NC lottery winner spent $9M bailing out convict fiancé

Aug 15, 2015, 8:18 am (118 comments)

After the Big Win

A North Carolina lottery winner used part of her $188 million Powerball jackpot to bail her convict fiancé out of jail — twice.

Lamar (Hot Sauce) McDow, accused of trafficking and intending to sell heroin, was released from a Brunswick County jail last week on $6 million bail.

While bondsmen do not have to release the name of who posted an inmate's bail, McDow's Powerball millionaire fiancée, Marie Holmes, likely footed the bill. Prosecutors said she bailed him out of jail once before, paying $3 million in March just weeks after she won the lottery, WWAY reported.

McDow, who has a long criminal history including assault and drug possession convictions, was arrested in November following a yearlong investigation into drug trafficking rings. He was charged with trafficking heroin and possession with intent to manufacture, sell and deliver heroin.

While he was behind bars, Holmes won a $188 million Powerball jackpot. She took home $88 million after taxes when she decided to take the lump sum.

(See N.C. Powerball lottery winner claims share of jackpot worth $188 million, Lottery Post, Feb. 24, 2015.)

While holding a giant check at a Powerball press conference, she told local media she wanted to use the cash to finish college and set up tuition funds for her four children.

The single mom said was forced to quit her jobs at Walmart and McDonald's because she needed to take care of her kids full time. One of her sons has cerebral palsy, she said.

"This is all for them," she said of her children. "All the struggle I ever went through, it's all for them. Money doesn't change it, but money's going to help me."

Holmes also said she planned to give some of her winnings to her church and donate to cerebral palsy organizations, the Wilmington Star News reported. 

Weeks after her windfall, she paid $3 million to bail her beau out of jail.

But McDow was arrested again in July for violating the curfew requirements put in place after his release. He again walked away from jail Aug. 5 after posting a $6 million bail.

Holmes took to Facebook to defend her spending habits.

"What Y'all need to be worried about is Y'all money and not how I spend mine this is benefitting Y'all how? And no he's no drug dealer or user but who are Y'all to judge anybody? I will definitely pray for Y'all because it's much need...they talked about Jesus so I'm not surprised Y'all are talking about me but be blessed though," she posted on WWAY's Facebook page.

It's not clear if Holmes has spent any of the cash on her kids or her church as she originally promised.

McDow is still awaiting trial. He is now wearing a GPS tracker.

NY Daily News, Lottery Post Staff

Comments

ochoop17

Waiting for chapter 2 !!

Raven62's avatarRaven62

Bail seems to be set excessively high: Was it set high because they knew his girlfriend was a Jackpot Winner?

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

Small world, I knew a guy that wanted to win power-ball so he could buy his brothers freedom.

He told me he could buy off a few people and talked like it would be easy, his brother was serving

life for murder.   Why would her bo need to sell drugs if she had 88 million, the drug trade must

pay very well or it could be a setup

RL

Candy-Lane's avatarCandy-Lane

I felt angry and sick to my stomach when I read that Marie Holmes spent $9m on bail for her boyfriend! There will be more legal fees to come on his upcoming trial.  She is down to $70 something Million. I found myself thinking how much I had wished that anyone else would have won instead of her!

It was reported that she still lives in a trailer! At the rate she is going, she  may as well as stay there! She will likely end up broke in several years.

I can't help but wonder why on earth would she and her boyfriend be in any way (directly or indirectly), involved in a life of crime, when she has all that money! One would have thought that both would have retired from any such activities (if involved in).

I wish that Marie Holmes would have done right by her kids and dumped her boyfriend a long time ago. I don't care if he is the father of any or all of her children. It doesn't sound like a good environment for children to grow up in. She could allow supervised visitation to his child(ren), if they have any together.                   

Just imagine how many people could have benefited from that $9Million if she had donated it to the Salvation Army instead!

Some day I think Marie Holmes is going to wake up broke and filled with bitter, deep regret on the money that she spent on her current boyfriend.  I am talking about a day in the future, long after they have broken up and she is getting ready to go to work at McDonald's.

I hope that she will wise up real fast and make some drastic changes in her life so that doesn't happen. However, if what appears to me to be where she is heading, I at least hope she doesn't dare claim to be a victim of "The Lottery Curse!"

Well, I've given my two cents.  I am fully aware that how Ms Holmes spends her money is none of my business.  I am merely commenting on an article that has been posted.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by Raven62 on Aug 15, 2015

Bail seems to be set excessively high: Was it set high because they knew his girlfriend was a Jackpot Winner?

I think it was. Bail on people who have been charged with murder is far less.

Candy-Lane's avatarCandy-Lane

Of course they knew she was the lottery winner when they set bail! Why do you think it was set so high?

Ms Holmes paid it the first time and they knew she would pay it again.  The Brunswick county officials are no dummies!

She didn't have to (I and don't think should have) pay his bail!

zinniagirl's avatarzinniagirl

Fsad story, a fool and his money are soon parted.

 

I hope she wakes up one day and realizes beore it is too late, tat it is time to make changes to her lifestyle and her spending habits.  Of course, we only know the sensationalistic headlines.  She may habe planned ahead for her chilpdren....

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

On April 2016, she will owe the federal government the balance of her taxes. She better be careful on how she spends her money as on the surface she doesn't appear to have any intelligence or common sense.

The attorneys defending her boyfriend are already salivating at the potential windfall coming their way.

jjtheprince

Ahh the loser that screwed us all out of a big jackpot is back in the news again.

What an idiot, I hope she ends up worse off than David Lee Edwards.

