Hi Everyone,

I receive Steve Player's monthly newsletters where he is always trying to sell really expensive packages and systems.  They never seem to come with a money back guarantee.  I am just curious if anyone uses his systems on here and has won anything? 

Thanks,

Lottery Analyst

have used them - a few boxes once in a big while. in my

opinion - not worth the big bucks.

Emily,

Thanks very much.  I agree 100%. 

Anyone else?

not worth it for pick 5-6. Might be good for pick3-4, but I think you can learn many of the same tricks reading lots of forums & websearching. He's big into incremental betting as I understand it.

 I bought the one for this year that cost 365.00 and I should of keep my money. I have only hit twice boxed. Just got a new one from him for 495.00 and he says you will hit in the first 21 days. You have to play 36.00 a day. Not for me it went in the trash!!!!!

Rebeckah and Grammy3,

Thanks very much for your replies.  Is there anyone that has had a good experience with his software?

Thanks,

LA

I buy his systems in order to get ideas for creating my own strategies.He has a lot of good systems but you have to modify them in order to get better than average results.He is able to "HIT BIG" using his own systems because he created them I tried using them the way he instructs and had no luck so I started making changes so they would be easier to use.There best used for selecting numbers then using software to generate your combinations.I have dozens of his GOOD systems even some of the EXPENSIVE ones unless you understand how his systems work and know how to MODIFY them don't purchase any.The most recent ones I have are the "Pick-3 Money-Map" and "The Ten-Span System" and I do plan on getting his latest the "Cash Overlap"

I have bought some of his systems.  Too expensive for the few hits.  I got the Cash Overlap flyer in the mail today.  Very impressive but just too expensive and no guarantee of money back.  Maybe he did win that much or maybe he is just good making it look that way.  Maybe we need to check with the state lottery and see if they really paid him that much.  Lots of maybes.  I challenge him to play in Texas.  We have 4 to 5 pre test draws and they rotate between 17 ball sets and 3 or 4 machines.  Texas is going to make sure that the number chasers in Pick3 game will win less and less.  Just my opinion, but if you do decide to buy his systems, good luck to you and many blessings.

If Steve Player's systems are so good, why does he keep coming out with new and improved ones?  For those prices, he should offer a free upgrade.  Sounds like he spend more time coming up with new and expensive systems to sell than he spends playing lotteries.  If anyone was making money using one of his older system why would they spend $300-$500 for a new system to play the same old lottery.  If the lottery doesn't change, why would a player need a new system to do what the old system was doing, unless it support new features found on a newer computer?

RJOh 

Steve Player

who is he?can I find him anywhere

I need to challenge him

Lottoking:



Sorry don't have an e-mail, but try: http://steveplayers.com



Tim

thank you timmer.

at the right time I will post powerball prediction.and just one time for real could makes someone rich enough/lets just go for it/you know i have been looking for the right time.

lottoking

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your responses.  I guess the common thought here is that his systems are overpriced.

RJoh brought up an excellent point.  If his systems are so great and win so much and so often, why does he need to keep creating and developing new systems? 

I always said jokingly with my family and friends, one day I will win a major jackpot, and then I will write a book on how I did it, and I bet you I will make more money from the book than I did from the jackpot win.  I think that is what Steve is doing, only it seems he is trying to milk it a little to much.

I've heard no positive things about his systems.  I would like to hear from a Steve Player Supporter?  I am open minded enough to listen.

Thanks and have a great Sunday.....  LA

You might have noticed Steve doesn't hang out here.  A wise move on his part because he doesn't have to answer any questions.  Man I'd like to ask that guy some questions and get honest answers.

I'd really like to know if any actual research goes into Pick-3 systems' picks or if the predictions were randomly generated to be the picks.  Where you enter your numbers from the draw and do something and go to the chart, is what's on the chart really the result of major research or just random picks?

I'd really like to know whether the numbers he played had any relation to the system being sold and how many systems he was running concurrently at the time.  He could have been running ten versions of the same system going with the one(s) that won and tossing the failures as an advertising expense.

I'd really like to know if the check displayed was the target or the highest win before the system crashed and burned all that cash.  Did he want to win $75 grand and pocketed it and still wants $495. for the system or was the target $150 grand and $75 grand went down the drain with only a photo copy of the check to show for it? 

Well one thing I know for sure is that his winnings are for real just go to the New Hampshire Lottery website all of them are posted.I know he spends a lot on his picks in order to get those BIG returns,personally I believe he wins more than he spends but others may disagree.Either way I still buy his stuff I could care less about the specifics concerning his WINS his systems help me out a GREAT DEAL.

I don't doubt he won the $75,000.00 check displayed for his latest system, past wins have checked out.  The question is whether he got to keep it or reinvested it in the next doubling of the wager and lost it.

His systems I've seen were older and cheaper. Those all the effort went into the sales promotion.  The system was all numbers with no theory discussion or valadation of my choice to purchase it.  One system I won't name was to pick only odd or only even numbers and wheel those until a win.  I wasn't real happy with it.

Even you're saying the systems don't work as they arrive, so what's a fella to do lacking imagination to rebuild the system?

Well in your case I guess quick-picks would be the only thing left to use.When I started buying his systems back in 1998 I couldn't get them to produce any wins but

after learning how to use and develop systems myself by 2001 I was able to distinquish between his systems that are worth buying and leaving the useless ones alone.Most systems developed aren't really good for actually producing combinations that will hit some out there can but not on a regular basis.I discovered that they were really good at helping me develop my own strategies for selecting numbers and that's how I use them.

