In Case of R.N.G.

Press, HARD.

RNG? Seriously?. More like one step forward, 1000 steps backwards. Oh, I almost forgot, this is Illinois politics we are talking about. Shame!!!.

Gee, what're the odds.

ALERT Illinois: You're about to be Computerized.

Illinois lottery players are about to be hosed, for real.

Great reason to just stop playing.  They have finally put the nail in the coffin.  Leave it to these states that have went to computer to mess up a great lottery..  that is typical of politics and government getting involved long enough to screw things up...  Good bye lottery.........

Essentially they turned every Lottery Retailer into a Toll Booth... WAY TO GO!!!

Lottery officials call the move "exciting"

Ever notice how these "officials" are "excited" by things that don't effect them on a retail level ?

I wonder how "excited" they'll be when they realize that many people that live near the border

are buying in other states !

Some already are B/C of the non-payment on prizes over $25G

R.I.P.

You hit the nail on the head.  As a disgusted Illinois player well before I caught wind of this today you can be assured that I'm finished playing the Illinois Lottery.  If there's not balls bouncing around they there's nothing "random" about it in my book.    I'm honestly done and I already dropped my play about 60% over the last year anyhow when they started screwing around with the frequency, matrix's and payouts of Lucky Day.   Illinois Lottery is no more than an open till for politicians.   I can't believe they are stupid enough to shoot the golden goose, I'm mean that's straight insanity but good for them as I've hated them for years and even more now after sending Northstar packing but not changing back all the nonsense game changes.   Goodnight Illinois Lottery and thanks for the extra money that will be lining my pockets starting day one when you stop pulling balls.

Another SAD DAY for us players....Those computers pick the less picked number to ensure the House wins and keeps high picked one out. Those are facts. Every state which uses it have doubled or even tripled their earnings and given high bonuses to the company which run them. Hate it!

Sounds like typical american politics to me.

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

Don't these outfits ever learn? They keep circling the bowl until the suction takes them down.The sad part is that the hard earned money of the players goes down with their ridiculous ideas.Why did they not put this " exciting " idea to a vote by the playing public or better yet-"Read LP'S succinct thought on the matter? This is called ramming an idea down the throats of the players and telling them  "  Don't worry,like most medications it only tastes bad at first, but you'll get used to it."

Hey, Spartan, I'm in Georgia, and I can't prove it, but I have always suspected that the computer picked the least played numbers....our All or Nothing game is computerized by the way, and has been around for about 1 1/2 years and no one hardly wins....kinda suspicious to me.

Anyway, do you know where I can go to get facts or information on this. 

Thanks

Might start giving Indiana and Wisconsin a shot.

wisCONsin, Pffff... CGN (Computer Generated Nonsense) a.k.a. RNG (Ridiculous Numbers Generator).

We know, when we lived there, we remember the CGN test game Badger 5 when they were going to RNG.

My take is for players who select diverse numbers (ie. 524, 100, 034, 7140, 2192, 9155, etc) on traditional numbers games (ie. Pick 3, Pick 4, etc) with no rolling jackpot, there will likely be little real change. While a RND is potentially less random than balls, the number distribution over long periods of time will near certain be similar - lotteries test for this, and so do many players; that's how various RND configuration problems have been discovered.

In my view, the most likely abuses of computer RND are:

• Suppressing highly popular numbers (ie. 777, 123, etc) at times to prevent excessive payouts.
• Suppressing numbers with extremely high wagers (ie. 1,000 tickets played straight on 7140).
• Choosing a particular combination played heavily by insider(s) (ie. Hot Lotto comes to mind).
• Forcing jackpot rollovers by excluding any number combination that matches any sold ticket exactly.

On the flip-side, use of computer RND come with potential risks for the lotteries too:

• Selecting same numbers multiple times in close succession (ie. 2325 Monday, then two days later, then again the following week, etc).
• Relating to the above, bursts of draws with patterns, some of which may be highly played numbers, such as triples, quads, etc.
• Difficult to verify whether a draw is legitimate or not, since much of the operation of an RND can't be physically viewed nor scrutinized in the way physical balls and air machines can. While this can work against players, it can work the other way too.