Bail bondsmen and the government make so much $$$ off of dumb criminals.  If you're a criminal and you get caught it's really in your best interest to just STAY IN JAIL.  When you stay in jail you're basically giving the middle finger to bail bondsmen and the government by not giving them a dime.  These idiots don't realize that the government and bail bondsmen are greedy crooks.  Giving money to greedy crooks just makes you poor.

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by zinniagirl on Aug 15, 2015

Fsad story, a fool and his money are soon parted.

 

I hope she wakes up one day and realizes beore it is too late, tat it is time to make changes to her lifestyle and her spending habits.  Of course, we only know the sensationalistic headlines.  She may habe planned ahead for her chilpdren....

I agree.

She should have left the area and relocated to a safe neighborhood for the sake of her children. Staying in a trailer on account of her boyfriend is just another example of the lack of judgement.

if she doesn't wise up this fairy tale of rags to riches will not end well.

jjtheprince

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 15, 2015

On April 2016, she will owe the federal government the balance of her taxes. She better be careful on how she spends her money as on the surface she doesn't appear to have any intelligence or common sense.

The attorneys defending her boyfriend are already salivating at the potential windfall coming their way.

Exactly, more greedy crooks who are looking to take advantage of her.

They know she is a lottery winner, so instead of charging $500 an hour for attorney's fees, they'll hit her up at $5,000 an hour I guarantee.

She might as well just start flushing stacks of $100 bills down the toilet, the money would end up going to a better place LOL.

ThatScaryChick's avatarThatScaryChick

This is so sad and depressing. Marie has so much money that she could get her and all her children out of this lifestyle and move. She has the chance to give her children a nice, safe life but nope she continues to hang out with shady people who are obviously leaching off of her. I feel sorry for those kids. I hope she at least put some money away for them for their future but I doubt that. Unhappy

maringoman's avatarmaringoman

Bail money is not a fine or fee. It is usually returned when the accused doesn't flee.

Marie needs to wisen up and realize that her past life needs to go if she wants to have any money left for the future. I'm sure the government and lawyers wouldn't mind taking a big chunk of that money from her and she's making it too easy for them. The media is also loving it.

zephbe's avatarzephbe

Quote: Originally posted by jjtheprince on Aug 15, 2015

Ahh the loser that screwed us all out of a big jackpot is back in the news again.

What an idiot, I hope she ends up worse off than David Lee Edwards.

Bail bondsmen and the government make so much $$$ off of dumb criminals.  If you're a criminal and you get caught it's really in your best interest to just STAY IN JAIL.  When you stay in jail you're basically giving the middle finger to bail bondsmen and the government by not giving them a dime.  These idiots don't realize that the government and bail bondsmen are greedy crooks.  Giving money to greedy crooks just makes you poor.

She won and you didn't--get over it.  She isn't the first lottery winner to do dumb things and won't be the last.  I am disappointed that she bailed him out the second time.  He knew what his curfew was and broke it.  He was caught with 8000 bags of heroin that's why his bail/bond was so high--but she says he's not a drug dealer.  She's not too bright.  He is going to end up in prison anyway and she can't bail him out of that.

jjtheprince

Quote: Originally posted by zephbe on Aug 15, 2015

She won and you didn't--get over it.  She isn't the first lottery winner to do dumb things and won't be the last.  I am disappointed that she bailed him out the second time.  He knew what his curfew was and broke it.  He was caught with 8000 bags of heroin that's why his bail/bond was so high--but she says he's not a drug dealer.  She's not too bright.  He is going to end up in prison anyway and she can't bail him out of that.

Yeah she won & I didn't, but I play harder I guarantee & I don't use cheats like she obviously did.

Anybody here deserved to win more than this piece of $hit.

zephbe's avatarzephbe

Quote: Originally posted by jjtheprince on Aug 15, 2015

Yeah she won & I didn't, but I play harder I guarantee & I don't use cheats like she obviously did.

Anybody here deserved to win more than this piece of $hit.

You really think she cheated by buying some quick picks?  LOL  Enjoy your day, JJ.

oknazevad

Oh for gods sake, lotteries are NOT GAMES OF SKILL!!!!

HoLeeKau's avatarHoLeeKau

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Aug 15, 2015

Small world, I knew a guy that wanted to win power-ball so he could buy his brothers freedom.

He told me he could buy off a few people and talked like it would be easy, his brother was serving

life for murder.   Why would her bo need to sell drugs if she had 88 million, the drug trade must

pay very well or it could be a setup

RL

Why would her bo need to sell drugs if she had 88 million,

Some people just like the lifestyle.  They like the thrill of associating with thugs, feeling powerful and in charge, and feeling like they are outsmarting the law.  Remember Aaron Hernandez?  He certainly didn't need drug money.  He was wealthy until the lifestyle he loved got him tossed into prison.

noise-gate

Ms Holmes is Right. It's her money and she can do what she wants with it. Whether she succeeds or fails in her choices,  she is the one who has to live with the consequences.

Redd55

He was already in jail facing serious charges and the bail set before she won the lottery.  He's part of a large heroin trafficking ring.  It was more than reasonable to set bail at 3 million and double the bail when he violated. She may get 6 million back, tho I bet he will run, forfeiting her 6 million, with her blessing. 

Marie shd consider the fact that she and her children are sitting ducks. Any criminal could decide to kidnap her or her kids for ransom which does not guarantee safe return. If she were smart, and she is not, she would sever all ties with this guy and his associates and get out of Dodge...

music*'s avatarmusic*

 Love is blind.  When a person is in love he or she does irrational things. Such as what Marie Holmes is doing. 