What do your instincts tell you about the Cash Overlap system? 

Well after thoroughly reading the Newsletter I believe it's a good system to get a lot of ideas from and it might even be good enough to use the way it's instructed

but I'd have too see it to be sure.But I know it will help me with my current number selection strategies.

never one a dime from one of his systems and i have the alpha system,the cheat sheet system and the powertrap system not to mention his first the lotto win wheel  SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!! OVERPRICED B.S. 

heres the secret to alot of these scam systems sell them to enough people get them playing the game and law of averages takes over there will be some winners!!!! i truly believe lottosync maybe different than this as they dont offer a free trial!!! a free trial would offer them the opportunity for thousands to try this and guess what???? there would be many winners!!!!

when i buy an expensive steve player system (and i have too many times) - i want it to work. don't have time to modify it. it should work as is. just my opinion.

I agree but what can you expect from a paper/pencil system when you have Lottery Software that can't do what his systems are suppose to do.A lot of the players here are better off spending money on quick-picks then software and systems.Software requires more input then systems and does take time to master and systems are developed to pretty much do the work for you and provide combinations to play by doing supposed simple workouts.From my experience it's not the case so you have to approach these tools with caution.I use to be naive when I first started buying software and systems thinking that they were the "Magic Tools" for hitting the numbers.The only thing that there good for is helping you learn how to select your own numbers there more of a "teaching tool"for learning.

Pick-4 Master have you seen/used any of his systems for pick-6? It seems that he's helpful for pick-3/4, but I wonder about pick-5/6 games? The pick 6 system I bought was no better than a RNG chart. He was supposed to write a book on pick-6 systems last summer, but I haven't heard anything about it yet. I also keep in mind that whatever he's selling is for ANY & EVERY lottery, so that static # chart was not specific to my game...

My advice to anybody that wants to buy a system is to learn how to use a spreadsheet on your office program! Or use excel. Reading forums & looking at other's software will help you get ideas of charts to make & it'll be specific to your game. THAT is the most helpful *system*, & it will give you a skill {spreadsheets} that may someday transfer into your job. At least it will improve your resume. If you don't want to make the small effort to keep spreadsheets, then stick with a good designated number wheel & pencil & paper tracking. I think you can even find that here under a *when you know one number* thread. Buying a static system not specific to your lottery is not much better than a random number generator. IMO. :) 

I have The Pick-5 "Double Cap" and "The Pay-Day 5 System" which are really good systems in fact he won a Pick-5 jackpot here in FL using the Pay-Day 5 System.Of course I'll have to make changes which I've already done to the Pay-Day 5 which is one of his best in my opinion.His Pick-3/4 systems are better than his Pick-5/6 if you notice all his winnings are from the daily games he doesn't use the Pick-5/6 systems to play.Out of the 16 Pick-5 systems in his Catalog only 7 are worth getting and out of the 22 Pick-6 systems only 10 are good.

Which Pick-6 system did you get?

Hi Everyone,

The census appears to be that Steve Player's systems work great with pick 3 and pick 4 games but not too much luck with Pick 5 and Lotto 6 games. 

I had an idea.  I was thinking it would be interesting if we could test one or a few of Steve's systems.  Maybe any Lottery Post member that has one of his systems could use it and post numbers on here for any Lotto drawing.  They could do it for a few drawings and they would not need to buy the tickets, so it would not cost anything but their time.  I think it would be interesting to see how his systems did.  Posting predictions using his systems for a number of drawings would prove his systems do or do not work.

Thanks,

LA

What does everyone think?

That's not really gonna prove anything because Steve "WINS" using them and I know a lot of players that have won using them."emilyq" just informed me that her nephew has had luck using a few of them.I'm quite sure there are probably more players that haven't won anything compared to those that have.A member from this post had his Power-Blox and Payday 5 system she won $5,000 using the PayDay 5 and won $1,000 using the PowerBlox.Also if you were to give one of his systems to 50 members from this post you might only get 10 that WIN anything.You can't blame the system necessarily because you got players with varying skill levels when it comes to using software and systems.I have a program called "P34LOTTO" which I've hit the Cash 3 with more than once while a buddy of mine has the same program and hasn't hit any numbers.Another friend of mine has

"LOTTOMATRIX 3" and has hits once a week while I only hit one time with it.

It's not hard to win at Pick-3, it's hard to show a profit over time.  Steve's doubling systems have to land on that perfect moment where the wins cluster close enough to play a progression with the state's money.  This means a lot of false starts and broken progressions to be suffered in the hope of getting to the one big win that turns Pick-3 into a jackpot prize.

I wish he would clearly point out the doubling system isn't a prediction system.  He should package his best prediction system with his best doubling system.  It's kind of funny, he says he should win the lotto nobel prize for the doubling sysetm, but to me it looks like a front loaded pick-6 wheel concept converted to a front loaded Pick-3 concept.  Also funny, the system is for 16 straight plays, yet the initial cost comes in at $36. (due to front loading) an amount he usually likes to cover by backing up the plays with box bets only he doesn't this time (habit?).  If he went with 17 straight plays he could have worked in a 2if2of3 wheel with a better chance of hitting unless he's using an open 2if2of3 which can be done in 16 giving up  two percent to chance. 

You know he can't reveal his "Little Secrets" behind what really goes on with his systems and how he wins so much money.This doubling system your referring to does it have anything to do with his new Ovewrlap system?

