There were  32 predictions for Powerball for 9/15 in CT. Only one hit three numbers out of the five. The rest could as well be random picks. But proving that would require a much larger sample. If the predictions are based onsome rationel, then the values should reflect this by favoring certain numbers over the rest.

Of the 32 predictions two numbers were selected by seven players and two different numbers by six players, seven numbers by five and four numbers by five players, nine by four, eight by three and fifteen numbers by two.

Needless to say, nobody would have gotten rich by playing any of the 32 predictions.

Since so much money can be won on powerball, why not devote a separate posting to only powerball?

It might be interesting to tabulate the ten most popular numbers listed by predictors. A simple program could be devised to take care of it and be updated as each new prediction is posted anyplace on LP. Let's ask LP Webmaster to to provide such a list.

Bertil

I think you are right about the need for a separate forum or section for Powerball and maybe the other large jackpot lotterys. I do have some thoughts about the Powerball game that may pique your interest in the randomness of Powerball numbers frequencies.



I have a theory about the machines used for Powerball. It is possible that they are using several machines and rotating them instead of using the same machines over and over. I base this on the fact that we have not seen the same people winning big money consistently (Someone who has really figured out the system). If you were able to look at the history of balls picked from one machine, a true pattern could be established after a certain amount of time of tracking. But when machines are rotated, you lose the ability to accurately track history of the picking of the balls and the number picking becomes truly random.



Another reason why I say this is, Look at how long the game has been in existance (years) and if the company has been using the same machines for the white balls and red balls for this length of time, how come no one has come forward and said "I have the system figured out and win consistently". If someone could figure out when the Powerball people rotate their machines, then a true baseline could be established on each machine.



Otherwise, a guess is just a guess. I did win $8.00 this past Wednesday with 1 + Powerball number. And the numbers that won came from this web site. My Powerball / Megamillions program has been lacking lately in the quality of accurate picks. I use UltraLott Multi-State Powerball and Mega Millions Version 9.0. It has paid for itself and then some with the most I have won being $21.00 with the most number of lines being played at 20.

I have been testing my theory of rotating machines by

making a wheel based on the last 5, 8 and 12 picks. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.



Another question is: How many lines are enough to win? 1? 5? 10? 20? The man who won over $200 Million played $400.00 worth. I would not put that much money into playing any lottery.



Anyway, those are my thoughts. Any questions, comments, or ideas are most appreciated. Thank You and Good Luck!



Gatorone

Dalzell, SC

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on September 17, 2004

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It might be interesting to tabulate the ten most popular numbers listed by predictors. A simple program could be devised to take care of it and be updated as each new prediction is posted anyplace on LP. Let's ask LP Webmaster to to provide such a list.

Bertil

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I wrote such a simple program so I could do that if I wish on my own computer.  I copy and paste the predictions to Note Pad, edit out any words or symbols that my program can't read and load them like any other file.  Having a file, I can count the occurrences of each number and check which player had all the winning numbers in their predictions, so far I haven't seen any connection between the most popular numbers on the prediction board and the actual winning numbers.  Tonight I matched 3 of 5 in MegaMillions picking numbers my usually way.

RJOh

Quote: Originally posted by Gatorone on September 17, 2004

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Another question is: How many lines are enough to win? 1? 5? 10? 20? The man who won over $200 Million played $400.00 worth. I would not put that much money into playing any lottery.

 

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Jack Whittaker of West Virgina both $100 of QP's for his PowerBall win of over $200M and another guy in Michigan used the change he got when he paid $100 for a hot dog to buy the BigGame QP's that won him a third of the biggest jackpot ever. 

Everyone knows the odds of a win, they just have to make up their minds about the amount of money they are willing to gamble to win a jackpot.  With only $20, you got to be lucky or have a good system, that is reason some people think their chances are better in a big pool, but I think there are more single winners than pool winners.

RJOh

Bertil,

What does "random" mean? The question is rhetorical. Just think about it.

Good luck,

aye'

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on September 17, 2004

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If the predictions are based onsome rationel, then the values should reflect this by favoring certain numbers over the rest.

Bertil

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Bertil,

I have dozens of different methods for selecting PowerBall numbers, and they are all capable of producing vastly different results. I think the numbers generated by any method basically depend on the theory or philosophy behind that method. Any numbers can be drawn, so a successful method should be capable of selecting any numbers.

We can apply our skills, but there's still a large element of luck in the jackpot games. Consequently, patience is needed to see winning results from any method. I'm still looking for that magic method to produce the big win. My latest thinking is that a successful longshot bet requires a longshot solution. That might just be beyond the limits of any discernible rationale.

Good luck,

aye'

Lottery is not just a matter of randomness,because randomness may not JUST be the dominating cause of a random lottery result any more.It just appears that lottery numbers are that random!Actually true randomness is almost impossible to create depending on the technology we have now.