 When I win big then I will be looked at by the world.  The same people who are judging Ms. Holmes will judge me.

 I do not expect to make major mistakes but sometimes irrational thoughts will occur in lottery winners. The change of lifestyle will be a culture shock.

 Now is the time to write down my plans on what I will do when I win. I will be to emotional when it happens.

jmw8138's avatarjmw8138

Not many of you all know the laws in NC. If you are out on bond for a charge and get arrested or charged again while you are out on bond, then your previous bond will be doubled. It had nothing to do with who she was. Get over yourselves, it had nothing to do with her winning the lottery. The first bond was set so high due to him trafficking heroin. The second bond of $6,000,000 was because he was out on bond for his first string of charges.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by ochoop17 on Aug 15, 2015

Waiting for chapter 2 !!

Twitch the 2nd chapter has been half written near as I can figure

 

its obvious she has very little intention of changing her ways and as I've previously stated : 

"she'll be broke in 3 and 1/2 years"

 

I reckon that by either the end of 2016 or possibly the start of 2017 we'll be reading 1 of 2-3 stories about her

 

but $2 says we'll more then likely be reading about the final chapter of her sad tale of rags to riches and back to

ye olde rag pile life with her complaining about how even the " " charities are laughing in her face and denying any claims and her kids in foster care

MillionsWanted's avatarMillionsWanted

It's just a drop in the ocean for her right now, but she better not do it too often.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by music* on Aug 15, 2015

 Love is blind.  When a person is in love he or she does irrational things. Such as what Marie Holmes is doing. 

 When I win big then I will be looked at by the world.  The same people who are judging Ms. Holmes will judge me.

 I do not expect to make major mistakes but sometimes irrational thoughts will occur in lottery winners. The change of lifestyle will be a culture shock.

 Now is the time to write down my plans on what I will do when I win. I will be to emotional when it happens.

Music... i believe the difference between Marie and the rest of the folks on here is that we learn from lottery history idiots(i.e.Jack Whittaker/others) and she has absolutely no desire to learn or listen. Honestly, what rational person bails a person out a 2nd time for actions taken that was an intentional probation violation, all stemming from the first incident ??
Oh I get the fact it's her money........it's just sad, that part of a financial windfall is being flushed down the toilet, when everyone on this site knows what phenomenal things each one of us could do to help others.
Bang Head
 Probably all of us on LP has one time or another has vividly imagined what we would do with $80 Million+ in our bank accounts. Unfortunately, it leaves a bad taste when this kind of stupidity is so prevalent.

Wouldn't it be nice if we COULD fix stupid ?   Hurray!

EZMONEE's avatarEZMONEE

No matter what type of person she is, the bottom line is that the government will find a way to get a piece of the pie. I think $9 million is ridiculous!! It's always about the money!!

MeAndMyArrow

Quote: Originally posted by maringoman on Aug 15, 2015

Bail money is not a fine or fee. It is usually returned when the accused doesn't flee.

Marie needs to wisen up and realize that her past life needs to go if she wants to have any money left for the future. I'm sure the government and lawyers wouldn't mind taking a big chunk of that money from her and she's making it too easy for them. The media is also loving it.

Yep, that's how bail bondsmen make their money. They collect ten percent of the bail up front from the defendant, post a bond to the court for the whole bail amount, and assume responsibility for making sure the defendant shows up for trial. So Marie actually saved $600,000 by posting her boyfriend's bail herself with no bail bondsman in between. Of course, she also could have saved herself a lot of time and trouble by just dumping this loser, but that's a different conversation.

And if it is as jmw8138 says, and "Hot Sauce" is still out on bail for the original $3 million, I am fairly certain that his girlfriend gets her $9 million total back when he shows up for trial, assuming that the prosecutors combine both sets of charges into one case. Yes, the government side will hem and haw, and stall for as long as possible so they can squeeze some extra interest money out of that $9 million, but eventually they will have to give it back.

The comment by maringoman above about her boyfriend's lawyers above are also spot-on. Depending on how unscrupulous his lawyers are, they could drag this thing out into one long and expensive ordeal by selling her a (crack) pipe dream about how they can get "Hot Sauce" off, scott-free.

Seattlejohn

I'm just going to go ahead & say it right now: I'm afraid she's going to end up with Dave Edwards & Jack Whitaker as a complete lotto loser.  I hope not, but she's already spending gazillions of dollars to bail out a drug dealing loser; god knows what she'll spend her money on next...

delS

Such a sad tale.  Its certainly her story.  It will play out accordingly.  There will be those who see and speak judgementally concerning her.  There will be others who will pray for her (Im in that circle). But the train wreck is playing out in front of the public, its not if it will wreck, its only when will it completely wreck. Guns in the home around kids, felons in the home around the kids, in and out of jail in front of the kids, and $9 million on bail instances is incredibly ridiculous. I hope the kids come out of the wreck safe and in a positive way.  We all believe we would be more responsible with the money, time and chance hopefully will give some of us on here the opportunity. I have had a written 40 page plan for 10 years, just waiting for my turn.

MeAndMyArrow

Assuming this guy actually shows up to court and doesn't leave her holding a $9 million bag, and assuming he is convicted (guilty until proven innocent, I know, but) ... she probably ends up paying protection money for Hot Sauce to the families of prison gangs.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

She is very lucky, that her State, is not one of the States, that force you to forfeit your bond, if you violate any conditions set forth in the bond. So she wins again albeit in a kind of ridiculous way.

BevsPicks's avatarBevsPicks

and this is your business because...?