I would love to see someone with his pic 3/4 post some #'s for Mass. and then make a believer out of me. Seems all talk and no proof. Will someone step up to the plate and hit a home run with it? Hope so. Thanks for listening.

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on December 04, 2003

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You know he can't reveal his "Little Secrets" behind what really goes on with his systems and how he wins so much money.This doubling system your referring to does it have anything to do with his new Ovewrlap system?

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If he's not revealing how to win with his systems, what good are they to anybody but him?

The instructions that accompany his systems tell you how to use it in order to win what he does personally to win so much is a different story.And as for "what good are they to anybody" there good to me because I get a lot out of them and will be a life long customer.

Cool Pick-4 Master,

Since they are good to you and you will be a life long customer, why don't you post some numbers or predictions so we can see how you use them.  Maybe if others can see one or two people that can win with his systems, other may believe.

Thanks,

LA

Posting numbers won't help anyone learn how to use them if anybody wants to know how I use them tell me which system you have and if I have it I'll explain to them what I do.I don't post numbers like other members do because I'm not a "Predictor" I'm a "Gambler" and I don't study every states game just Florida.I prefer to leave the predicting to members like "Pick-3 Fairy" and

"Lotto-King".

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on December 04, 2003

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The instructions that accompany his systems tell you how to use it in order to win what he does personally to win so much is a different story.

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I think the answer to that is fairly simple. Steve was lucky in the beginning and won a big sum of money. The more money you have, the more combinations you can play. The more combinations you play (with a system that makes at least a bit of sense offcourse) the better your odds of winning big again...

There was a study in the UK on the profile of Jackpot winners. Turns out that most jackpots are won by those who are already rich !!! (Read: those who can afford to put a lot of money at risk)

How to win

 I have the Pyramid system. It does not work for me in Pa. I can give you a few lines of it

  012 013 014 015 016 017 018 019 023                                       

  37  52    27  96  83  68  52  83  47

    4  9    8    4    7    2    9    2    6

  Now if the number that comes in is 150 you go to 015 And you would play 564 094  964 196  Or you would just play 564 094 the next night. It is one of the easy systems. That was one from 1987. The one I have now that cost me 365.00 he sends you numbers for two weeks and I have hit once boxed the year so far.

I bought 2 of Steve Player's systems.  "The pick 5 Prime-Line System" and  recently  "The pick-5 PlayMax Lottery System".  No winnings with either system.

Florida Fantasy 5 is the game I play most.  It was more fun, with better odds when it was 5/26.

FL Fantasy 5 is 5/36 now, right?... here in PA, Cash 5 is 5/39... And Stupid 6 is 6/69!

talk about a house advantage!

Yes Florida Fantasy 5 is 5/36.  When it was 5/26 the prizes were smaller, 20-25k, but there were winners almost every game. 

Florida Lotto is 6/53, but that's better than 6/69. 

That's the first time I've known of so many numbers in a lottery game.

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on December 04, 2003

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You know he can't reveal his "Little Secrets" behind what really goes on with his systems and how he wins so much money.This doubling system your referring to does it have anything to do with his new Ovewrlap system?

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It isn't hard to figure out from what he gives us in the ad.  The reason you're putting $36. on 16 numbers is as he says . . .

"You will play one of your 16 numbers six times.  You will play three of your 16 numbers four times each.  You will play six of your 16 numbers two times each and you will play the remaining six of your of your 16 numbers just once."  This is a front loaded system, you put more on your better numbers.

It would take me some time to work out the actual progression from the checks he shows and I don't know if those are all the checks, but from the big check $100,000.00 less $25,000.00 taxes = $75,000.00 we know the final play had to be $200.00 on the number that won. 

He does say you have to build up the wins to $8,000.00 cash in hand to start playing for the big money, the $8,000. is supposed to last for 10 plays. 

The above does nothing for me, as it's a front loaded doubling system likely broken down for each step in a nice booklet.  What's important is where the numbers to be played come from?  The system if any is slid over where he says . . .

"To use the system you will need ot fill in your games past results on the workout sheet.  You will then fill your new numbers onto the OVERLAP GRID which will then give you your 16 Pick-3 numbers to play for the next drawing."

I'm not getting comforting thoughts this is a super system he's including as the above is the only mention without promotional comment on its quality. Sounds like an exchange of working numbers to static numbers as likely randomly generated as specially worked out based on every Pick-3 game in the U.S.  Steve sounds excited about the big check, not the prediction system.

I had a pick-6 #chart. Don't remember the name of it. It was basically just a listing of static #s that you play the next # in the series type of thing.... I tracked it for about a month and it never got more than 2 #s right out of about 20 ? numbers. You can do better by playing the #s that hit most frequently with each other into a 20 line wheel. The other thing I got was something for a pick-3 that was advertised as for *lotto* & i thought it was for a pick-6. Again, that problem with defining what *lotto* is.... They let me return it as I had no use for it since I only play pick-6. Which was nice. I now am very cautious about *big hype*. Of course, I now what I'm looking for & can tell if something's worth buying. I do have a few other software programs which help, but I mainly rely on spreadsheets. 

I ordered his Pick-4 MoneyMap System last year ($495.00). After losing almost $10k playing the Hoosier Lottery's Daily4 game, I found out that they no longer use ping-pong balls, but switched to an electronic random number generator sometime in 2000, and they won't say when they changed it over. They didn't bother to publicize the switch, so people think they're still using the PPB method because the program is animated to look like ping-pong balls. They use this machine for all of their online games, including their 6/48 lotto. I also learned that the Hoosier Lottery tracks players' selections on a central computer before each drawing; they know which numbers have been played, how much has been bet on each number, and even where each ticket was purchased. I no longer play in Indiana.

