Who says Canadians can't participate in US elections?
No, they can't vote in US elections, but Canadians can place bets on who is going to win.
The British Columbia Lottery Corporation has been taking bets on the 2016 U.S. election since early last year. It's become the most popular wager in an online gaming category the lottery calls "novelty betting."
The provincial lottery contracts with a global sportsbook based in Ireland to set the odds. BC Lottery spokesman Doug Cheng said the odds of a Donald Trump victory have improved since even last week, but the odds makers still favor a Hillary Clinton victory.
"Donald's Trump's odds are currently 37/20 — in other words, slightly under 2 to 1 — to become the next president," Cheng said. "To put it in perspective, he has closed the gap significantly as his initial odds in January 2015 were 100 to 1."
A $5 bet placed on the Democratic nominee Clinton on Monday would pay out $7.10 if she wins in November. The same bet placed on Republican nominee Trump would pay out $14.25 if he wins.
For at least a few more days, Cheng said Canadians can make a long-shot bet on Democrat Bernie Sanders at 59 to 1 odds.
If you're feeling lucky, know that the BC Lottery limits its U.S. election wagers to its own provincial residents over the age of 19.
"You can't bet, but you can definitely vote, which we can't do up here," Cheng said in telephone interview. "That's a trade-off I guess."
The BC Lottery is also taking bets on which political party will triumph in several key battleground states including Florida, North Carolina and Ohio.
"We have always paid a lot of attention to American elections because we are such close neighbors," Cheng said from Vancouver. "The media interest was really ramped up on this particular election. I think you see that reflected in the wagers we're taking on this novelty betting category. I think this really shows that people in B.C. are intently watching the U.S. election south of the border."
The provincial lotteries in Nova Scotia and Manitoba are also offering online wagers on the American presidential election.
Besides traditional state lottery games, the BCLC operates casinos and a sportsbook. British Columbians can bet on Seattle Seahawks and Seattle Mariners games as well as whether the Oregon Ducks, Washington Huskies or some other university team will win next season's college football championship. Bettors can also wager on who will win gold medals at the Rio 2016 Olympics among other things.
In the United States, online gambling is illegal as is betting on elections. Betting on the outcome of sports contests is legal in Nevada. Political betting has been offered in Britain for decades.
BC Lottery profits fund government services and grants to non-profits, much like state lotteries in the United States.
OH BOY!!! This thread will be very "interesting". Politics anyone?.
They know the fix is in ?!
Put your money on Trump. KingofTax will appear in 3...2...1...
Great article, great idea, have one place to dump the political crap and keep the other threads clean.
Maybe will play their lottery numbers on Powerball...
Went to my class reunion a couple weeks ago, many of the people there I have not seen since the 70's.
The hot topic was not politics, but how the world has changed , and how our kids are growing up .
My son was 2 when Islamic Terrorists flew planes into the world trade center, this is his world to adapt to .
He will never know what was like going to an airport, concert or Hockey game without being searched and scrutinized.
He is living with technology we never dreamed was possible.
Back in our day, the big argument was who's cuter, David Gilmour or Roger Taylor, now everything is an argument.
This Country has gone insane with political correctness, if you disagree, you get a label and depending on the topic, you could be Racist, bigot, hater, homophobe etc.
In our day we watched Little house on the Prairie, the Waltons or a family themed comedy/music show.
Now the TV is filled with reality shows, people in constant conflict, or people living lives that are not even close to real.
Survival shows top the lists.
I guess it doesn't matter who is elected, I was taught to survive long before these shows popped up.
I not only know how to grow food, I hunt, fish and can find food in the forest.
For my son's sake, for the world he has to grow up in, I want a leader who is willing to say and do the things we need, to keep us just a little safer.
Some things you can't control, but we need a leader who can make it harder for those who mean to harm us.
Trump has my vote.
Bingo sully! Things have changed a lot in the last 20 or so years and not all for the better. Both parties are at fault, that's why I'm voting for the "outsider". Now....Lets hit that powerball!
I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I follow my conscience and vote Independent. I vote how I "feel" based on what options I have to choose from. I voted for the Bush family twice. I supported the Bush War. I also voted for Obama twice. I decided last year in 2015 that I would never vote for Hillary Clinton. I considered Donald Trump, until he started running a Hate campaign. Thus, I have rejected Trump. I considered Gary Johnson, but I don't agree with some of his political positions, and he seems to hedge on some issues. I think he would change his mind back and forth like Trump does. I considered Bernie Sanders, but he always comes across like an Angry, Old, "***" Man. Talk about temperament. By process of elimination and default, that leaves Jill Stein of the Green Party. Thus, I will vote for Jill Stein for President in November 2016. I know she won't win, but I will continue to follow my conscience and vote Independent of the norm, when I feel that it is necessary.
If I lived in Canada and were betting on the next US President through the British Columbia Lottery Corporation, I would wager on Donald Trump to win, however, I would vote for Jill Stein for President.
I remember those days and cherish them. I wish my children could of experience how it was back than. It's so sad what is happening in our country.
Australia has very strong gun control laws: 0 mass shootings each year.
The US has no gun control laws: hundreds of mass shootings each year.