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

If she is involved with drug dealers, chances are that she is not doing this out of love. Fear, threats and psychological intimidation are some of the  weapons employed very effectively by drug dealers. She is scared $hitless. When people are scared, they do some strange stupid stuff.

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by ThatScaryChick on Aug 15, 2015

This is so sad and depressing. Marie has so much money that she could get her and all her children out of this lifestyle and move. She has the chance to give her children a nice, safe life but nope she continues to hang out with shady people who are obviously leaching off of her. I feel sorry for those kids. I hope she at least put some money away for them for their future but I doubt that. Unhappy

Threats, fear and intimidation can do funny things to the human mind.

LottoMetro's avatarLottoMetro

There is a reason that poor and/or dysfunctional people tend to stay poor and/or dysfunctional.

I have a sibling who since we were kids just can't refrain from buying stupid stuff. Has a great job but still no money. If you gave them a billion dollars they would be broke in less than a decade. If I ever win the lottery I will be like that person in the poll posted earlier, my sibling won't see a dime.

I also have a friend, she dated this abusive guy and no matter how many times I told her to break up with him she couldn't do it. One day she learned the hard way when he tried to kidnap her at gunpoint. I expressed concern at the time and during her rocky relationship, I even told her that the way she was going she was going to end up with kids by half a dozen guys or dead in the grave before age 30. Lo and behold today (years later) she has kids with different men, no money, STDs, and more problems than anyone I know. Some people just won't change and really they are victim of nothing more than their own stupidity and poor decisions. You can blame the people they interact with or circumstances they were born into, but at the end of the day, they are the ones who choose their path.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by Redd55 on Aug 15, 2015

He was already in jail facing serious charges and the bail set before she won the lottery.  He's part of a large heroin trafficking ring.  It was more than reasonable to set bail at 3 million and double the bail when he violated. She may get 6 million back, tho I bet he will run, forfeiting her 6 million, with her blessing. 

Marie shd consider the fact that she and her children are sitting ducks. Any criminal could decide to kidnap her or her kids for ransom which does not guarantee safe return. If she were smart, and she is not, she would sever all ties with this guy and his associates and get out of Dodge...

According to the news reports I read, a bondsman bailed him out.  We don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that Ms. Holmes secured the services of that bond agency.   A N. Carolina bondsman can charge up to 20% of the bond amount, which in these two amounts in total would be $1.8 million.  She won't get that money back, that's the bond agency fee, just like a pawn shop or a bank charges interest on the use of their money.  Bonding is a little different than a bank, which normally requires some sort of collateral worth more than the loan amt. (unless it's a signature loan) and a pawn shop requires an item be left with them which can be sold for more than the amount loaned on it if the money + interest isn't paid back by a certain time, usually 90 days.   The only security for a bond is the fee charged and that's why there's a need for bounty hunters. 

(BTW, I "know" Duane Chapman, aka "Dog the Bounty Hunter";  I used to play Foosball and pool with him at a grungy little bar when I lived in Pampa, TX. during the mid-70's, but I doubt he'd remember me now after so many years.   I also knew several of the people charged along with him for the murder for which he was convicted and went to prison.  In their TV show, Chapman and his family did some bounty hunting for other agencies, but it was mostly their own bond jumpers they were after.  They were liable to lose tens of thousands of dollars if the suspect didn't show up for court.  If you're interested, here's an article from several years ago on the Amarillo Globe-News website: Dogged by the law in Pampa.)

As far as the bond(s) set being excessive amounts, the 8th Amendment does prohibit that, but it, like many of our other rights, such as free speech and gun ownership, can and have been interpreted in various ways throughout our history by the higher courts.  The judge who set the bond weighed the flight risk of the suspect, his priors, the severity of the charges and testimony from law enforcement about the crimes being charged and the evidence gathered and obviously felt there was a need for such a large bail in order to ensure Ms. Holme's b/f would show up for his trial.  The accused has also been fitted with a monitoring device.

PrisonerSix

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 15, 2015

If she is involved with drug dealers, chances are that she is not doing this out of love. Fear, threats and psychological intimidation are some of the  weapons employed very effectively by drug dealers. She is scared $hitless. When people are scared, they do some strange stupid stuff.

That is quite true. I think she needs to read J.J. Luna's book "How to be Invisible," get away from where she's living, then drop off the radar so she can take care of her children and live her life in peace.

HoLeeKau's avatarHoLeeKau

What Mike said.  Plus I think most judges also consider how likely the person is to commit another serious crime while he's out on bail.  Since this guy is a career criminal, the judge may have decided he's a high risk to do something to cause grave harm while he's awaiting his trial.

Candy-Lane's avatarCandy-Lane

Quote: Originally posted by delS on Aug 15, 2015

Such a sad tale.  Its certainly her story.  It will play out accordingly.  There will be those who see and speak judgementally concerning her.  There will be others who will pray for her (Im in that circle). But the train wreck is playing out in front of the public, its not if it will wreck, its only when will it completely wreck. Guns in the home around kids, felons in the home around the kids, in and out of jail in front of the kids, and $9 million on bail instances is incredibly ridiculous. I hope the kids come out of the wreck safe and in a positive way.  We all believe we would be more responsible with the money, time and chance hopefully will give some of us on here the opportunity. I have had a written 40 page plan for 10 years, just waiting for my turn.

delS you wrote: " I have had a written 40 page plan for 10 years, just waiting for my turn."

I read this earlier today. Anyway, I was driving down the highway a little while ago and this popped into my head.