Lottery drawings are the unity of chaos and order.Chaos refers to the randomness while order refers to the regulation of maths and statistics,etc...People have been thinking neither lottery is random nor is simply controlled by many hidden regulations.

But I believe Lottery is the unity of the two.So during the predicting process,two factors should both be considered. The traditional RNG  lottery formula,quick picks generator can not simply work out the lottery result as it only emphasizes the randomness part,and Most lottery system ignored the randomness part.Even if theres such a system that focus on the ramdonness part,it just ignored the regulation as well.No system has ever make the two as one until I made the first attempt.Realising this,the key part should be focused on the unity of the two and it will take great efforts to find out how.It is the time to start a revolution.

Trance

Quote: Originally posted by Gatorone on September 17, 2004

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I have a theory about the machines used for Powerball. It is possible that they are using several machines and rotating them instead of using the same machines over and over.

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They had a big changeover years ago from the "Criterion" ball machines from Beitel to the current "Halogen" machines by SmartPlay. I remember hearing somewhere that it is 4 machine sets and 8 ball sets PLUS 2 machines and 4 ball sets for remote drawings... but it wasn't @ the MUSL site so I take it for what it's worth.

Quote: Originally posted by Gatorone on September 17, 2004

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If you were able to look at the history of balls picked from one machine, a true pattern could be established after a certain amount of time of tracking.

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Question 1)  Of the 32 predictions, did each prediction have just 5 numbers or did some have a larger string of numbers -best numbers from which a good number or good wheel could be formulated?  Question 2)  Did everyone of the five jackpot numbers on the 9-15 draw, 1,8,17,28,50, appear on at least one of the predictions or did 1 or 2n of the 5 winning numbers manage to elude all 32 predictors?  Question  3)  The guy that hit the 200 mil with $400.00 worth of tickets-did he use all QPs or did he make his own selections?  Question 4)  Of  the 32 predictions, were any of the 53 numbers ignored by all 32 predictors and if so how many if you know?        My thoughts on how to attack the PB jackpot ....it definitely has to be some sort of group effort.  I previously put my general ideas on Hypersonig's blog.  After all, if one were to successfully eliminate 99% of the existing 5# combos, there would still be 28,696 combos left and when the 42 PB #s are figured in, it brings the odds against you back over 1 million to 1...better that 120 mil to 1, but still far to high for a sensible person to risk much cash on each draw. Thats why I feel it has to be a group effort.  Any thoughts.  Pigskin

Quote: Originally posted by pigskin on September 18, 2004

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Question 1)  Of the 32 predictions, did each prediction have just 5 numbers or did some have a larger string of numbers -best numbers from which a good number or good wheel could be formulated?  Question 2)  Did everyone of the five jackpot numbers on the 9-15 draw, 1,8,17,28,50, appear on at least one of the predictions or did 1 or 2n of the 5 winning numbers manage to elude all 32 predictors?  Question  3)  The guy that hit the 200 mil with $400.00 worth of tickets-did he use all QPs or did he make his own selections?  Question 4)  Of  the 32 predictions, were any of the 53 numbers ignored by all 32 predictors and if so how many if you know?        My thoughts on how to attack the PB jackpot ....it definitely has to be some sort of group effort.  I previously put my general ideas on Hypersonig's blog.  After all, if one were to successfully eliminate 99% of the existing 5# combos, there would still be 28,696 combos left and when the 42 PB #s are figured in, it brings the odds against you back over 1 million to 1...better that 120 mil to 1, but still far to high for a sensible person to risk much cash on each draw. Thats why I feel it has to be a group effort.  Any thoughts.  Pigskin

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          To Pigskin,

          Most of your questions can be answered by reviewing the actual predictions on

          9/15 with the drawing:1-8-17-28-50--20.  To save you time I will try to answer.

          Q1: each prediction was specific and no wheeling was required.

          Q2: only seven picked 1, only four picked 8, only two picked 17, only three pick

            28, only four ppicked 50. Only two picked the powerball 20.

            Q4: there were four numbers ,14,23,30 and 32, ignored by all 32.  If my

            calculations are correct, there would be 2.5 missing numbers after 160

            random selections, disregarding any standard deviation.

             It is interesting to note that one of the predictors recycled the same picks 

              for 9/18, thus indicating they are not based on previous results.

              Bertil   

Quote: Originally posted by Bertil on September 19, 2004

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It is interesting to note that one of the predictors recycled the same picks for 9/18, thus indicating they are not based on previous results.

Bertil   

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How did you reach this conclusion? I don't think that's necessarily the case. The results of the most recent draw don't always change the picks yielded by every method of number selection. Also, not every method of number selection uses all the results from a game's history. I've used several methods which automatically discount the results of the most recent draw(s).

Good luck,

aye'