Another abuse is redoing the draw / suppressing the results afterwards. However, this type of abuse can be done with regular balls too. How many lotteries perform truly live drawings all the time in front of an audience... Some are good about it, though not 100% consistent. Among the worse offenders, in my view, are the big jackpot (Powerball / Mega Millions) drawings. No studio audience, and often are delayed due to a "technical problem" - maybe it was, or maybe the lottery didn't like the results, and figured on a redo. It's another reason I rarely play MM / PB - I don't fully trust their process despite them using physical balls (except for the multiplier part).

Ultimately, it comes down to trust regardless of the draw method. Computer RND adds another way to abuse it, and is extremely difficult to scrutinize. Use of computer RND, even if implemented correctly and functioning properly, still reduces the faith many have in the draw process being fair.

MPM:       >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but,........ WHAT CAN WE DO?  A A BITCH

Maby, we can ask Lottery Post News to try and get information as to what type of RNG software they will

use and the suppliers name and company? It may take a year or two 2 get this data or they could provide

it upon a simple request to the Illinois Lottery Commissioners Office.  Did the Illinois Lottery give a reason

for this BIG CHANGE?   Do they need more wine, more women, more money or more paid corruption?????

Don't bother with Indiana we already use the R.N.G. drawings.

Indiana actually switched to real ball drawings for Daily 3 and Daily 4!

Illinois Senate consists of the following;
39 DEMOCRATS  ---- 19 REPUBLICANS 

Illinois House consists of the following;
70 DEMOCRATS ----- 47 Republicans

Wonder who could be the majority part of the problem with recent lottery concerns and changes ? 

 

Yuck

Well, it just keeps getting better and better in Illinois.

First they don't pay, now they screw people with RNG draws.

I feel for you folks up there, and for you Coin Toss.

Haha I love how the title of this article is in all caps

You have a point as far as the risk for the lotteries.  Do you remember for the PA Lottery day draws (which of course has always used a RNG) when 4444 was selected on October 25, 2004 and then the very next day on October 26, 2004 5555 was selected.

Can you imagine if we had RNG's back in the day when Nick Perry was involved with the lottery?

Read this.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/294241/4289044

Those of us south of 183rd St in Chicago (actually I think it's south of Decatur) haven't seen a Chicago newscast, which included the lottery drawings, a Cubs or a White Sox game since WGN's new ownership decided not to be a super station anymore.

With the RNG drawings added to the non payments to winners of $25K or more it's like the Illinois lottery is trying to self-destruct.

So for Illinois the only ball drawings will b PB and MM but if you win between $25,000 and 5 + 0 you won't get paid......there's a Catch Yossarian!

Does it really make a difference to players who buy QPs and let a computer choose their numbers?

Yes, because if the drawing is rigged (as happened in Hot Lotto), then your Quick Picks don't even stand a chance of winning.

It matters.

Here's some additional reading on this subject that should be interesting.  Compare these two different articles:

• Computerized lottery drawings not problem-free
• Texas Lottery drawings inspire confidence

Whoa, Check your shoes Stack- looks like you stepped in it...

Once the computer skans your ticket, it knows what you are playing &  how many people are playing that same number. and that number will not drop out, if it did they would go broke. Now what's randon about that.  Js.

Hope that Illinois lottery loses all kinds of money with this snubbing of their players.  RNG are also used in slot machines, I know it and still like them slot machines.  I will not, however, play any RNG lottery.  I believe that Five Card Cash here in KY is RNG but not sure.  Everything else is done with the good old bouncing balls.

How soon people forget.

From 9-16-2010

CHICAGO: Illinois' governor has awarded a lucrative, first-of-its-kind contract to manage the Illinois Lottery to a private company with strong ties to the lotto.

The move on Wednesday hands over daily control to of the $2 billion games for 10 years to some of the most powerful players in the business.

Illinois will be the first state to entirely privatize the management and marketing of its lottery, a move mandated by legislators as a way to help boost revenue and attract new players. The state will retain ownership and regulatory oversight.

Gov. Pat Quinn says that hiring a private manager to run the lottery is a creative way to increase revenue.

Northstar beat out one other finalist, Camelot Group, which runs the United Kingdom Lottery.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/quinn-privatizes-illinois_n_719330.html

Gee, guess what party Quinn belongs to.

Need I say any more?  All you have to do is go to the Capital in Springfield, IL.  I am sure it is a big misunderstanding in Springfield.  When they were passing out Brains when the legislators were born, they thought they said "Trains", and they all asked for SLOW ones.   The people in IL already don't trust the government, and now, they go are going to a RNG.  Look up the word Trustworthy. You are heading & have been headed in the wrong direction.  You're just adding another LOG onto the FIRE..................