Pretty clear what the President and congress would need to do.
With your second paragraph
No doubt- after Todd cleaned house of politics than invaded a thread a little while ago, this should please those who are into politics big time.
They still have violent crimes despite the gun buy back program, murder is murder, you don't need a gun.
Move there, If you don't like it here then leave.
Since your Mister History, tell all the good folks why Japan never invaded us after they bombed Pearl Harbor.
The Emperor wanted a ground invasion until he was told everyone here has a gun.
You are so willing to give up your rights...You are willing to become a subject instead of a citizen.
You want other peoples rights to be taken away, you can't see they are also yours.
You are not a survivor.
The US has hundreds of mass shootings each year? Please go ahead and choose one year and run down the "hundreds" of mass shootings that occurred.
And to say that Australia has no mass shootings is wrong, sorry to burst your bubble.
Besides, if there're no guns available, murderers and terrorists just find another way to kill people. The 84 killed in France by the truck driver terrorist is just one example.
The only thing a gun ban does is take guns out of the common law-abiding citizens' hands. Makes people easy pickings for murderers and terrorists.
You think i play the lottery to win $4? The whole point of me playing the lottery is to get enough money to abandon the United States (although Portland is my fav place in the US) and move to one of five countries (Australia, New Zealand, Canada,Britain or Israel).
The whole point of Pearl Harbor was to delay the US buildup as they bogged down in China and couldn't spare much men to fight the US. You love to spew whatever nonsense you read on " Totally Legitimate Lizard People Network".
Sully I'm surprised that you have weighed in this on this thread. I think you should have kept that to yourself. And now that you have weighed in it shows what your political affiliation is and it also will show that you and your party and people like you don't understand the everyday Americans who gets looked down upon by the millionaires and billionaries and it will not fly with the American people.
From the start of 2016 to today there have been 207 mass shootings
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
No mass shootings in Australia in 20 years
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091
gun bans are stupid, we need real gun control
one gun shop per congressional district, you must use the one in your district
You must show verified proof of identity, including your birth certificate, passport, and licence
Ban all non-citizens, those with any criminal record, and those under 21 from buying a gun
100% tax on all firearms and bullets
Mandatory 60 day waiting period for each gun purchased.
Mandatory 3 visits to atleast 2 psychiatrists who will verify you are mentally capable of owning a gun at your own expense
No more than 20 rounds can be purchased by an individual
If bringing a weapon outside your district, you must notify the law enforcement in the area you are going to.
Terrorism kills almost no one in comparison to "regular" criminals and mass shooters. The more difficult you make buying it, the less likely they'll be able to get one.
I know it'll never happen but this would end gun violence as we know it.
I admire what I perceive as your stated desire to vote your conscience after discernment. Presumably, part of your decision making process includes informing yourself in an unbiased manner- after all isn't that the great banner of the "independent" voter, that they are the only group able to cut through the Republican and Democrat party claptrap to make an intelligent voting choice. What baffles me is that you label Trump as running a "Hate campaign"; talk about falling into the trap of the crap that the media and Democrat party always place upon the Republican nominee, no matter who it is and which election cycle it is. Seems to me that a critique of Trump may rightfully lead one to conclude that he is not a tried and true Republican and/or that his positions on many issues seem to have evolved/changed over time, but hateful? Everyone recognizes that America has millions of foreign born persons living here without legal status; Trump is a hater because he has stated his desire to stop this illegal action for future persons that would disregard American immigration laws and to also punish in some manner those that are already here illegally? If you are a country without enforceable borders and enforceable laws, what kind of country are you? Further, his stated position to thoroughly vet refugees to insure to the best of our ability that we are not allowing anyone into the country that would cause us harm is hateful? I wish you success in your quest to make an intelligent voting choice but it is my opinion you have more work to do to arrive at an unbiased choice.
That anti-gun website does not follow the common definition of a mass shooting, and is simply propaganda for anti-gun people. Like you.
Hopefully you don't face a murderer on your front porch while waiting 60 days for your firearm. Because the murderer didn't have to wait when they got their illegal firearm.
All of the various things in your post are stepping stones to a complete ban. Not happening in this country. Deal with it.
Put your money on Hillary. Hillary has the Hispanic, Black and White (except for some of the male white voters) voters. Even corporations are pulling away from trump. There was no one special at the RNC convention, oh wait, Scott Baio (chachi) was there.
I hate politics on LP and this story is really stirring up the hornet's nest.
I have the solution...Anyone who uses a gun in a criminal act and takes a life should receive the death penalty. And it should be carried out within two weeks. That would solve the repeat offender problem. Had a gun in my home for years and it hasn't shot anyone yet. Looks like we have a people problem not a gun problem huh?
Keep smoking that weed bigbear.
As a friend of mine jokingly says " Guns are too loud. I prefer a machete. No 60 days background check waiting period."
Sorry, my smoking days are over.
Haha...So are mine.
Somedays, LiveInGreenBay, I wish it was not over.
Yea, but we're smarter than that now.
every graduating high school student should be given "free of charge" not one but two guns. now that is real gun control.
