How about the top 5 predictors getting together and prediciting what the numbers will be and that way you may come out with a Jackpot winner.  I've been reading the post and we have some awesome people working on predictions but having 5 of the top coming out with several numbers that they agree on could be worth a shot.

Cool idea.  But a lot of them don't post much, or are only into pick 3 and pick 4.

But getting some of the recent big hitters in the jackpot games to work together that way would be interesting and helpful to everyone.

I'd suggest the following predictors:

PadawanLotto 

 RJOh

 Rick G

LottoVantage

tntea

derek7

bellyache

LOTTOMIKE

I've put in several extras in case any of them don't wish to participate for one reason or another.  There ought to be five among those who'd be willing, maybe.

Jack

sounds like a winner.  I hope they decide to give it a shot.

I'll have to remove my name from the list because I'm giving jackpot games a break right now and concentrating on pick 3.  But it's a good idea.  Each person could post their 10-15 best numbers and you could look for matching numbers.

Jack,

You left Rip Snorter off that list.

Since top predictors make the list by posting predictions, anyone can track and correlate their favorite predictors posts and use the results. 

Predictors have their own systems, favorite lotteries and predict for fun and bragging rights, all which goes against the the team concept.

If anyone can use the prediction board to come up with a jackpot winner, good luck to them. 

Kidsmom:

That takes two possibles off.  My impression is that Padawan's pretty busy at the moment, so he's probably not going to have time, also.

My name, as RJOH correctly observed, was never on the list, so there's no requirement that I remove it.

But you're still left with a good group of predictors if you want to try and get them to do it.

Jack

PadawanLotto 

 RJOh

 Rick G

LottoVantage

tntea

derek7

bellyache

LOTTOMIKE 

Great post. I couldn't agree more...

Also the fact that they post independently of each other (we presume), using different strategies (we assume) lends added weight to their predictions. Any kind of collaboration degrades those confidence-boosting factors.

Also the fact that they post independently of each other (we presume), using different strategies (we assume) lends added weight to their predictions.

 Fibonacci:

I've wondered about that sufficiently to cause me to study some predictions looking for similarities.  I came away convinced the folks who are flashing the lights on pick 5 and pick 6 are working independently.

As for the question of whether kidzmom's idea might be good or bad, it seems to me that's open to question until someone tries it.  No way of knowing whether having several of those people doing it, if they were of a mind to do so, would make for better predictions, or worse ones.

I'd get some pleasure out of watching (some others) give it a try if they wanted to.  I'm just not in danger of being one of them.

If some want to do it seems to me there's no reason they shouldn't.

J

Rip maybe you could set up a channeling session and one of you could be the forecaster and the others be receivers. each receiver will write down the numbers being forecast. And possibly the winning combinations will be recorded.

Larry, maybe you could set up a channeling session and one of you could be the forecaster and the others be receivers. each receiver will write down the numbers being forecast. And possibly the winning combinations will be recorded.

I'm game but I may need time for setup depending on the lotto chosen.

I am thinking of a number between 1 and 39 can you sence it.

four4me,  I am thinking of a number between 1 and 39 can you sence it.

Hot Predictors (Last 30 Days by Prize Ratio)

I designed this new icon in hopes of getting a peek inside the head of derek7.  I surely would like to know what's going on with that one.

But thus far all I'm seeing is bellybuttons and fingernails.  Probably not even his.

Jack

Kidzmom:

Looks as though LottoMike's weighing in to volunteer for the effort, Padawan's agreed to it also.  That's two of five.

And you've got Four4me (larry) chewing his fingernails and twiddling his toes hoping someone will ask him (even if it's only for channeling or seancing numbers for the group).  Larry's no shabby predictor, so he'll make a good addition if LottoMike and Padawan agree to let him into the mix.

 There's three of five.  Looks like you're close to having a convoy.  If you can talk a couple of those others into it you'll have a full-house aces high.

Good luck to all of you on the effort.

I suspect a lot of non-systems LP user-folk might make some money on this one.

why yes that would be 12

what's a mater Jack don't you think channeling can work if 5 people come up with 5 numbers isn't that just as good an idea as any other.  