Back to Steve Player's systems, after tweaking it a little, I used the Pick-4 MoneyMap in Ohio, and won $6,800.00 in one drawing (17 $1.00 box bets on 2448), so I believe his theories are sound; the problem wasn't the system, it was the game. Obviously, no one wins every day, but the MoneyMap System will dventually reveal signifigant opportunities in a Pick-4 game. I had invested about $100.00 over five days in Ohio before I hit the $6.8k, and that night I spent $30.00; $13.00 on 2488 and $17.00 on 2448 (I actually meant to bet $15.00 on each number, but I gave an attendant the wrong bet slip. Lucky me, huh?). As I said, I had to tweak the system a bit (seperate charts for overall hits on each digit, pairs and doubles, and frequency charts for each position. All of this info is on the system chart, but it's difficult to see if you don't separate it on different sheets of paper), but once I had all the information broken down, it was just a matter of waiting for the law of averages to take effect.

Any good lottery system is based on the law of averages. The major innovation of the MoneyMap System is entering your numbers vertically on the chart from lowest to highest. Since all bets are boxed, this method works very well in a game using ping-pong balls. I don't believe it will work in a game using an RNG. No one has been able to convince me that a computerized electronic random number generator has the same odds as four bins of ping-pong balls, especially when the lottery already knows which numbers I've played and how much I've bet on each number. However, they still advertise the odds for the Pick-4 game as 1:10,000. They tell me that the reason they track players' selections prior to each drawing is "fiscal responsibility. If too much money is bet on a certain number and that number hits, we might end up paying out more than we took in." Their words, not mine. The way I see it, they have no business with that information. When I buy a Pick-4 ticket, my odds (supposedly) are 10,000 to 1 against me. That's the chance I take. Without published liability limits in place, as most states have, if they have to pay out more than they take in, then that's a chance they take. Another thing that bothers me is this: I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree (not the part that bothers me), but I know that if something is computerized it uses a PROM chip or an EPROM chip, which means it can be programmed. To carry it further, if they have their RNG tied into their "central computer," they can easily minimize payouts on their daily games, and build their lotto jackpot at will. We recently had a jackpot of over $28M. In a 6/48 lotto game, the published odds are 1:12,271,512. We have four border states, and we also get some regular players from Wisconsin. With ticket sales of twenty million dollars a draw (about average), the math doesn't come out. How can you sell twenty million tickets twice a week for three months and not cover every one of those 12,271,512 combinations at least once??? This means that at least 16 million combinations, 4 million more than the total possible, were duplicated for each of twelve weeks or more, somehow without hitting the winning combination even once. My advice? If you're betting more than a dollar a night, don't play the Hoosier Lottery games. Find a state near you that still uses ping-pong balls to draw their numbers. Odds of 10,000 to 1 are still pretty steep but, with a good system, they are manageable. 

Well, I've gotten that off my chest; sorry for the diatribe, but I want to get this information out there so Indiana players know what they're up against. On to other things.

I've just ordered Steve Player's CashOverlap System ($495.00). Does anyone out there have it already and, if so, have you done any good? I can see from the newsletter that I'm going to have to break it down to its components and reassemble it for use in Ohio. I just can't see spending $800.00 a draw (as implied by "Stage 2"). Anyway, I'd like to know if anyone has hit $1,000 to $3,000 in their state's Pick-3 game using the CashOverlap system. I haven't yet received my "registration form" (which stipulates that you won't seek a refund if you're not happy; I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure of the legalities of this policy), but if anyone who actually ordered it can comment on this system, I would be grateful.

Continued good luck to all of you. 

Here's my experience with his systems.

The first time I ordered his system was when I got his ad in the mail and it was for the Isis system. It sounded interesting but for $495. His ad sounded pretty good, price is high so I figured it must be of high quality. I was somewhat disappointed. His Isis system didn't give me a system to pick numbers, it was basically just a discription of how to use the dollars from your winnings (how you actually win you have to figure out, not a part of this system) to progressively wager future picks. It's probably something the professional lottery players already know and use but this guy got the balls to sell it. The system just shows you how much the money your win can last before you breakeven, then any winnings you do have you would use those to prgressively increase you wagers. Then from there shows you how much that will last. Repeat until filthy rich or break even :)

Since I needed a system to actually help me pick numbers I had to purchase another system. I read his ad for the Profile system for the 5 number game. His ad said that you "only" need to pick 3 numbers right to win the jackpot about half the time. Wow, I thought. I regularly get 3 numbers using a system that I've developed (by the way, don't ask me, I'm never going to sell this) so why not use this system to help me get those combos??? So I bought it. I figured that with this system I could win the jackpot at least once a week since I regularly get 3 numbers (my state's 5 number game is played twice daily). Wow, I could potentially win 100000 per week!!!

Alas, again somewhat disappointed. I'm not saying his system doesn't do what he claims but it's not what I  expected. In this system he expects you to somehow get the exact first 3 numbers. That's not easy. When I get my 3 numbers they are usually dispersed among the 5 numbers. He never stated in his ad that the numbers must be the very first 3 numbers only that you need to get 3 numbers. Oh well. I'm not that upset. He has another system, the Alpha 5 that does not require the 3 numbers to be in specific positions so I'm ordering that one soon. He claims that if I have the 3 numbers then my odds of winning the jackpot are reduced to between 22 to 1 to 46 to 1. Of course I am guaranteed the 3 number wins but also a couple of 4 number wins.