I actually agree with Trump about the Immigration problem, both as it pertains to the Middle East and the Mexican/American border. However, Trump has sabotaged his own public image, calling his character into question. I also question whether or not some of his new policy ideas can pass through both the Congress and the Senate, or is he going to experience serious "stonewall" like previous Presidents. [We already know the answer to this.] The job of US President is a serious Reality Check for anyone.
As long as he doesn't come up with some STUPID Idea that affects the American State Lotteries, I suppose we will have to suffer through 4 years of President Trump.
One thing that does concern me though, is his idea to cut back on funding to the US Department of Education. A lot of college students depend on Federal Financial Aid to attend College. Not every state is using money from the state lottery to fund student college tuition to the extent that they should or could. In some states like SC, lottery funding only kicks in after certain types of Federal Financial Aid or other State Financial Aid, and lottery money can only be used for certain college expenses, not for any or everything related to college.
The following comes from a local College website [Community College] pertaining to the use of Lottery Money to fund College Tuition Expenses:
"The amount you can use toward tuition and fee charges is based on the amount of these charges remaining on your account after Federal Pell Grant, FSEOG, SCNBG and NGCAP have been applied to your student account. If you receive a LIFE Scholarship or a tuition waiver, you will not receive LTAP. If your tuition and fees are paid by VA, you will not receive the LTAP award. [LTAP = Lottery Tuition Assistance Program]
Bullet points #1 & #2 seem to contradict each other.
In the city where I live at, for some reason [???], only the local Community Colleges are receiving State Lottery Assistance. The local 4 year Colleges are Not.
In any case, if Federal College funding is cut, where does that leave the states and students who cannot otherwise afford a College Education.
I really don't think Donald Trump has given some of his ideas any in depth contemplation. He is only looking at the "larger picture" [Balance the Budget], but we live our lives by "daily snapshots" of the larger picture, and each person's larger picture is DIFFERENT.
Donald Trump could potentially ruin the "larger picture" for students who can't afford a College Education without Federal Financial Aid, b/c state lottery assisted funding for College is suspect in some states.
The sky-is-falling junk commentary about Trump is similar to the he's-dangerous junk commentary that Reagan received during the 1980 campaign vs. Carter. (For those of us old enough to remember that.)
It's ironic that all the people going around saying how "scary" Trump is are the very people doing the fear mongering themselves.
Personally, I'm not fear-mongering, I'm observing.
No, posting that junk commentary tweet was fear mongering. If you were observing you would have read it without re-posting it here. You are participating.
Todd, you are very Doloris Umbridge today. No fun.
At least you didn't call me Voldemort.
Shhhh, we don't say his name
Trump is by far the greatest Teflon candidate for president we have ever seen.Lesser politicians would have been history for saying the following:
We Need a Wall. McCain is no hero.
Say what you will, the guy has a pair.
Don't worry Mr,Trump is going to WIN BIG
Convential wisdom says " if a person tells you not to worry, it's best to prepare yourself to do just that : worry. The Russians told the world " don't worry, we have the Chernobyl Nuclear site under control..
Don't worry - right!
If you really want out that bad
you could take a bus to Canada...don't need a lottery win for that.
Omg. For once I agree with you.
A perfect response. Reagan was unfairly demonized.
We have this woman in my office who does zero work all day and posts vile anti Trump statements on Twitter all day long while telling us how hip and liberal she is. And no, she is not young and everyone hates her since she is the biggest bigot of all. Yet I would never consider posting things about Hillary.
And I know the tide has turned when another ranting neighbor at my bus stop could not even speak when she saw the most recent Trump polls.
LOL Guess you haven't been here long enough to know me, most know I am conservative.
I understand everyday people very well, I know many millionaires , most are self made and have hearts of gold and are very generous. Yes, some people are very snobby, poor people are snotty mean and rude as well. Depends on how you were raised.
You have a biased media pounding the Class wars into your head. You are here because you want to win the lottery and become rich, will it change who you are?
Good rule of thumb, never judge a book by it's bank account and if you really want to soil yourself, go read my blogs.
They couldn't spare much men, The South Pacific was loaded with Japanese soldiers, Pearl Harbor is was got us into the war, we actually helped China and everyone else.
Please, tell me why they attacked us in the first place, can't wait the hear this.
PS, Get a job and save your money, ta da... then you can move.
And then what? Live off welfare like 90% of Southern Republicans?As a leftist i actually believe in paying my own bills and finding a job would be monstrously hard, not even counting any issues related to not being a citizen.
You are not a conservative. Conservatives are Obama, Mccain, Romney, etc. You are an Anarco-Capitalist, VERY DIFFERENT.
You look down on those millionaires as you MUST have been born into extreme wealth in order to be this ignorant and selfish.
I'm not 100% sure on this but I'm fairly confident that EVERY battle between the US and Japan saw the US outnumber the Japanese by ridiculous amounts. I might be wrong on one oe two but it was good old vast numbers that led to the US victories in most places. I already explained why they did it, they did it to cripple the US fleet before the US had a chance to declare war and attack.
The bottom line on why I voted Trump in the primary and will in November.
A vote for ANY other candidate Rep or Dem would be a vote to continue down the same road we have been traveling for years.