I still wear my tee shirt - " I am from ILLINOIS, where our Governors make our License Plates! "

Saying I heard was when God if they wanted Brains they said 'No thanks, I already have a set of trains'.

They are really going to lose credibility with these computerized drawings.

As if they really had any since they are not paying out on prized over $25K.

The Lottery Post Petition Against Computerized Drawing?

As usual there will always be one or two that like to deflect when a question is asked. Assumption is the mother of all screw-ups. Trickle down economy is constantly failure. Tying the lottery to the budget(being agreed upon) is completely gormless.
The bottom line is that state's elected leaders are the problem. Stemming from past to current decisions. No body said the Democrats were the cause of the problem or the Republicans were the answer. The question was asked who is the responsible group for the problem.

And here you go again..deflecting the issue from the state with the problem to another state..New Jersey was not mentioned,please stay on topic.

Maybe it's coincidence, but timing this news with the current situation of not paying out prizes makes IL look like a bunch of clowns...

I wish they would just close all the Lottery ,across the USA,Shut the crooks down for good.Then they would act right.Most of the states are crooked anyway and they get by with it.Tennessee is the biggest one.Proven fact.Players that support it dont win nothing.The RNG sees what you play and fix it accordingly...we are not stuipid.

I don't think we need to go as far as shutting down all, just need folks to vote with their wallet

RNG = do not play.

Problem is... some occasional players don't even know about it.

Some may not think about it each time.

I plead guilty to the last item, earlier this year I bought some HOTLOTTO on a trip to Delaware,

didn't know it was an RNG game cause we don't have it in Jersey.

Later looked at LP's lotto report card and will not repeat that mistake.

Based on some of the comments, lots of members believe a QP is more likely to win a jackpot than a self pick regardless of the fact about 4 times as many QPs are sold. But nobody questions the RNG that creates QPs.

True enough, RNG used for QP; however the point is that not having lotto balls and using RNG you are really @ their mercy.  Like others have posted, the computer knows what combinations have been sold and lotto balls do not.  The day MM and PB go to RNG will be the last day I play them.

It doesn't matter what RNG creates Quick Picks.  No matter what numbers you have — no matter how they were created, and by what RNG, they should always have the same probability of winning as any other set of numbers.  So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point.

The problem is that, as we saw in the Hot Lotto case, it is possible to rig a computerized drawing and hide the fact you did it.

The prosecutors in the case — despite the fact that they won the case — still never were able to SHOW the program the security guy used to hack the drawing.  If the guy was a better thief he would have gotten away with it.

What I wrote way back in 2004 was proved to be true: if you have computerized drawings, your lottery has the possibility of being rigged.  I never said it happens all the time or that it is common, but I said (and I was right) that IT CAN HAPPEN.  Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?

To me, my thought process as to why they plan on doing this is GREED.  When you take the Public opinion and throw it out the window

just to lower your cost verses the public  trust, you put your hands in the cookie jar once to often so to speak and could care less what

John Q. Public thinks. I think it's time for replacement of the commission officers. And, if they can't be replaced it's time to replace the

one who put them there...

I play both Missouri and Illinois.

Wow, both are computerized now.

The Tennessee Lottery didn't have any repeat digits in their pick-3 and pick-4 games for weeks and they are still using the same RNG. The Iowa Lottery proved in court somebody rigged the Hot Lotto drawing, but they still use the same RNG. The point should be "why are people still playing those games?".

"the computer knows what combinations have been sold and lotto balls do not."

An RNG could be programmed and connected to the terminals, but even the Iowa and TN Lotteries will say they are not. IMO, just the fact they can be should be enough reason to have live ball drawings. The KY Lottery uses Livestream to show their daily drawings and that can't cost much more than the cartoon RNG drawings.

Good Evening

I contact Illinois Lottery and spoke with a rep there, express my unhappiness will the change, she told me, They will go back to the Ping Pong Ball if they lose million of dollars or received a petition of 100,000 signatures and over 50 to 200 calls a day. I told the rep, I will tell everyone to get a petition going and to call the Illinois Lottery office everyday.

How can lottery games drawn using mechanical drawing machines have a 100% true lottery drawing, despite the fact that they do a pre-test drawing, thereof eliminating possible winning combinations from the post-test drawing?