Since I get 3 numbers regularly, the prize for a 3 number win is $5 in my game. That's not a bad return actually. A 500 % return on my money, much better than the stock market:) But I want the big one. I figure (here I go again figuring!!!) that I could win the jackpot at least once a year using the Alpha 5 given that I continue to regularly get 3 numbers using my system. Since this system requires $18 to play each time and if I played one draw per day for the entire year the cost would be about $5616 total for the year. So if I win $100000 in that 1 year span that's not a bad return at all. That's not including the 3 & 4 number wins.

I guess the moral of the story is that don't get too excited and go wasting your money on his stuff unless you have the money to waste and don't expect the holy grail. I only buy his stuff to supplement my own system which is good enough for me. Please don't ask me for info about my system, I'm not in it to sell anything and never going to.

Hope some of this mumbo jumbo is informative. Later and good luck.

That's basically what I discoverd from his systems there best used as a TOOL or GUIDE along with your current strategy.Using them exactly how he describes did not work for me unless I made changes.After 4 yrs of studying systems I was able to determine from his Catalogs or Newsletters which systems would help and which were useless.I easily determined that his "ISIS" system would be a waste of time by his discription of it.My lottery buddies wanted to chip in and get it but I was totally against it and it took much convincing for them to realise it.

They also give me "GREAT" ideas to implement in my own strategies.

Absolutely. I agree with both of you, but I'm not certain it's worth the ransom he demands for these "innovations." What bothers me most is that, after you've sent your money, he sends a "registration form," which states that you can't return the system once you've received it. I don't know how it is in the rest of the country but, in Indiana, a person has three business days to change his mind about any purchase over $100.00. I've made copies of everything, including the PAM (CashOverlap System), the registration form and the cashier's check. If it turns out to be BS, I'll send it to our state's attorney general and see what he has to say about it. The guy's pretty smart, though; the real money seems to be in telling other people how to play. 

Yes I would agree he probably makes more selling his systems then he does using them but either way he's making "A LOT" of money.All the systems I purchased I was satisfied with so I don't worry about whether you can return them or not unless there defective as far as printing or missing something.

Hello everyone, just thought I should throw my hat into the conversation and add that i purchased 3 systems also.

1. Omega 3, which deals with tracking pairs that were out the longest. You would end up with 3 daily numbers to play.

2. Pick 3 Modular Plus, which is a little difficult to explain but would leave you with 8 daily numbers to play.

3. Lucky 7 system, find the one digit that was due to be drawn and find and play the list of numbers that was under that digit. Total of 18 numbers to play boxed per draw.

Omega 3 and Pick 3 modular plus were the two systems that i mainly used and did ok with them by following the progressive wagering system that came along with them.

But, that was before the NYS daily numbers game went to 2 draws per day!!! Then for some reason the systems couldnt track for a hit. I stopped playing realtime and just continued on paper just to see if anything would have happened but it turns out that i quit in time before i would have been in the red. I started to track day and evening seperate but got fustrated when i would mix the day results with the eve results by accident and didnt notice until it was too late. So i put it on the shelf for what appears to be for a long period of time now. I have a couple of ideas now that i'm going to use with the systems but if anybody has any for these two systems, throw 'em my way and i'll try them out too.

I don't have those 2 systems but I have others and plan on getting the 2 you mentioned.It really is bad when they go to 2 drawings a day like that I'm glad FL hasn't and hope that they won't because it just makes things more difficult for us system players.

I have purchased many, many, of his systems including the BIG BUCKS ones, however I don't recommend them for the average player who only wants a "quick fix or pick"

These methods that he demonstrates are paper and pencil systems which means that they are not computerized which makes tracking more difficult for those of us who are not disciplined with the tracking of numbers and the various games.

With that having been said.  I do recommend his systems for the systems player.  Don't let the high prices scare you if you are in it to WIN.  Kind of like stocks you get back more than you put in if you invest in the methods and not the quick fixes.

My personal favorite is the Prime line for the pick 4 game.  But like I previously said I use various methods including loving GAIL HOWARD & Smart Luck Systems.

Webmaster LeRoy

PS:  I hope this helps

go to salomaa - interesting article on fallacy of steve player programs,

scam!!! scam!!!! scam!!!! steve player systems are overpriced fluff!!!! wishful thinking at best!!!!!

I don't see how there scams I have many of his systems and get a lot out of them.

Do not waste your time nor money unless you only want ideas at a mega premium price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Been there done that with his pick 3 systems.

pick4 master his systems promise riches !!!! and they just dont deliver  complete false advertising!!!! caveat emptor!!!!!

correction - not salomaa - go to www.saliu.com to read fallacy of steve player systems.

Well I've corresponded with many players that have won money using his systems anywhere from $500-$5,000 as far as promising "RICHES" no system or software can do that by itself.So I don't buy his systems based on his "HYPE" Advertising if you know how to use a Lottery system or Lottery program you can WIN a lot of money.With Steve you just have to know which systems are good and which ones aren't.

Well I've been crunching some past numbers (pick 3) with one of my Steve Players system and have found myself $194 ahead of the game. Just on paper of course...now thats playing 8 numbers @ .50 each straight.The hit occured on the 14th day. I've started tracking again immediately following from the number that hit to see how long before another hit occurs. Will post when hit occurs.