Trump is different. He cannot be bought.
Time for someone different. Voting for the same type of politician and expecting different results is insanity.
That being said, I have about as much faith in voting machines not being rigged as some do about lottery drawings....lol
Your post is ridiculous.
Stop reading revisionist history and deal with facts instead of spouting your opinion on things you know so little about.
WW II Major Pacific Battles
If you can't figure it out look at the casualty figures for both sides.
Causalty figures do NOT equal the number of troops in combat. I assumed any 3rd grader would be able to understand that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Angaur 10,000 US vs 1,400 Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bataan 120,000 US vs 70,000 Japanese, and this was early when Japan had some man power
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peleliu 47,000 US vs 11,000 Japanese
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore 85,000 British vs 36,000 Japanese, another early battle.
8 years of the Clinton's was enough all she wants is the Power What's Bill going to be the first Bubba Trump all the way
He can't be bought because no donor is buying. The whole point of picking Pence was and is to get the Kochs to support Trump as Trump can't afford a run on his own ( Most of his wealth is in real estate and other non-cash things that are not easy to liquidate). Jill Stein for President 2016!!!
First things first.
You need to stop getting info on line, you can watch the actual footage of many battles on the history channel.
Obama Conservative, omg No way, not one Conservative bone in his body.
Born into extreme wealth, rotflmao , Don't know many Chippewa's born with a silver spoon.
There is nothing in any of my statements that even comes close to looking down on Millionaires.
So in your mind, anyone who doesn't want to give away their hard earned money is ignorant and selfish.
So basically all you want is an oppressive bloated Government to take away other peoples hard earned money and give it to you. So sorry you cannot stand on your own 2 feet and make it in this world.
I hope you move to Canada, and get eaten by a bear or wolf because you don't believe in guns.
86 % of people on welfare are Democrats.
You believe in paying your own bills, lol You are full of excuses, full of %$#@!
I agree with many of your points, however, as I understand Stein hasn't even published her 12 point (or however many) plan, while Sanders and Clinton did so last November (?) ? That does not inspire confidence.
What are you going to tell us next, Kingofearth? That the defenders of the Alamo greatly outnumbered Santa Ana and his army?
Davy Crockett didn't really exist. We made him up to sell hats and help the fat cats get rich.
The first is correct, the rest of what you said is lizard people garbage.
Someone woke up grumpy.
Which show overwhelming numbers of Americans against vastly oitnumbered Japanese. Unless they're Hollywood movies.
Obama's signature piece of legislation is the far-right Heritage Foundations health care proposal from the 90's called" the affordable care act". Obama came into office an extreme homophobe but thankfully changed his mind. Obama has done nothing on guns but sign bills to REDUCE gun control. He is a center-right moderate conservative. You are an anarchist-capitalist, simple as that. I'd rather a bloated government that makes sure there isn't mass starvation and death over a complete lack of government.
I'm pretty sure she published a plan when she ran in 2012 and she's just using her old plan.
I deal in facts, it is a basic fact that the Mrxicsn army vastly outnumbered the defenders.
Davy Crockett existed, the hat did not at the time. Also him and a few others were captured alive and executed.
That is all non sense, mass starvation, we throw away half the food we grow cause of Government rules and regulations.
When I not wondering aimlessly through my mansion, I work in a food service store, Because of Government over reach, much of the produce is thrown away before it even starts to blemish, we can donate everything but raw meats, fish and poultry, that gets thrown away. That stuff must go into a lockable can so no one can steal it.
Now I have to go organize the household help, lol
That orange buffoon is no different than any other politicians. You seriously think he can, or will be able to deliver on the promises that he said he could. He just spewed a bunch of BS to get the nominee.
Taking a line from the movie" Shawshank Redemption" this colossal Pr*** this morning praised Russian hackers for getting to his opponent's emails. Both parties make promises that they know they cannot keep, but the continues. Prior to joining LP, l was a regular in a political forum- the nonsense practiced back then by politicians has not changed, it's worse.
Somebody was praising the Harding/Coolidge administrations and that reminded me they were followed by Hoover and the stock market crash in 1929. It also reminded me of Archie and Edith Bunker singing "We could use a man like Herbert Hoover again". To tie this all together, lots of stuff Donald Trump says are IMO something an Archie Bunker might say.
Trump says many things that I believe are meant to be outrageous that many Americans relate to whether they believe Trump can do it or not.
Hmm, no Stack.Archer B was a comedy, this scenario is hardly it. There was no Internet in Hoover or Bunkers time to hack into.The point l am trying to make is, when does one take this guy serious or is it " just having fun. "
**Remember the line in Tombstone where Ringo says " l was just fooling about, at which doc says " l wasn't. " It cost him his life.
Hey dummy...He's not a politician. He's worth 10 billion bucks and doesn't need to do this. IMO he's going to change things for the better. On the other hand, Hillary has been a politician for over 40 years and she will just be the same ol same ol.