Actually Larry, what I think is that you're putting a lot of words into my mouth the past couple of days.  All I can assume it that the words must be a metaphysical manifestation of your own yearnings and goals.

what's a mater Jack don't you think channeling can work if 5 people come up with 5 numbers isn't that just as good an idea as any other.  

 As for this most recent expression of what I think I'll not offer an opinion, except to say I don't believe all ideas are equal where coming up with winning numbers is the goal.  If you think this one's a good one, go for it.

But I thiink if you're trying to channel my views on things you'd do better to stick with numbers.

Jack

hey man i don't have a problem with you i was just expressing a theory along metaphysical lines as you also have done in many posts. You crack wise with lots of posters but if someone cracks wise with you get wired. I wasn't trying to be a wise ass. there are people who do channel.  it's not something i invented.

Personally i don't know what your views are as you and everyone else on this planet have many and they change like the weather.

you say you don't offer opinions well you and i know what that's worth. You have ideas and opinions in hundreds of post here. If you feel i singled you out as the channel master well don't get too excited. I take it all back just keep doing what your doing your good at it.

Sorry Larry.

Online social interplay ain't my best suit of clothes.  I'm here about numbers and understanding them.

I'll try to cut back on my opinionations and smartassedness.

Thanks for pointing it out amigo

Jack

Good Morning all,

Since we are all one big happy family here, I wanted to see how the numbers would stack up with 5 of the top pickers.  We are all into finding fun ways to come up with numbers and best of all understanding them.  I think that there have been some very good ideas on the board and everyone is entitled to their own opinion without making comments to offend anyone else.  Constructive opinions are more welcome than destructive opinions. 

There seem to be 2 maybe 3 interested in participating but you never know how the numbers will fall.  You have to be a positive thinker and have a positive attitude when dealing with lottery numbers whether it be pick 3 to pick 6.

Good LUck to us all in Wednesday Night drawing.  I am going to put my numbers on the predictor board for NC powerball just to see how I do .

gee, sounds similar to something i suggested weeks ago, which everyone ignored.  i think its a great idea also.  there are many good predictors here, and many good hits. but no one has hit the jackpot, and i dont believe anyone ever will, on their own.

everyone should know by now, that things get done, when people, and minds come together.  you have everyone here doing there own thing, and no one working together. i asked for some help awhile back on some things i was working on. for some input and feedback/never got any.(except a little from Guesser, thanks Guesser.) anyway.....

i believe this should just be a start.. another idea is for each person that are top predictors to just post one or two numbers that are on the top of their list for coming in on the next draw. then some of us may have a shot, as with 15 numbers, though your limiting the odds, it is still a pipe dream for those of us on a limited budget. 

i suggest having the top 5 predictors give 2 numbers each that they feel are most likely to come in the very next draw.  good luck.

Hello nclottoplayer,

I did not realize that you had posted something like this a while ago, but at any rate it is a good idea. Pipe dreams do come true you just have to have faith and have a positive attitude about it.  Why don't you form a lottery pool with some trusted family or friends and that way your limited budget can actually be a bigger budget on a weekly basis.  You have to have guidelines and rules like I made up for my group of 10 people. 

We have hope, faith, and positive attitude.  Whatever you were working on, try putting it out again and maybe this time people will see and give you some more feedback.  Sometimes people are just too busy in their personal lives that they don't get the chance to see everyone's post on LP and sometimes it takes time.  Still believe that you had a good idea and continue to work on it and the next time may be the time for you. 

keep the faith

do you know what the odds are of winning this big one approx. 40 million to 1. pooling probably would give you a better shot because you could generate  more combinations.

does anyone have some type  of system the use for lotto or powerball. 

does anyone have some type  of system the use for lotto or powerball. 

 Not a soul here has anything of that sort.  We're all quickpickers.

J

nclottoplayer,

Most of the top predictors are premium members who are use to posting 50 lines per drawing, were you really surprised that asking them to change their style of predicting for the benefits of someone else didn't get any response?  You should share that idea with a group of friends, coworkers or family members and form a lottery pool that will play numbers picked that way.  Good luck to you

RJOh

Just check the prediction page, there are plenty of premium members posting 50 lines for almost any lottery you want to play.  If I was you, I would check their prediction statistics before I played their numbers in a real drawing using real money.  Good luck to you.