I'm a newby at this site. I'm avid Texas C5/37 player.

I can't believe people would spend hundreds of dollars for number generator systems that don't work!

The number generator, in my opinion, is the human brain! All one needs is some graph paper, pencils and the time to log drawing results. I use alpha-numeric substitution, which reduces a very large picture to a snapshot.

Can't say I've won a jackpot, just 4/5 in three drawings in past year.

I pick my own numbers based on alphabetical sequences. Most emphasis is on pairs.

If I win, great, if I don't, it's my fault. Can't blame it on a costly system that someone else uses.

Golgo13 may I ask which Steve Player system you are testing?

Pick4Master,

I have one problem with what you are saying.  You state that you have to know which system to buy.  Now, how would you know that before you bought the system?  I am curious on your answer.  His advertising really doesn't say much except how much is possible to win.

I know I asked Hosni a while back about the money map system...........and he told me it was difficult to set up and he would get back to me.  He never did.  So all you big shooters in the Steve Player arena never tell anything to anyone.

Which Pick3 system are you referring to in winning the most money in the Pick3 and Pick4 especially the Pick3?  You never say how much you win in the Pick3..........only the possibilities.  As you know, I am your friend.  I have no intention of discrediting you.........but if a Steve Player system works in one state it will work in another at some period of time.  So which system have you found to be the most effective in the Pick3?

"Player"... should be warning enough.

I would never sell a system... but if I did... I would market it as such...

1. Post some specific picks to PROVE it worked, not broad "horoscope-style" "100 numbers for 40 states" while explaining that they are the result of a new system. And not for lotteries that the potential customers cannot play. and a manageable field, say $10 or less...

2. Do it again... to rope in the "doubting thomases"

3. offer the system for sale to people who PLAYED the picks and made some extra money with which to BUY the system.

4. Repeat 1 thru 3 every month or so, while using and refining the system constantly on a personal level...

ANYONE NOT doing the above is full of &^$#... and if you can use something from these systems... then great, congrats... you are in the minority. I can track stats myself, I have never won any major JP, but enough small wins to keep interest... But I never lost a dime on lottery software. 

it's all about proving it, and to my knowledge... NOBODY has done that yet...

Okay let me clarify what I mean by this,first of all I don't actually "USE" his systems to play I only use Software.What I do is get ideas and strategies for selecting my numbers to wheel.He has some really good ideas in a lot of the systems he creates but the problem is that the way he sets them up are really difficult to use the way he instructs or are too complicated to work out.What I do is take the parts that are good and leave out the unnecessary steps or concepts.So I can't say I WON money using any particular system of his but it did help me develop some really good number selections strategies.Now as to how I decide what systems are worth my money I read the catalog or newsletter extensively especially where he describes how the particular systems work or is set-up

No matter how brief it maybe it's enough info to make a decision.His catalogs go into greater detail for his older stuff but since I've been doing this for quite sometime I'm able to instinctively select a good system over a bad one based on the information provided.For example some of my buddies wanted to purchase his "ISIS" System but I told them it wasn't worth it because it wasn't an actual system.Luckily they listened to me because I read somewhere on this Forum where a player bought it and was very dissappointed.Anyway I don't know which systems personally work the best for any state but if I were to use one of his systems exclusively I would use his "Money-Map",WynnTek","PowerBlox","3-Day Cash Play"

"BaseLine Grid","Cash Overlap","Cash-Trax","WinMaster"

"Prime-Line","Pick-3 Recession Buster","Pay-Day 5","Power-Trap" and "Modular System" along with the Pick-4 versions.I only buy his systems for ideas and also to modify them for my own personal use.If I were traveling out of town I would use some of the systems he did on his "Lottery playing Trips"across State

seeing as how I can't bring my PC along they would be a good traveling system to use.Now as for proof of whether the systems I mentioned actually work I have a disk full of messages from post I made on various forums seeking info about them and whether they were good or not majority of the responses were "POSITIVE"

where money was WON.

It's been quite obvious to me that with all the "TOOLS" available out there for us number players not everyone will get anything from them like me and other members have.So my advice is to develop your own method,buy quick-picks or get numbers from other players I don't discredit anything a player decides to use even "Quick-Picks" which I "DESPISE" but that's because they never did anything for me but that doesn't mean they won't work for someone else.Same with systems and software a lot of players believe there worthless and that maybe the case but "FOR THEM" not for all of us.A member in here I wn't mention has the same Pick-3 program I have I've hit the Pick-3 several times using it while he hasn't been able to get 1 hit and was on the verge of

never using it again.I sent him some info on how I use it which I have done before for another program called "LottoMatrix-3" this particular player had this program for some time but could never hit any numbers with it I sent him a quick tutorial and within 2 wks he hit the Cash 3.Now it's one of his favorite to use because I showed him the best way to use it and explained which filters to use and how to set up his numbers.This doesn't work all the time because everyone has different skill levels when it comes to software and systems but the more you work with it the better you'll become.I'm not doing this to make a living only as a Hobby and I do well enough to keep on playing.

Pick4Master,

I used to get his newsletter but I haven't bought any of his systems in a long time.....years actually.  When I did receive them and he was promoting a new system, he never really described any kind of methodology in it.....just how much money he won.  So I really don't see how you could get an idea on what system to buy based on this. 