I am intrigued delS. Would you mind sharing on this post some of what is in your 40 page plan? I have what I thought was a well thought out plan should I win the lottery jackpot.  However, I think I would struggle to fill one typed page! LOL!

You must be a very detail oriented person?

MeAndMyArrow

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 15, 2015

According to the news reports I read, a bondsman bailed him out.  We don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that Ms. Holmes secured the services of that bond agency.   A N. Carolina bondsman can charge up to 20% of the bond amount, which in these two amounts in total would be $1.8 million.  She won't get that money back, that's the bond agency fee, just like a pawn shop or a bank charges interest on the use of their money.  Bonding is a little different than a bank, which normally requires some sort of collateral worth more than the loan amt. (unless it's a signature loan) and a pawn shop requires an item be left with them which can be sold for more than the amount loaned on it if the money + interest isn't paid back by a certain time, usually 90 days.   The only security for a bond is the fee charged and that's why there's a need for bounty hunters. 

(BTW, I "know" Duane Chapman, aka "Dog the Bounty Hunter";  I used to play Foosball and pool with him at a grungy little bar when I lived in Pampa, TX. during the mid-70's, but I doubt he'd remember me now after so many years.   I also knew several of the people charged along with him for the murder for which he was convicted and went to prison.  In their TV show, Chapman and his family did some bounty hunting for other agencies, but it was mostly their own bond jumpers they were after.  They were liable to lose tens of thousands of dollars if the suspect didn't show up for court.  If you're interested, here's an article from several years ago on the Amarillo Globe-News website: Dogged by the law in Pampa.)

As far as the bond(s) set being excessive amounts, the 8th Amendment does prohibit that, but it, like many of our other rights, such as free speech and gun ownership, can and have been interpreted in various ways throughout our history by the higher courts.  The judge who set the bond weighed the flight risk of the suspect, his priors, the severity of the charges and testimony from law enforcement about the crimes being charged and the evidence gathered and obviously felt there was a need for such a large bail in order to ensure Ms. Holme's b/f would show up for his trial.  The accused has also been fitted with a monitoring device.

Thank you for setting me straight on two facts: (1) She went through a bail bondsman, and (2) he is allowed to charge her up to 20%.

On the one hand, you might think that Marie is "only" committing herself to the $1.8 million, set against the $9 million she could have lost had she posted bail without a bondsman if Hot Sauce flies the coop.

On the other hand, if Hot Sauce does disappear, does the bail bondsman firm have any recourse against Marie, or are they stuck trying to find and bring back Hot Sauce themselves?

I'm guessing that the bail bondsman is on the hook for the other $7.2 million; that's what Marie was buying when she put up the non-refundable $1.8 million of her own. The monitoring device is some help, I guess, but how hard can it be to remove one of those things if you really want to?

rcbbuckeye's avatarrcbbuckeye

Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Aug 15, 2015

Small world, I knew a guy that wanted to win power-ball so he could buy his brothers freedom.

He told me he could buy off a few people and talked like it would be easy, his brother was serving

life for murder.   Why would her bo need to sell drugs if she had 88 million, the drug trade must

pay very well or it could be a setup

RL

He was selling BEFORE she won.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by MeAndMyArrow on Aug 15, 2015

Thank you for setting me straight on two facts: (1) She went through a bail bondsman, and (2) he is allowed to charge her up to 20%.

On the one hand, you might think that Marie is "only" committing herself to the $1.8 million, set against the $9 million she could have lost had she posted bail without a bondsman if Hot Sauce flies the coop.

On the other hand, if Hot Sauce does disappear, does the bail bondsman firm have any recourse against Marie, or are they stuck trying to find and bring back Hot Sauce themselves?

I'm guessing that the bail bondsman is on the hook for the other $7.2 million; that's what Marie was buying when she put up the non-refundable $1.8 million of her own. The monitoring device is some help, I guess, but how hard can it be to remove one of those things if you really want to?

It wasn't my intent to "set you straight";  I was just going by what I had read...and you know what they say about believing everything you read.   She's spent that $1.8 million* already and won't get that back.

*What I don't know is if the original bond was "rolled over" into the new one.  Whether that's the case or not, I'm thinking that the bail agency probably didn't have to pay out the original 3 million dollar bond but of course kept the fee.  I don't know if breaking the terms of his bond was enough for them to have to forfeit the full amount of the first bond.   I also don't know if it was the same agency that put up both bonds.  If he flees, I'm sure the agency will be out the six million dollars in cash or property they put up for the 2nd bond, less the $1.2 million fee.** (I know a bondsman here in town and he often puts up properties he owns instead of cash.)

**Also, N.C. law says "up to" 20%, so they might have not charged that much but I doubt they gave a discount...would you?  I wouldn't.

I think most of those "ankle bracelets" have a tampering mechanism built into them;  if they're cut off, an alarm sounds at the monitoring station.  I dunno.  I expect he has to make regularly scheduled visits to the sheriff's office so they can inspect it and he has to get permission whenever he needs to go outside the range of the base station at the house.  (to go to church, his charity work at the Salvation Army, to volunteer at the soup kitchen, things like that. -snicker-)

I don't think Ms. Holmes would suffer any recrimination or financial burden if her b/f skipped town. (unless she was found guilty of helping him flee) The bail agency is the one exposed to all the risk, that's why they charge so much for a bond.

Earlier in the thread JJ was talking about the bail bondsmen and govt. being "greedy crooks".  While I wouldn't agree with that as a blanket statement, I was reminded of something that happened when I worked on drilling rigs.