Actually we don't know if his worth $10 mil LiGB- he says so, Mr C who is a billionaire of the mavericks thinks otherwise. Nevertheless it's besides the point. We once had a wrestler in MN & a bodybuilder in CA as governors.Need l remind you that Arnold has a business degree as well. It would be good for you to check their record on how well they did....Just saying.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/top-ten-reasons-to-doubt-trump-is-even-a-billionaire
Hillary has been a politician for the past 16 years. Being the spouse of a politician does NOT mean you are a politician.
Yes SoleWinner21, I agree with you 100% ! He does not think before he opens his mouth. And, where is his taxes! He's hiding something. He's not going to do not one thing if he gets into office, except look out for the rich. His clothes are made overseas, so he's not going to bring jobs back. He's going to be the biggest disappointment.
Amen. I love lottery post!
Regardless of your political affiliation- this line is a doozy.
" His clothes are made overseas, so he's not going to bring jobs back!"
Well, he's not going to bring jobs back to the USA. IT's just a whole lot of talk from trump. The wall that Mexico is going to pay for, not going to happen. People state that the Dems have not done any, but the Repubs were the first ones to step up to say that they were not going to work with President Obama. And now, a lot of the repubs don't like trump. Nothing is going to get done.
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, They probably have them. I’d like to have them released.”
While Archie Bunker was a fictional character, many people related to what he said and those who watched All in the Family say "sounds like something Archie Bunker would say". I seriously doubt Trump was advocating hacking into the State Department network and IMO it makes more sense to call it an Archie Bunkerism.
Ringo's death was ruled a suicide though Wyatt Earp and several others made claims, but Holiday was in Court in Colorado.
Nice comment and a great movie! " say when "!
I liked that movie a lot, but the death of Johnny Ringo in it is not factual. Most movies and shows are not factual. So I don't take them seriously, except for entertainment value.
I'd put a trumpload of $ down, a stack of bens as high as the wall he want's to build!! #Trumpload of loot
Yes it is a great movie. Had tons of humor as well instead of having bullets flying in every direction..Just a sample.
" Let's have a spelling contest. - Doc to Ike.
You may be the Anti Christ- Doc to his woman.
I'm your Huckleberry -Doc to Ringo
She's a stinking rotten criminal who sold influence for cash...See the Clinton Crime Foundation.
LOL, "let's have a spelling contest".
Did I misspell something?
Clearly the FBI and Justice Department, the top guys in law enforcement, disagree. I'm not voting for her because i will not vote a conservative regardless of what letter is next to their name.
It's a phrase from the movie Tombstone.
As I sit here in the North wing of Chateau De Sully16, sipping ice cold Perrier and nibbleing delicate finger sandwiches, I appluad you Kingofert, be the oppresser we know you can be, get your all faithful left wing loons to vote for Jill.
Thank you.
Bruuuuhahahahahahahaha.
That was a political not legal decision.
Yes you did? Go through all your posts for the last 6 months and you will see them glaring at you.
BB caught it.
Oh stack. We discussing a movie- lighten up Ol Friend. By the way when was the last time you took in a movie, not from the comfort of your recliner. Was it the Exorcist or The Godfather?
She got over 500,000 votes in 2012, The Green Party is growing as more and more people are realizing there needs to be an alternative to the two right wing parties.
Anyone who takes votes away from Hil Lie Ery is fine with me.
I truly believe Trump is playing chess and almost everyone else is playing checkers. If your baseline is that Trump is a self-promoting, idiotic buffoon, who has accomplished nothing in life and screws everyone he has ever come into contact with certainly you will interpret his comments negatively. However, if you open your minds to the reality that he is a very successful businessman with negotiation and other skills that enabled his growth on a worldwide scale, you may delve a little deeper into his comments and have some curiosity as to what this guy is up to. What truly scares me about the state of this country and the voters is that that most lack any intellectual curiosity and those that view themselves as most informed are intellectually dishonest. How can one listen to any of these career politicians and not recognize that all they do is lie in an attempt to garner votes? Another impact that Trump is having in this election cycle is to expose the true partisan nature of the media. The universal outrage expressed over Trump's comments about Hillary's deleted e-mails is instructive. Remember that Hillary informed us that the 33,000 deleted e-mails were all personal in nature: how then can calling on the Russian's to release them if they have them have any national security implications? Releasing Hillary's yoga lesson e-mails have national security implications? Oh, but the idiotic media and the democratic party go even further; he should be investigated by every arm of the US government for his treasonous statements; how can he request of the Russian's to infiltrate her server in an attempt to get these 33,000 e-mails when we already know that Hillary had her team physically destroyed the servers?- they don't even exist anymore. This does not require much thought to debunk the nonsense you are being asked to believe- you just need some level of curiosity and common sense. If you are voting in this election, wake the hell up to the sewer that is our current government and the leaders of both parties.
I hear what you are saying, BUT trump IS NOT THE GUY TO MAKE CHANGES! trump is about trump and that is it. I was a Bernie person, so I pick Hillary over trump.
Trump should release his TAXES. Is trump going to get his clothes made in the USA? Everything that trump states, someone else has to explain what he meant to say.
Looks like you never saw a Trump speech. What changes do you expect Hillary to make? Can you be specific? I can.