I personally have the Winmaster, the Modular System and the Recession Buster.................the Recession Buster really stinks and I have put a lot of time into it, trying to refine it and still think it stinks.  I can't believe you have hit with it.  Now the Modular System has promise but not the way he works it.........I have gotten something out of that one........by doing the workout and reading from the bottom up of the 3 lines before the 9 boxes he has for his workout.  The Winmaster has some wins but too many numbers  to work with. The best free file I got was from BobP and his TTT.  I use that alot and I wish he would repost it for everyone.  I don't want to share it unless he wants to share it................so maybe one of the LP members can post on here and ask BobP to repost it.    It is an awesome tool...........and I try and use one number from the previous draw and work with it.................anyhow...........good luck to you and thanks for the explanation. 

Like I was saying since I've been doing this for so long I can read his Newsletters and get a lot out of what little he may say."The Pick-3 Recession Buster" is one of my favorites I found a "GREAT" way to use it by adding and changing some things.Is "TTT" the Tic-Tac-Toe method?

who is bob p

The Prime Line 3 is the best of the lot.  You can combine it with Multiple Stage Wheeling for best results.  Those are the best he has.  The others are not very useful and not worth the money.  I won all of his systems in a contest about a year ago and have been studying them.

Orangeman

I have the Prime-Line 3 and 4 plus the Multiple Stage Wheeling can you briefly describe how you use them together?

To Pick-4 Master:

Once again, you are correct. Steve Player's systems are not tutorials on how to win the lottery. Rather, they are another way someone (Player) has developed to analyze past results in order to predict future winners. Many people can't win with a Steve Player system because they expect it to work right out of the box. If this were possible, the working class in this country would disappear. In his higher-end systems, such as the MoneyMap or CashOverlap, he emphasizes that the player needs to take the time necessary to become familiar with his methods before he or she actually invests any money in tickets. This is crucial, since Mr. Player is not very adept at explaining things clearly. A novice player reading one of his manuals is like a mathematician explaining the differences between integral and differential calculus to a liberal arts student. Before I get flamed for that comment, I should point out that I have two friends who are liberal arts majors. They're both very intelligent, but neither is technically savvy.

There are certain elements of Steve Player's systems that, while pricey, have proven to be very effective in various daily games. I'm not crazy about shelling out five hundred bucks for something I've never seen, but those are real checks and real tickets he shows in his newsletters. Admittedly, I was upset when I couldn't get a hit in Indiana with his MoneyMap, but it wasn't the system that didn't work, it was the game I was playing. Using it in Ohio, I won $6,800.00 in one night. The key to this system is listing your results from lowest to highest. This alone is a major innovation, especially in the Pick-4 game, since this forces the numbers to surrender to the law of averages. It also reduces the total number of pairs to keep track of to 45 in the Pick-4 game, since 38 is the same as 83 in a box bet. It's little things like these that Pick-4 Master is referring to when he says that he "uses" Steve Player systems. He studies the manuals, graphs and charts carefully, picks out the nuggets and ignores the fluff. The trick, my dear Sandy K, is to know the difference. That can only come from experience; it can't be explained in writing.

Any novice player who is interested in the lottery will initially lose money. I lost when I first began playing, and so did everyone else I know. Some of us became passionate about it, others stopped playing. Those of us who still play couldn't continue to do so without at least an occasional win but, fortunately, it's not about the money. It's a "David and Goliath Syndrome," I think, that keeps us in there swinging away, trying to beat the state at its own game, and there's no sweeter feeling than when you actually pull it off. The lottery is a game of percentages. The house has a decided advantage, but there are ways you can gain a few of their percentage points in your favor if you're willing to put in the time to learn the nuances and subtleties of your chosen game. Starting out, I would recommend you play the Pick-3 and concentrate on box bets. You won't get rich, but you'll probably win enough money to finance your lottery education, and that's what's important; that you don't get discouraged. As your level of experience grows, you will naturally begin to investigate other games in your state. You'll know when it's time to do this when you become bored with the money you're winning on Pick-3 box bets. By that time, you'll understand the game in ways that other, less experienced players couldn't hope to grasp it. If you're not passionate about it, though, if you think that all the scribbling and figuring and poring over endless charts and graphs is too much work, then maybe you should take up knitting, or some other passive hobby.

Lottery players are a committed bunch (and some of us probably should be committed); we have something to prove. Astronomical odds are merely an obstacle to be overcome; any online game an enigma to be unravelled. We stand united, with our charts and graphs, our pens, pencils, erasers and White-Out, our colored markers, our highlighters, even our last dollar, if that's what it takes to win. Yes, we stand united, in glory and in defeat, on the front lines of this war against the empirical state lotteries, and we will not rest until the blood of every state lottery commisioner paints the... uh...      Sorry; Patton was on earlier tonight. I'll just go home now... and find my... um... pills...   

I had to learn the hard way when I first started using systems and software I got to the point where I was gonna throw everything I had in the trash.Then one day I decided I really need to educate myself on all this Lottery number stuff.Now I'm happy to say I have learned a great deal on what to expect and what not to expect from these tools.

By the way "jim" do you have both versions of the Money-Map? I totally overhauled the way his Prime-Line 3/4 systems are used but I haven't had a chance to mess with the Money-Map yet,I also plan on getting the Over-Lap System.

LMAO ......Jim, you are a GEM!  What a wonderful post.....  Thanks greatly.  Reading this has made my night, believe me.  I could relate to much of what you said (and said so well ), plus got a tremendous chuckle.   Hope we hear from you again soon, regarding any topic.