I was off work, injured and went into the hospital for surgery.  In the meantime, the guys I worked with were heading to work one morning and were stopped for going a little too fast in a residential section.   The officer smelled pot (they were smoking) and searched the vehicle.  One of the guys was on probation and had some weed, but his little brother (my replacement) took it so his brother wouldn't have to go to jail.  The cop found some roaches (what's left of a joint, for anyone who doesn't know) in the ashtray, so they charged the driller/owner of the vehicle with possession as well.

The little brother plead guilty to possession and got a fairly hefty fine, but the driller talked to a lawyer and was told he thought he could get the charges dropped...for eight hundred bucks.  The driller thought that wasn't a bad deal, less than the little brother had to pay,  so he forked over the money.  The lawyer took it, counted out half of it and stuck it in his pocket and told him "Be right back."  He watched as the lawyer walked to the courthouse right across the street and in ten minutes he came back.  "The D.A. dropped the charges." the lawyer informed the driller. "He said since you used the vehicle as a way to get back and forth to work, transporting the hands, it could be classified as a 'public conveyance' and that the roaches/pot could have belonged to anyone."   I suspect the lawyer got a new rudder for his sailboat and the D.A. got that hot tub he and the missus were wanting. (or whatever, just an example, but you get the drift)

Nikkicute's avatarNikkicute

Full throttle HoodRat!!

Everybody knows what happens when HoodRats get a lot of money,

these hoodrats treat their winnings like loans rather than an investment.

All that money & STILL subjecting her kids to ratchetness, as unfit as it gets smh...No Nod

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by rcbbuckeye on Aug 15, 2015

He was selling BEFORE she won.

Yep, he had been in jail for several months before she won.  I had a Notepad document with the timeline of all the events, but guess I deleted it.  I remember she announced she was the winner just a short while after the drawing and a bondsman bailed him out within a day or two after she claimed.  I don't know for sure, but I bet she knew exactly what her first major purchase was going to be:  his freedom.   People in here are saying it's her money, she can do w/ it as she likes and that's true, but I think she should have bought plane tickets for her and her kids and found a new home far, far way from her live-in human stain.

KyMystikal's avatarKyMystikal

I read the headline to the story and was reading the posts and am a little confused. Did she win 88 million or 188 million?

KyMystikal's avatarKyMystikal

Quote: Originally posted by KyMystikal on Aug 15, 2015

I read the headline to the story and was reading the posts and am a little confused. Did she win 88 million or 188 million?

Oh now I know, I read the story. 88 Mil in a lump sum

MeAndMyArrow

Quote: Originally posted by mikeintexas on Aug 15, 2015

It wasn't my intent to "set you straight";  I was just going by what I had read...and you know what they say about believing everything you read.   She's spent that $1.8 million* already and won't get that back.

*What I don't know is if the original bond was "rolled over" into the new one.  Whether that's the case or not, I'm thinking that the bail agency probably didn't have to pay out the original 3 million dollar bond but of course kept the fee.  I don't know if breaking the terms of his bond was enough for them to have to forfeit the full amount of the first bond.   I also don't know if it was the same agency that put up both bonds.  If he flees, I'm sure the agency will be out the six million dollars in cash or property they put up for the 2nd bond, less the $1.2 million fee.** (I know a bondsman here in town and he often puts up properties he owns instead of cash.)

**Also, N.C. law says "up to" 20%, so they might have not charged that much but I doubt they gave a discount...would you?  I wouldn't.

I think most of those "ankle bracelets" have a tampering mechanism built into them;  if they're cut off, an alarm sounds at the monitoring station.  I dunno.  I expect he has to make regularly scheduled visits to the sheriff's office so they can inspect it and he has to get permission whenever he needs to go outside the range of the base station at the house.  (to go to church, his charity work at the Salvation Army, to volunteer at the soup kitchen, things like that. -snicker-)

I don't think Ms. Holmes would suffer any recrimination or financial burden if her b/f skipped town. (unless she was found guilty of helping him flee) The bail agency is the one exposed to all the risk, that's why they charge so much for a bond.

Earlier in the thread JJ was talking about the bail bondsmen and govt. being "greedy crooks".  While I wouldn't agree with that as a blanket statement, I was reminded of something that happened when I worked on drilling rigs.

I was off work, injured and went into the hospital for surgery.  In the meantime, the guys I worked with were heading to work one morning and were stopped for going a little too fast in a residential section.   The officer smelled pot (they were smoking) and searched the vehicle.  One of the guys was on probation and had some weed, but his little brother (my replacement) took it so his brother wouldn't have to go to jail.  The cop found some roaches (what's left of a joint, for anyone who doesn't know) in the ashtray, so they charged the driller/owner of the vehicle with possession as well.

The little brother plead guilty to possession and got a fairly hefty fine, but the driller talked to a lawyer and was told he thought he could get the charges dropped...for eight hundred bucks.  The driller thought that wasn't a bad deal, less than the little brother had to pay,  so he forked over the money.  The lawyer took it, counted out half of it and stuck it in his pocket and told him "Be right back."  He watched as the lawyer walked to the courthouse right across the street and in ten minutes he came back.  "The D.A. dropped the charges." the lawyer informed the driller. "He said since you used the vehicle as a way to get back and forth to work, transporting the hands, it could be classified as a 'public conveyance' and that the roaches/pot could have belonged to anyone."   I suspect the lawyer got a new rudder for his sailboat and the D.A. got that hot tub he and the missus were wanting. (or whatever, just an example, but you get the drift)

Understood about your intent, but I still thank you. I personally have a "zero tolerance" policy toward those who stubbornly refuse to change their positions in the face of clear and contradictory evidence ... and I try to not be a hypocrite about that myself.