And talking about old TV shows like All in the Family that aired about the same time as when The Godfather was released (1972?). I've heard people say some of Trump's remarks sound like something Archie Bunker might say and others say "who is Archie Bunker". I don't expect everybody under 40 to know of the Archie Bunker character, but it's not that difficult to search it. IMO Trump remarks are more figuratively and do remind me of "something Archie Bunker might say".
BTW, today one of the taking heads showed Bunker and Trumps quotes which were remarkably similar.
A while back someone on LP said "Jack's Racino don't look the same anymore since they remolded it." and I mentioned it sounded like something Yogi Berra might say. Instead of simply searching "Yogisms" that member decided I was insulting her so it seems like some of the members here are either somewhat paranoid or don't understand other types of humor.
Oh, and speaking of quotes from classics westerns, I was thinking about this quote ,"When the legend is better than the truth print the legend" when I remarked about Holiday and Ringo.
The last ten days, the heat index here was over 100 and we went to the movies and saw Ghost Busters on Sunday.
Trump can't release his taxes yet because the IRS is auditing him right now. He will later when they're done.
I watched the RNC Convention everyday and I was not Impressed. I think that Hillary will get more done than Trump.
IRS stated that trump can release his taxes before the IRS is done. That was from the IRS.
Yea? Like what? Democrats have been in power for 8 years straight.
And has been blocked by the republicans for 8 years. When Obama took office, the republicans were the first to say that they were not going to work with Obama.
Democrats held majorities in both Houses the first four years of obama's term. Don't blame that on Republicans. You want to know the truth about Democrats?.....They like to divide people for votes even when there is no division. Believe what you want, I'm tired of arguing with a rock.
It's not a argument, you vote for whom ever you want.
The only reason that it requires further explanation is because of the relentless attack and manipulation by the media. If you can't watch yesterday's press conference and then recognize how his answers were totally distorted by the compliant press on instructions from the Hillary campaign (let the spin begin), you are not trying hard enough or you have biases going in that preclude you from open and honest discernment.
The honesty of your comment that Trump is about Trump is totally contradicted by your next sentence where you pick Hillary; if you think Trump is all about Trump more than Hillary is all about Hillary, you are not paying attention.
Now I wonder what would happen if they indict Hillary Clinton on the email scandals like they should have in the first place, which then will disqualify her of holding on higher office in the US, including presidency. She is legally NOT eligible to become president. Yet the government (United States Attorney General, Lynch) doesn't care about the law when it comes to her.
If only the Republicans actually were an opposition party over the last eight years, Trump would never have had a chance in this election cycle. Of course they should have said they would not work with Obama- his stated desire was to "fundamentally transform America". If you believe in America's constitution and the bill of rights, you could not possibly support fundamental transformation. Only thing is the Republicans rolled over for fear of being called racist for opposing the half white guy, telling their supporters to always wait for the next election cycle when they could really impact Washington (can you say we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government when they took control of the house? Can you say we don't want to do anything in opposition to Obama for fear of hurting our chances in the presidential election?). Our leaders- Obama, Biden, Boehner, McConnell, Pelosi, Reid, Ryan- all fail to represent the American people.
If she does get indicted ( which I think she will not ) than it was meant to be. Trump should release his taxes.
You are the exact scary voter that is ruining America. You perceive yourself to be fully informed yet you have not a clue. Is this the same IRS under Obama that went after the Tea Party groups not-for-profit status prohibiting them from fully participating in the 2012 election? Of course, you probably think Lois Lerner did nothing wrong because she also walked away a free woman, as did Hillary. So the IRS says there is nothing that precludes Trump from releasing his tax returns while under audit and you mindlessly agree. There is not one tax attorney that would recommend a client release any information until an audit is complete. So, of course he could release his returns because there is nothing that legally precludes it, but that would be unwise. On a larger point, what the hell do you want to learn from Trump's tax returns? It is inconsequential except to those that would seek to use the information in an additional attempt to destroy Hillary's opponent. There is a truth that everyone should strive for- not my truth, not your truth, not Democrats truth, not Republicans truth- the truth.
Well, I hope you and TrigglyPuff can save the world.
There will be a whole lot of angry people if they tell the citizens that Clinton is above the law.
It's a federal crime to send classified and top secret information to somebody who does not have the proper clearance. It's even worse when it was sent on an unsecure server in her basement (which is against policy too)
It's also a federal crime to lie under oath in the Supreme Court.
She should go to prison for 20 years with no chance of parole.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but read this excerpt regarding Operation Northwoods from Wiki and judge for yourself.
Or u can google it. It sounds very much like the scenario from 9/11.
Operation Northwoods
Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2]
At the time of the proposal, communists led by Fidel Castro had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government.[3] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various US military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".
The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.
Lol lol
Thanks Deo, I will check it out.
Google Trigglypuff, hehehehehehe, King's Queen.
Labels do not apply anymore. We need a logical people's revolution to save the USA. Trump is the one to lead change. If Hillary gets in, we will not even be able to walk down the street without fear of bring shot or worse. And we all know how Obama loved Catholics...lol. I will end up trying to be a Christian in the catacomb sewers of Washington, DC.