You might check out the constantly running threads, the PB Challenge, and the MM Challenge.

People post predictions there, sometimes good ones.  Recent 3+1 there.

Maybe you'll find that's helpful.

Jack

NClotto,

Threads are buried quickly on LP.  That's what happens when 45,000 people are talking at the same time with some of them monopolizing the conversation.  I have said for a long time that there should be a daily limit on the amount of threads a member can start in one day.  The number of threads could be tailored to membership status.  

Again, it's a matter of personal responsibility and courtesy to our fellow members to let others have a chance to talk too. 

Getting back to the subject.  Kidzmom, as I said before your idea is good and if implemented properly, I'd be glad to participate.  By that I mean one game, MM or PB (maybe the one with the highest current jackpot at the time).  The participants would have to be able to list all of the numbers that they would be including in their wheel.  I use about 50% of the available number pool.  If you wanted me to pick two of those numbers, I couldn't do it because it would fail every time.  But I might have three of the drawn numbers from my 25 number pool.

If you had five people giving their 25 best numbers for MM or PB white balls for example, you would have 125 numbers to choose from.  The obvious selection would be the numbers most often repeated by all five people.  For the bogus ball, you could leave that to the individual playing these numbers to decide for themselves.

It seems the only workable way to do what you are describing.  If you guys decide to go that route, count me in. 

Edit:  I would also like to see Rip Snorter a member of the group using his unique method.  The more varied the methods, the better the results will be. 

Nclottoplayer:

I've been reflecting on this thread on and off this afternoon.  I'm one of the people who ignored your suggestion.  I might have joined a conversation, as I've joined this one, had someone responded.

I think there are several aspects of pick 5, pick 6, and jackpot games predicting you mightn't have considered.

1. It takes a lot of work to develop methods for predicting double digit games.  The people who manage to do it with any degree of success are able to do so because they worked hard, mostly alone, and persevered.  For the most part, nobody helped them, partly because nobody who's managed it is likely to tell anyone how to do it.
2. For most, doing the work-ups to get moderately successful numbers each draw is also a lot of work.  Nobody's helping anyone to do this.  The people who do it mostly work alone.
3. Jackpot games are paramutual.  The person who's done the work to win it, assuming someone has succeeded in doing so, has no reason to wish to share a piece of it with countless (fantasy, probably, but there you are) others who haven't done the homework and labor to learn how to predict, but who merely read a thread, or a prediction page.
4. These games aren't the same as pick 3 and pick 4.  Those numbers can be shared without any cost to the person who shared them.

The people who've agreed to share numbers here are generous.  They are giving and getting nothing in return.  I'm grateful to them for doing so because I hope to learn something.  If you use the numbers, win or lose, you might consider being grateful, also.

They're agreeing to do something that's not owed anyone in any way.

J

white balls-15,16,17,18,19,26,27,28,29,36,37,38,46,47,48,52,54

power balls-

8,14,17,19,24,28

don't know if these numbers are any good.thought i'd throw them out there for tonight.night do good or might be bust.

anyone else care to add to the pot?

Mike,

I'd join you in your initiative of posting numbers for PB tonight, but I can't at this time.  I've never played or looked at Powerball in my life  I don't even know when the drawing is or what day it is drawn (Wed., Sat.?).

The only way I could participate is 25 numbers from each participant for the white balls and no bogus ball predictions.  (That's what puts the parimutuel in parimutuel) and an even distribution of picks from each of the participants.

Actually most of the new threads are started in the Pick3 and Pick4 forum.  The Math forum seldom gets more than one new thread a week and threads started in the Lottery Discussion, Lottery Systems, Jackpot and Pick5 forums are usually on the top page of that forum for a day, they may get bumped off the home page by the active threads, but they  remain on the top page of their forum.

Mine are on the predictions page and on the PB challenge thread if anyone's wrong-headed enough to want to use them.