The state knows that people won't stop playing , that is a sad fact...  If everyone would stop playing they would have no choice but to give in and do it correctly...  WE the PEOPLE are FOOLS

RGN used in slots are different because casinos are required to pay back a certain percentage. Also the matrix is much smaller.

"So putting discussion of the Quick Picks RNG in the same discussion as the drawing RNG is a red herring — it is a side-show that distracts from the point. "

I thought the discussion was about the possibility of rigging an RNG in general with the intent of getting a desired outcome or preventing multiple winners that could cost a state lottery millions. There was no other tickets, QPs or self picks matching the jackpot winning numbers the drawing the prosecution convinced a jury Tipton rigged. 

"Who on Earth would want to play a lottery that could be rigged?"

The people who are still playing Hot Lotto?.

RNG or no RNG, there will always be people who swear up and down the lottery is rigged yet, amusingly, they still keep playing. Same with casinos, stock market, tax schemes, welfare programs, and life in general. You really can't win because people will always come up with reasons to whine about things purposefully designed to extract money from their pockets.

I know I will NOT win so no I dont run down to the local market to play,The rest of Tn players can throw it away if they want to.

this is an outrage. totaly bs.

i guess i won't be playing the pick 3 &4 anymore.

How could you think that a pre-test has anything to do with it being a real drawing?

      ^^^THIS^^^

This answers your question, Stack47.  It has nothing to do with "nobody" playing a game that could be rigged.  It has to do with the lotteries being extremely short-sighted:  They are saving a few dollars by switching to computerized drawings, but they are losing revenue because many people either won't play or won't play as much.

The lottery loses the confidence of its players when they make the dumb decision to drop real drawings.

There are many ways to cut back on the expense of a live drawing, rather than just eliminating it.  Texas is a wonderful model for other states to follow.

The Illinois lottery officials being excited about their lottery switching to computerized drawing from live drawing was badly timed. With the recent failure to get their winners paid. Now, they have player's filing law suits against them. What made them think , the player are really going to be exited about a rng number being pull by a computerized drawing. No one actually see this, you want them to just blindly take your word for it. No, you are about to loss money. The players will play a lot less tickets. So far your word hasn't been that great. You got paid, when your winning players couldn't be paid. The Illinois lottery is on very shaky ground right now.

The lottery would still have plenty of customers playing their games. How can you compete with a $70 Billion dollars per year industry? I wouldn't call the lottery an stupid tax on the poor though. It is entertainment and we do not have to be smart play it.

I thought that pre-test drawings affected the integrity of lottery games. Lottery players feel that they aren't necessary.

Integrity is not the same thing as necessity.

It's the state legislators putting the pressure on the Lotteries to take cost cutting measures. You posted lots of news stories about a state lottery not making enough profit satisfy whatever the legislators decide the lottery profits should go. Bet many of these states already went to RNG drawings.

The Illinois Lottery is getting blamed because state law prevents the Controller from issuing checks over $25,000 and now after being told to cut costs, the players again will blame the lottery people. The Texas Lottery is well run because the Legislators let the Director do his job.

Changing the drawings over was a long-term process, not something that was borne out of, or affected by, the current budget issues that are preventing big payouts.  It was not related to or prompted by the firing of Northstar either. 

Undoubtedly it was initiated by the lottery (probably by Northstar) as a knee-jerk reaction to their past problems with turning a profit.  So sad that they stupidly yanked real drawings, which will hurt the long-term position of the lottery, in an attempt to shave a few dollars in the short term.  I feel really bad for Illinois lottery players.

I knew it was coming. pick three and four are now dead for me here in IL.  just check out some of the payouts in these states that use"RNG" only one pick four winner for the week. been playing my same number for 6.5 years now it's over.

Don't give up on your numbers. 

Oh this is sad.

Maybe they want people to think it's still ping pong balls.

Watch the drawings

Yep, all psychological too, and they can deny the intention to mislead about RNGs

But I don see a computer in those rolling cages.

just pay the people or ban  the lottery in this state this state seems to be taking money

Our Louisiana state lotteries are computer generated, and I've about given up on trying to strategize on these lotteries, whether using software or my own ideas. A few quick picks might be the way to go.Being CNG, it seems they could easily filter results they want for whatever reason, mainly to increase their income.You hear "play the 5 number game, it has the best odds"-but for CNG the odds are for the state-that's about it. This state continually has an income increase every year from lottery-no surprise there.That leaves us with the Powerball or Mega Millions and their astronomical odds for ball-drop lottery playing.