Back on topic, I was going down the road of "Wow, Marie Holmes must really trust this guy to put up his whole bail herself, but if she's sure he won't stiff her by taking off, that's one way to save the (maximum) 20% bail bond fee." Assuming the 20%/$9Mil figures are correct, though, it appears that she loves him to the tune of $1.8 Million, but doesn't trust him to the tune of $9 Million. I suppose that qualifies as showing at least a little wisdom on her part.

About the corruption thing: it would not surprise me if some dirty cops received some dirty consideration in some dirty districts from some dirty bondsmen for making dirty arrests under dubious circumstances. For example, it's a close call whether or not someone is committing some minor, but not publicly dangerous transgression of the law, but the subject in question looks like he or she can afford to pay the bond fee, so ...

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by Nikkicute on Aug 15, 2015

Full throttle HoodRat!!

Everybody knows what happens when HoodRats get a lot of money,

these hoodrats treat their winnings like loans rather than an investment.

All that money & STILL subjecting her kids to ratchetness, as unfit as it gets smh...No Nod

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3196697/Single-mother-188million-Powerball-winner-vowed-spend-money-kids-spends-9million-bail-drug-trafficking-fiance-jail-TWICE.html

She is proving you to be right again. I wonder what happened to those two guys in dark suits, who were supposed to be her financial advisors?.

LottoMetro's avatarLottoMetro

"I wonder what happened to those two guys in dark suits, who were supposed to be her financial advisors?"

They probably dropped her when they realized she would likely sue them for bad advice (regardless if given or not) once she spends all her money

Green laugh

mypiemaster's avatarmypiemaster

Quote: Originally posted by LottoMetro on Aug 15, 2015

"I wonder what happened to those two guys in dark suits, who were supposed to be her financial advisors?"

They probably dropped her when they realized she would likely sue them for bad advice (regardless if given or not) once she spends all her money

Green laugh

Remember, she still owes UNCLE SAM, approx. 14% of that $88M in april 2016. This is getting interesting.

KY Floyd's avatarKY Floyd

Quote: Originally posted by ochoop17 on Aug 15, 2015

Waiting for chapter 2 !!

There may be a good chance we're waiting for chapter 7.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Aug 16, 2015

There may be a good chance we're waiting for chapter 7.

and the wheels on the bus go round and round

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by ThatScaryChick on Aug 15, 2015

This is so sad and depressing. Marie has so much money that she could get her and all her children out of this lifestyle and move. She has the chance to give her children a nice, safe life but nope she continues to hang out with shady people who are obviously leaching off of her. I feel sorry for those kids. I hope she at least put some money away for them for their future but I doubt that. Unhappy

Well said Thatscarychick, I hope she puts her kids first.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

I think many here are being a bit hard on her.  It's her money and rather she looses it or not

is really none of our business.  She needs help and condemning her won't fix anything.  She

might be a very nice person and money may not be her everything. 

RL

Rman313's avatarRman313

No Nod

Please dump the leaches and GET OUT OF N.C.!!! OMG!!!

Drenick1's avatarDrenick1

Quote: Originally posted by mypiemaster on Aug 15, 2015

Remember, she still owes UNCLE SAM, approx. 14% of that $88M in april 2016. This is getting interesting.

The $88 million she received was actually the initial after tax amount. The cash value was $127 million so she has an even larger burden when tax time arrives in April.

loonasee2's avatarloonasee2

Now thats a special kinda stupid .

nelljoepark

I love ? it

keep spending you won and its your money

from nelljopark

 

that's the good thing about American

do what you like spent what like

that's american

delS

Quote: Originally posted by Candy-Lane on Aug 15, 2015

delS you wrote: " I have had a written 40 page plan for 10 years, just waiting for my turn."

I read this earlier today. Anyway, I was driving down the highway a little while ago and this popped into my head.

I am intrigued delS. Would you mind sharing on this post some of what is in your 40 page plan? I have what I thought was a well thought out plan should I win the lottery jackpot.  However, I think I would struggle to fill one typed page! LOL!

You must be a very detail oriented person?

No problem Candy Lane.  I have things like:

3 names, addresses of attorneys

3 names and addresses of accountants

6 wealth management firms in my area, with Senior level people their email addresses, etc.

Plans with strategies, activities

I have a plan for my children with trust details

I have a plan for extended family and friends

I have a plan for my philanthropic activities

I have a plan for 3 businesses

I have a list of homes I will purchase, I update frequently. 

The money I give to most charities and family members will be done anonymously. 

Thats most of the areas.  And, Im not a detailed person.  But I would never want to squander such a blessing on frivolous over the top items. I want to make a difference, live well, and take care of family.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC

This topic seems a bit anti-lotto and could become a poster child for reasons to close down lotteries.  Maybe someday

all lottery winners will get a new brain along with the winnings.  Just being sarcastic.

RL

Candy-Lane's avatarCandy-Lane

Thanks DelS!  You sound like you really got it together! : )

basil19

Marie i wish you well, but if i were you i would at least not marry this guy. The drama will get worse if she marry him. She only paid a small  portion of the nine million.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by basil19 on Aug 16, 2015

Marie i wish you well, but if i were you i would at least not marry this guy. The drama will get worse if she marry him. She only paid a small  portion of the nine million.