Jim,

Not a knitter, thank you..............I do quite well with my own graphs and charts.........I don't need to be suckered into buying expensive software from rip off artists like Steve Player.  I am afraid that knitting isn't my style and neither is passive so I have worked my ass off to come up with my own way of picking numbers.  Check the pick3 predictions for Michigan........at least I post them...............where are yours and pick4master's  Florida posts?  Hmmmmm......not there.................so I wonder how much of this is all b.s...why don't you post for your state?  Just making an observation, not starting a fight or a challenge.  I am like Visiondude........put up or shut up.....people can talk but can they take the walk...............hmmmmmmmm...I wonder.  I don't know what state your from......but why don't  you take all that knowledge and post a couple predictions and see if you can score the touchdown in 4 quarters..........this past week in Michigan...........I predicted 2 boxes and 1 straight...........hmmmmmm...I think I scored the touchdown.......with about 20 numbers predicted................

I think I do more than knitting................and I still think you are all suckers for buying the Player systems. 

I'vebeen asked to post numbers before some were request others were challenges.My reason for not doing so is basically because I play the numbers for myself no one else, when I win or lose it's me that did it and I don't want others making comments or doubting my skills just because my numbers don't hit for them. There my numbers I selected them for me others should select there own numbers if they can't then there are plenty of members that do post here.It's hard enough concentrating on your own without having to deal with

how others will view you as a player based on how many hits you get them.I have copies of my winning tickets that I keep for my records and technically since we are

"GAMBLING" the only challenge we should face is trying to beat the Lottery Commission and there draw machines not each other this is not a "CONTEST" amongst players because we're all going after the same thing that's why I share my knowledge of systems and software but not my numbers.No one did that for me when I started I learned everything on my own so if it's information you want then I'm willing to give it if it's numbers you want then ask me how I select mine and I'll be more than happy to share that knowledge so you can select numbers for yourself.I've had a similiar discussion with VISIONDUDE and my response to him was I have nothing to prove whether my methods are better than yourusing quick-picks becasue when I WIN you don't pay me the "LOTTERY" does.So to let everyone know I do hit the numbers and I will share what I know with anyone but if you want me to post the only thing I will post is the particular method I used to get my numbers,I'm a "GAMBLER" not a "POSTER" or a "PREDICTOR" we have plenty of members that do that already.

if your method is good enough,you will stop posting methods.you may share some numbers till then

And no lottery system could make a winner.

Lottery systems and software won't help you win if you don't know how to use them,if you do then you can win.But I guess you don't need these tools because your a "PSYCHIC.Sharing knowledge is just as good as sharing

numbers I prefer to share knowledge let the other members share there numbers I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself.

Would Somebody be kind enough to email me a copy of the 80 page catalog he has for download on his site "Steveplayers.com"???    I already downloaded the file and can't view it! I tried everything,Java is enabled, I tried 3 different computers, 2 different browsers....nothing works! I even downloaded the software he suggests on his site and I still can't view the darn file!   It is a ".MV" file extension....can somebody change the file extension to something simple like an Adobe Acrobat PDF or regular text file so I can view it?   I'm only interested in the Pick 3 systems!

I emailed him but got no response... Thanks for reading this question!       

I forgot....my email is ja467055@yahoo.com      If it is still a MV file...I still wont be able to view it. Can you change it to a Adobe Acrobat or regular text file?   I don't know how complicated this is so if its a major deal just forget it!      Thanks again!

Joy2:

If you send an email using his customer service link, they'll mail you the new catalog in about two weeks. I just received one today. Don't bother clicking the "Order Catalog" link on his website, though. What comes up is the HTML code for his order page. I told them about it a month or so ago, but it still isn't working. I looked, but I can't find a phone number for them, so here's the link: www.steveplayer.com.  

Hope this helps, and good luck to you.

let me do you a favour by not sending you the catalog because if i do you will lose twice 1] the cost of the system 2] the losing tickets the high priced system will genereate  do yourself a favour and odnt bother!!!!! put it this way $79.95 for a 30 page idea is not worth it!!!!! especially because it doesnt work

Hi Coolpick4,

I have the wynntek 3 and 4 system from steve player.

Could you give me any insight and how you use the system to predict number, I same to come close all the time but not able to guess all the numbers for either system.

Would like know how you do it.

sablepaige@hotmail.com

Thanks

This is a post I made about Steve Player 6 months ago.

Steve Player post

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Someone once wrote that Steve Player is the name of a corporation and not an individual.  There is no person named Steve Player according to the report.  I find that Prime Line 3 and Multiple Stage Wheeling are the best.  His Lucky Seven System is good if you know that one digit will come up and that the drawing won't come up doubles.  The Pyramid Numbers System is also outstanding in helping you find a key number.  I have done long term tracking with Pyramid and find it accurate about 50% of the time. 

Other hints:  If your state had day and night drawings, chart the numbers side by side on the same sheet of paper and you will discover some amazing things.  Many times digits migrate from day to night and from night to day.  There is also a phenomenon I call the "skip"  In the Texas night draw the number 260 was picked on January 12th.  The number 6 was picked again on January 14th.  Playing and picking numbers in a wholistic way is helpful because they interact with each other.

Good Luck!!

Orangeman

"DAXIE" your information is totally INCORRECT there are plenty of people that have WON using other methods that had nothing to do with GOD or LUCK you must be related to VISIONDUDE or something.