there may be some element of truth to the number selection theory and playing as early as possible.  I recall selecting my own numbers for a powerball drawing and purposely tried to play those numbers as soon as the terminals were activated.  The numbers that were drawn that night matched my first 3 numbers exactly.  I thought it more than just a coincidence.  On the other side, regarding playing quick picks later in the day....I've read several  single winner's stories who won with a quick pick selection state that they purchased their numbers around 5 or 6 p.m.  Could be coincidental, but this way of thinking leans more towards being someone who is "rich and right" , rather than "broke and wrong", lol.

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              The only reason to buy your tickets early is the state can stop play on certain Pick-3 and Pick-4 numbers if they are over subscribed where if they won the state would have to pay out too much for the game to support.

              The larger games are perfectly capable of repeating Quick Picks and if the game has 14 million combinations and during rollover 14 million Quick Picks have been sold, about a quarter to a third will be repeats and no jackpot winner would be "guaranteed".

              THERE IS NO QUANITY OF QUICK PICKS YOU CAN BUY THAT WILL GUARANTEE A JACKPOT WIN ! ! !

              The best strategy would be to buy a Quick Pick each time the chance to purchase one is available.  If you've ever bought five dollars worth of Quick Picks at a time you'll often find the combinations very simular often containing many of the same numbers from line to line.  Within a Quick Pick purchase the lines are not as random as you might think, they tend to cluster instead.

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                Quote: Originally posted by BobP on April 29, 2004


                The only reason to buy your tickets early is the state can stop play on certain Pick-3 and Pick-4 numbers if they are over subscribed where if they won the state would have to pay out too much for the game to support.

                The larger games are perfectly capable of repeating Quick Picks and if the game has 14 million combinations and during rollover 14 million Quick Picks have been sold, about a quarter to a third will be repeats and no jackpot winner would be "guaranteed".

                THERE IS NO QUANITY OF QUICK PICKS YOU CAN BUY THAT WILL GUARANTEE A JACKPOT WIN ! ! !

                The best strategy would be to buy a Quick Pick each time the chance to purchase one is available.  If you've ever bought five dollars worth of Quick Picks at a time you'll often find the combinations very simular often containing many of the same numbers from line to line.  Within a Quick Pick purchase the lines are not as random as you might think, they tend to cluster instead.

                BobP


                In the large jackpot games...powerball and megamillions, it is not likely they would sell out of quickpicks for any drawing.   Possible number combinations are more like 120 million for pb and 135 million for mega.  The 90 million pb drawing sold approx. 20-25 million tickets.  Sure, number combinations will be duplicated due to the fact that 30% of players choose their own numbers which may also be sold as a quickpick.  The whole point is, after there is a jackpot winner and if all quick picks were sold, they would have to start again from scratch.  But they don't necessarily have to start from scratch during rollovers because more quickpicks would be available.  The only time a jackpot winner is guaranteed, is when all possible number combinations have been purchased.  Theoretically, the system can sell a jackpot winning ticket anytime it wants to, but it's to the lottery's benefit to have large jackpots in order to sell more tickets.  I doubt that every possible number combination has ever been played for a particular drawing.  I believe the lottery central computer does not put out as quick picks previous jackpot winning number combinations and other combinations for whatever the reasoning.  The central computer mainly calculates numbers played per cycle until the jackpot is won.  Pick 3 and Pick 4 games are operated differently than the large jackpot games due to the limited number combinations available.  Someone usually wins pick 3 every drawing, whether straight or boxed.
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                  Don't be in doubt, contact your lottery and find someone who can answer the question of whether Quick Picks must chew through all the combinations for a draw before repeating one or not.

                  Asking questions like this can be frustrating as the lotteries I've asked questions of seem to go out of their way to miss-understand the simplist questions requiring several emails often going nowhere.

                  Anyway from what I've learned there is no connection between the terminal and the central computer for the printing  of Quick Picks, they are generated randomly on the fly locally and not checked against a master list. BobP

                   

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                    i highly doubt lottery machines will wait until all number combinations are sold before they start repeating combinations.  if it did, then there would be a guarenteed jackpot winner each time the jackpot got over $150 million.  also, if a computer system did, then there wouldn't be such huge jackpots at times.

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                      Whether quick picks are generated only at the local terminal or from the central computer is an issue of importance.  I know every terminal must be able to communicate with the central computer as a requirement of the state lotteries.  They also must be able to communicate with each other.  Why they need to communicate with each other I've wondered, but it very well may be for the purpose of quick picks, from terminal to terminal.  I'm somewhat concerned with the idea that quick picks don't come from the central computer.  If that were true, I would think jackpots would be in jeopardy of having hundreds of winners per draw, rather than one to three, which is usual.

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                        Being a computer networking professional....let me clarify something.  A terminal by it's definition is a device that is connected to a central computer or another terminal in order to receive, retrieve, or disseminate data.  All terminals have to have the capability of communicating with the central computer.  This is how the lotteries are able to ascertain within an hour or so, how many winners there are per drawing and where the tickets were sold, etc.  Terminals don't have the capability to store information.  An example of a terminal system other than the lottery is the airlines. 

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                          So..... Is there no consensus here on the answer to my question? I'm not so sure that lottery officials would be the best people to ask about something like this. My experience in the past with questions like this about casino gambling and pari-mutuel horse betting has been that the people you'd think would know usually don't have a clue...even though they might have answer...LOL. I once called lottery headquarters with a question about a scratch-off game and all I got was a wide variety of guesses! Maybe a good IT person from G-Tech or Scientific would be in a position to know. Is there by any chance such a person who frequents Lottery Post?

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                            The lottery terminal generates the quick picks using a random number generator within the teminal. The terminal does not check with the central computer prior to selection. After a quick pick is selected, the terminal sends the information to the central computer for the purpose of recording the transaction. The terminal does not print the ticket until the transaction has been sent to the central computer. The terminal must wait for a successful transmission of the transaction before printing to prdvent the possibility of the existance of a lottery ticket without a record of it at central. Without a record at central, a ticket cannot be redeemed as a winner. No one wants that to happen.

                            Good luck,
                            Jake

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                              It looks like you're right, Jake. I found the answer to this on the Minnesota State Lottery Question and answer page.

                              Q: If I buy a quick-pick ticket, can anyone else get those numbers?

                              A: Yes, more than one person can receive the same quick-pick numbers. Quick-picks are randomly generated by the terminal at the retailer and there is no central computer that is controlling their generation.

                              http://www.lottery.state.mn.us/qanda.html#07