"She only paid a small portion of the nine million."  Well, that's like saying "I only had a small portion of the buffet.", but when you eat 20% of the entire buffet, the percentage is relative. $1.8 might "only" be 20% of the nine million, but it's still a large sum. (to quote RCB, it would be "life changing" for most of us in here)  It bothers me thinking of what she could have done with it - funded her church's expenses for 25 yrs, sent one of her children to Harvard or Yale (or all of them to just about any good state college), bought a nice home...any number of things that were much better investments than bailing her P.O.S. b/f out of jail.  (and yes, her b/f is a P.O.S.  If anyone defends him or what he's done, they're a P.O.S. themselves)

I don't think there are many in here that are arguing Ms. Holmes can't spend the money how she likes, but it's like buying a $25 cigar; some people will criticize the purchase, some saying it's a filthy habit and others will say that's a lot to spend on something that won't last much longer than 30 minutes while others will say they could have bought three good cigars for that amount.  I liken what Ms. Holmes has done to lighting that 25 dollar cigar with a hundred dollar bill...she got pleasure out of the cigar, but that hundred bucks is gone forever and for absolutely nothing.

Lottery Dreamer

Wow so true Amen??????

jjtheprince

Well all she has to do when she blows this jackpot is just win another and another lol.  A winner can't lose ever, it's not possible.

hearsetrax's avatarhearsetrax

Quote: Originally posted by jjtheprince on Aug 17, 2015

Well all she has to do when she blows this jackpot is just win another and another lol.  A winner can't lose ever, it's not possible.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Mike...Interesting posting on the bail...my question out of this $9 Million @ 10-20%( $900K-1.8 Mil), after he violated the  first posting($3 Million @ 10-20%=$300-600K), does the person who posted the first amount lose it completely ?

savagegoose's avatarsavagegoose

her cheapest and easiest plan would have been to not post bail and move on. its not like he was coming up with $3 mill. himself, or anyone else would be posting it.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by CDanaT on Aug 17, 2015

Mike...Interesting posting on the bail...my question out of this $9 Million @ 10-20%( $900K-1.8 Mil), after he violated the  first posting($3 Million @ 10-20%=$300-600K), does the person who posted the first amount lose it completely ?

I don't know, I haven't found anything about that. From what I've read, it certain seems as though the first bond could have been forfeited.

I have a hunch it wasn't, because if it were, would that same bond agency -or another - bail him out of jail the second time on the chance of losing 6 million bucks?  I doubt it.  (then again, with the chance to make 1.2 million plus he's being made to wear a GPS tracker, they might think it's worth risking)  I've read a lot of comments by people claiming to know the original bond was forfeited, but they're just like posts in here, nothing but conjecture (including my own)...and I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of what I've read from news outlets (like this very article from the NY Daily News) which are insinuating Ms. Holmes "spent $9M bailing out convict fiancé" when local news say a bondsman was used.

rundown99's avatarrundown99

Quote: Originally posted by Drenick1 on Aug 16, 2015

The $88 million she received was actually the initial after tax amount. The cash value was $127 million so she has an even larger burden when tax time arrives in April.

For lottery jackpot wins, does the winner pay the federal and state taxes up front?  Does the lottery simply give them the after tax payout and give the federal government their tax payment and the state government their tax amount?  I remember when Richard Hatch won the first season of Survivor in 2000, and he kept the $1 million and went to jail for not paying the federal taxes.

rundown99's avatarrundown99

Stories such as these remind me why lottery winners should only play in states where they can remain anonymous.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by rundown99 on Aug 17, 2015

For lottery jackpot wins, does the winner pay the federal and state taxes up front?  Does the lottery simply give them the after tax payout and give the federal government their tax payment and the state government their tax amount?  I remember when Richard Hatch won the first season of Survivor in 2000, and he kept the $1 million and went to jail for not paying the federal taxes.

From the Tax Foundation.org March '12 article in reference to the MM JP being a record 540 million :   Lottery Tax Rates Vary Greatly By State

While lottery winnings of $600 or less are not reported to the IRS, winnings in excess of $5,000 are subject to a 25 percent federal withholding tax. In other words, if one person wins the jackpot and chooses the $389 million lump sum payment, $97 million will go straight to the IRS. Next April, the jackpot winner or winners can see if any of that amount gets refunded, or if they owe even more.

There are also state taxes, if applicable, but you'd have to check w/ your state agency to find out their policy.

mikeintexas's avatarmikeintexas

Quote: Originally posted by rundown99 on Aug 17, 2015

Stories such as these remind me why lottery winners should only play in states where they can remain anonymous.

N. Carolina isn't one of those with anonymous claiming, but Ms. Holmes chose to give a news conference and television and newspaper interviews when she didn't have to do so.

Anonymity isn't the panacea a lot of people think it is, since a lottery winner is more likely to be killed by a family member or friend than a total stranger.

Erzulieredeyes's avatarErzulieredeyes

It's funny that the person posted she won all this money and still lives in a trailer. It's funny because it's untrue and they showed her house on television and if you do simple research you will see she paid barely $400,000 for the house. It's a brand new, but very humble, average looking house. She did not splurge on fancy mansions like most of us would.

I agree that this was a dumb move to bail someone out $9M, but if it were one of your loved ones and you had the money I'm sure some of you would too.  I know people who put up their homes and retirement money to bail out their spouse, children, parents and friends all the time. It's her money and she can do what she pleases, plus she'll get most of the money back when he goes back to court. 

Boyfriend is pretty dumb to still be dealing drugs when they have more than enough money to never have to ' hustle'  again. Hopefully this is a wake up call for her and she dumps him and get her life together before the government takes all her money.

I wish her the best and hope that she ask GOD for guidance with her new windfall. I'm not going to judge her situation, but I know after the first bail, they'd be on their own for getting out next time regardless of the cost.

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