I've got the lousiest history in all Christiandom predictioning PG, though I think my bogus ball numbers might be good'uns.

J

The Utopian solution would be to have a deflate option for specific jackpot games with the ability of members to check off which members' picks they want to deflate.  The check-off option for what specific players' picks you want to deflate would be a nice feature for any game.

Edit: By deflate option in the jackpot games I'm referring simply to the times a number was chosen. 

Yeah it would.  Nice thought.

As it stands the only way way my numbers have of getting deflated is by being posted or played, then afterward compared to the numbers drawn.

Usually that's deflating enough for one evening.

J

thankyou for your comments., while i agree with some of your points, i do not with all of them. 

first, while i see many predictions, and realize alot of time was spent on them, i do not see any jackpot winners here, and am willing to bet there have been none here(on big jackpots, ie powerball, megamillions, etc.) in the past. 

please dont lecture me about time either, sir, while i realize there are many that just look to someome else for tips, and spend no time of their own, i am not one of them. i spend approx. 5-6 hours every nite, for years now, and have prob. logged thousands of hours trying to figure things out, unsucessfully i might add., so save it.

further, while you may think that narrowing it down to 15 numbers plus 4-5 numbers for powerball is something great, i dont. i think anyone could do this over a period of time, and occasionally have 3-4 numbers, possibly even the powerball.  but that is a long way off from the jackpot in the end. further, the amount of combinations of 5 winning numbers out of 15 is enormous to say the least, and no one could possible play even a moderate percentage of them. even in a pool, unless you had tens of thousands to spend on each drawing.

my suggestion was such that it would add a different perspective to things and possible revive peoples excitement about the possibility of actually winning. if they seen 4-5 winning numbers coming out of a pool of say 10 numbers.  even with that, the odds would be astronomical, and even if everyone here played those 10 numbers, and they all came out of the 10, i can almost guarantee that no one would actually win the jackpot, and when it comes to 2nd place, where someone may have a good chance, its a fixed amount, so it is irrlevant how many win, you wouldnt be sharing it with anyone, so what r u talking about.

i stick with what i said, i believe, that people working together on something could get this done, but i dont believe anyone by themselves ever will, in the history or future of any big lotto anywhere. if you have proof of something different, i am willing to listen, otherwise i let the facts speak for themselves. when is the last multimillion dollars someone won using their system by themselves, who happened to be a member here.....?......thats what i thought...

while there have not been any jackpot winners here on lottery post there have been a few pick 5 winners.st. germain and lucky larry i think are two that come to mind off the top of my head.st. germain has hit the pick 5 not once but twice for jackpots.there are some pretty smart people here.we had a guy here called bigloooser who actually had everybody's attention because he was picking at least five numbers out of the powerball drawing and he had a successful system but pulled a vanishing act and no one has seen him since.he is talked about from time to time.he probably hit it big.

Did anybody run a simulation to see how well they might have done wheeling the most frequent numbers used by the top predictors or even the predictors with winners on the board last night?  Some time an idea sound better when it's talked about than it is when tried.

, , , further, while you may think that narrowing it down to 15 numbers plus 4-5 numbers for powerball is something great, i dont. i think anyone could do this over a period of time, and occasionally have 3-4 numbers, possibly even the powerball. 

 Nclotto:

You're correct.  There's a lot we'd disagree about.  Fortunately there's no reason for either of us to care whether the other agrees.

Hopefully those others working together will give you a set of numbers that will allow you to share their jackpot with them.

Good luck,

Jack

I believe the next PowerBall winner will be someone who picked his numbers, whether by QP or a system, without any help from anyone else.  Picking lottery numbers is not a team sport.  I hope if a LP member predicts the next winner, he also played it.  Good luck.

How about the bottom 500 predicters getting together and predicting what the numbers won't be?

 ----------------

There is no formula or pattern looking forward or backward to tell you what the next numbers will be or what the previous numbers were.

Sounds like a good idea but I doubt if they could pick all fifty.  My guess would be any amount above thirty-five would have at least one of the winning numbers.