We are at the very end of the line here and we have no more time to make wrong choices. The invasion is happening if Hillary is elected. We will not survive as a free nation under Hillary. If you are on the fence as to your choice, open your eyes to the truth.
I agree.
The Democrats controlled both the Senate and the House for Obama's first 2 years. He could have done anything he wanted and he took advantage of that by passing numerous legislation's including his beloved OBAMA care. FYI, not possible for the Republicans to block anything when the Democrats had control of everything.
The most extreme cases of political correctness are in the right, not the left. "Capitalism is entirely good" "Lower taxes create jobs because they make rich people happy" THAT is the very definition of political correctness, blind belief in nonsense that politicians spew out. The difference between left and right political correctness is that the left controls the crazies while the right has been eaten by them.
Why so much doom and gloom? If Obama didn't destroy America, how/why would/could Hillary Rodham?
2 years to be able to bring real change and instead the center-right moderate conservative uses it to implement far-right healthcare created by the Heritage Foundation. His only other major bill was to allow you to carry an arsenal onto Amtrak trains. Sound Progressive to you when you leave political jargon and look at the bare facts?
Today is the safest time in American history. What you said is the equivalent of wearing 4 winter coats in July.
Hey buddy...You live in Germany. Don't worry about our US elections OK! You're first concern should be the terrorists Merkel is allowing into your country. Just another reason we're voting for Trump here!
Safest for who? You kidding? Have you seen the news lately? Stop with the BS man.
Whattt! You are to far gone. You have been brainwashed and can't see it, Cause I don't think all Corporations are good and wholesome, take each as they come.
Your either making stuff up to suit your own insecurities , extreme lack of self worth, or whoever warped your mind needs to be put away for a very long time, cause buddy, you drank way to much Kool-aid.
Who are these terrorists you are referring too?
You derail by telling me this discussion is open to Americans only but somehow Merkel forces your hand in the election? Little contradictory.
Let's talk how your country allowed hundreds of women to be assaulted by immigrants.
Exactly.
Germany is the launching pad for the invasion. Valient France is trying to hold on. I cry for France.
As opposed to the regular assault of women by non-immigrants?
Do you believe this was a government-sanctioned grope-in ?
Right, that's why France had these problems before.
More alarmist rhetoric from you I see, I'm sure you will enjoy a Trump presidency.
Germany's immigrant/refugee problems are in pale compared to millions of illegals in here who smuggle drugs, murder, rape, rob, drive with no insurance, hundreds of thousands of Latino gangbangers who are growing in #s, and children of these illegals are awarded automatic US citizenship which costs tax payers millions per year in school, medical, and other costs. They literally bankrupted CA, which resorted to legalizing weed. Get the idea?
Spot on. I agree.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/14/theres-never-been-a-safer-time-to-be-a-kid-in-america/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09/29/canada-election-security-safe_n_8039394.html
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/history-and-the-decline-of-human-violence/
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html
Who is the BSer here again?
The queen of right wing political correctness retreats into her safe space where facts and her opinion can never be separated.When you come out of your safe space let me know and we can chat facts.
Yes and no. Painting millions of people with such broad strokes is unfair and downplays how the US governments worked to destabilize its neighboring countries while profiting from the cheap labor undocumented immigrants provide to the US economy.
These illegals pay billions in taxes and in the clunky way that governments work produce the people the US needs in order to prosper and fend off aging of the population.
This is why the border is intentionally penetrable. If the government intended to be able to find any person in the country, which as I understand is why controls are so intense, they could implement obligation to register.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
Contrary to public perception, "Illegal" immigrants MUST pay their taxes and are NOT allowed to go on any kind of welfare. It's messed up , but hey the republicans want it that way. Everything else you said is far detached from reality that I don't know whether i should even bother.
Fine i'll show everyone how detached you are
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/02/surprise-donald-trump-is-wrong-about-immigrants-and-crime/
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/06/public-study-illegal-immigrants-commit-less-crime-than-americans/
I am far from PC Cupcake and I never retreat.
You chose that Avatar to make yourself bigger then who you really are, calling yourself King, yikes!
Now go back to putting labels on books, people and everything else that scares you.
Sounds like you fear Trump. Another reason to vote for him.
More playground-level skills from you.
As I'm white and male I don't have to fear Trump.
If your decision to vote for somebody is as callous as to do it to spite someone I understand your infatuation with a fraudulent con-artist narcissist.
First of all, I've never said jack didley about illegals not paying taxes or go on welfare. Yea, I'm sure they pay sales tax after a meal at McDonald's and of course they're not eligible for welfare. Second of all u said everything else I said was far detached from reality? LOL so Mr. bleeding heart pinko, we don't have any illegal-related problems I mentioned here?
U belong in a commie China or N Korea or better yet, in a looney bin. Go work on ur reading comprehension.
Illegal's commit less crime ?, they are all criminals as they broke our laws coming here.
Oh and I went through you last 50 posts, seeing 2 different speaking styles again, as one of you speaks more intelligently than the other.
Busted, I know what your doing.
Many of deported illegals end up here again. Forget fighting terrorism overseas, we need to fight illegal immigration in our back yard now.
Do tell.