Most people who have been playing the lotteries over the years have used quite a few different systems. I can think of several dozen systems that I've used myself. Some of those systems have worked better than others. Maybe each of us should take the number selections of his top 5 systems and play the numbers that those prediction results have in common. Using that approach, nobody would have to share the fruits of his labors when the winning jackpot numbers are extracted from the mix.

aye'

From the interest this thread generated it appears I was right, top predictors aren't interested in changing or combining their systems with someone elses system or collaborate with others when making their picks.  Predicting winning lottery numbers isn't a team sport.  Good luck to anyone who takes up the sport.

Kidzmom asked for a cooperative effort to win a jackpot game.  Read the responses.  Very few of them have offered anything "cooperative" to achieve that goal.

Negativity breeds negativity. 

While many of the posts didn't seem "cooperative", they were "protective".  Some predictors have their unscientific quirks and hunches about predicting that they aren't willing to debate, posting their predictions is as "cooperative" as they get.

Very true, RJOh.  In any paimutuel gambling endeavor this will be the case.  That's why I like the daily games and why those forums are so full of helpful information and cooperation to win the game.  It's simply us against them.  The greed involved in a parimutuel game pits us against each other and them. 

The lotteries are smarter than the average bear.

Much of the helpful information about the daily pick3 and pick4 games come from players who may have won or will win those games top prizes but the top prizes are $50 to $10,000, so even if someone believes he is in a gambling endeavor with other members there is no expectation of sharing anything but numbers.  With jackpots of $100M+, it's hard to treat PB and MM the same way, if someone was in a group sharing numbers and actually won a jackpot a big misunderstanding might be exposed.

The greed involved in a parimutuel game pits us against each other and them. 

 I don't believe we're actually pitted against one another, Rick.  Some of us are sort of Internet 'friends', or simpatico acquaintances off LP, and we've frequently either helped, or attempted to help one another regarding jackpot games.

If I ever get any better at predicting jackpot games those are certainly the ones I'll do my best to help in the future.

If I've seemed 'uncooperative' or protective on this thread it's because any numbers I'd have provided would have been worthless.  I'm lousy at PB and MM.

But if I were great at it, I'd still see no reason to post numbers on a thread such as this one, even if I were involved in a group working on the problem, which I'll never be.

I'd far rather 'help' folks who are as nearly friends as anyone's likely to get online, more-or-less exclusively.  If I was good at jackpot games and I wanted to do some charity work I'd buy an extra ticket with my numbers on it and give it to some guy living under a bridge.

This entire thread is based on the premise that none of us can come up with winning jackpot numbers alone, that we need a group.  It might be so.  I wish anyone well who believes it, and I hope their participation results in a jackpot for themselves and for those who've contributed nothing to the effort except a request (or demand) that it be done.

I just don't happen to be one who believes it's true one person can't do it alone, nor that if it required a group, there's any reason to do it on a public forum.

But I'm glad the thread happened and some minimal attempt was made by others.  It's certainly been interesting.

J

iamnext in top 5

Yes Jack, it has been interesting and time not wasted.  I don't play these games for the same reason as you...I'm lousy at it.  But that's not to say that a group of people couldn't put their best numbers on the table and with a tool like deflate, come up with the most common numbers among the group.  I think it could work, at least to get a few bucks back from the game more often than not.  Too many different angles of attack to preclude that scenario.

Working together doesn't necessarily mean divulging secrets or splitting jackpots.  And working alone doesn't mean you can't win alone.  People are doing it all the time.

Consensus numbers for 8-12-06 PowerBall Challenge:

8

18

26

32

6-15-20-23-34-35-46-47 (8-way tie for fifth number)

PB: 19 (1st choice)

      28 (2nd choice)

Draw numbers for 8-12-06: 13-14-18-27-54,  PB: 32

Consensus picks hit white ball 18 only.

A consensus of the PowerBall Challengers is not a consensus of the top Multi-State games predictors.  I was looking at the top 10 predictors list and that list is a whole different list when it's regenerated by state or/and game type.  Maybe taking a consensus of the top predictors of the game type or/and state that you're playing will get better results.  Just a thought I'm throwing out there.