Of course our government's letting them in here on purpose for the reasons you've cited, but here's the grim consequence for that. When Cuba had severe rodent problems on their sugar cane farms, they brought mongooses from India, and soon the rodent population was decimated. However, when mongooses no longer had rats to feast on, they started to attack chickens and other livestock. We're inviting future troubles to solve current troubles
Telling us you a white male who doesn't fear Trump, why do our elections even matter to you ?
Tell us White male, or because you're not actually black, so therefore your White?
illegals do not pay billions in taxes, most of them work under the table and pay no tax at all, or SS, or Medicare, or property tax, they collect welfare on top of their under the table wage.
Many of them file tax returns here and claim 15 dependants and get a big chunk of money they never even paid./
They dont matter to me any more than I like to stay current on world events.
As for your second statement, what did you want to express, as it is it's unintelligible. I never claimed to be black. Maybe you got me mixed up with somebody else?
You're far from left wing PC, but you;re still extremely PC.
I chose this avatar because it fits my username, some people have creativity when picking their internet usernames.
More PC from the queen of right wing PC.
Yes because they WANT to be here and WE NEED THEM. The last thing they want to do is have the immigration cops know they exist and thus they don't commit crimes apart from a few bad apples. Our immigration process is the hardest in the world to get through, it takes an average of 16 years to become a citizen. If the US and Mexico were reversed you would just cross illegally as well.
Ah, now i get it, believe it or not i have a life and so depending on how crappy or amazing my day is going i'll either try to talk you like an adult or i'll just explain facts at a level you can understand.
We don't need them, few bad apples, go to Detroit....few, brainwashed.
There are 2 of you, talking down to me and showing me how insecure you are doesn't change that fact.
You're Cupcake of the earth, you are not a warrior, just a crybaby who posts links to left wing rags, written by more crybabies.
Undocumented immigrants are somewhere between sunshine and ice cream on the list of problems in this country. Our screwed up immigration system though is a big concern. Pulling the communist card is so 2nd grade level childishness. Hell North Korea is run under Juche which is a RIGHT WING system mixed with old fashioned Right Wing Authoritarianism. North Korea is a right wing heaven. China is also extremely right wing. Go read up on basic economics, politics, philosophy and writing.
How nice, you really don't see a problem in identifying humans with animals? Oh yes because there was anyy bad consequences when human beings were compared to undesirable creatures like rodents, 1940's Germany was such a peaceful place and they used it a lot. I had to go there, it is literal word for word.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/undocumented-workers-immigration-alabama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/alabama-immigration-law-colbert-i-told-you-so_n_1035165.html
Alabama being Alabama went full racist on "illegals" and the results were disastrous because WE NEED THEM. You are not going to work for $7.25 an hour (Most likely less) for 16 hours a day 7 days a week and neither will i or any other "legal" resident of this country.
Nope, just me. Talking to you adult to adult has clearly failed so i need to go down to your educational level (1st grade maybe). I'm not the one who shown time and again an inability to express oneself as an adult (or even a teenager). Find one source validating anything you said, i dare you (Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources).
Left wing, right wing.....it's still the same dirty bird...
Hillary has too much blood on her hands, and it's her or Trump.
Trump has crossed party lines depending on what was on the table....and I like that....Once the crap slinging is done, I think he'll be able to negotiate across the aisle.
Illegal immigration is just that....illegal...If they come by breaking our laws, we cannot expect them to abide the laws....
Maybe some of those resources spent causing turmoil in the middle east (oil and poppies anyone) and elsewhere could be used to secure our border, and rebuild our economy....and why doesn't anyone consider Mexico and other South American countries "regimes" when it comes to refugee crises? Heck ...THEY are our next door neighbors! We need to fix here, before trying to fix everywhere else.
you are beyond help.
Well kingocupcake, our jouney ends. You are blocked.
What gets me is this: "Daily Caller and Breitbart do NOT count as sources" and yet kingofderp trots out links to MSNBC and HuffPo. (which, according to him, are right-wing sites, right?) He's established himself as a liar multiple times in this thread alone, now by his own most recent words he's proved he's also a hypocrite.
Exactly, He's been brainwashed. I blocked him, he's a fanatic.
I believe there are 2 people posting.
Yep, his parents need to be slapped for raising him the way they did. His ignorance is massive. We had a name for college boys working the summers out on the drilling rigs: "educated worms".
It's getting to be where you can't tell the sock puppets in here without a scorecard. Not sure who his other persona is - or was - but I'm sure he is/was just as clueless in that one, too.
yep, on all counts.
I ask for sources to back up even one thing you've ever said, this is your answer. It shows your age (6 years old) quite well.
Oh you who deal in 'facts', do some research om crossing the border INTO Mexico from the south of their country.
If you're out to set a record for getting blocked by the most members in the fastest time you just might do it.
You're very quick to jump to conclusions, attack people you don't even know, and just make stuff up, like right wing pc.
You're truly delusional, get some help.
Sites that are well maintained and protected against someone just spewing nonsense are acceptable sources. My offer extends to your challenge. Show one instance of me saying anything that is contradictory or incorrect i dare you. You know such things don't exist.
I post sources backing up my arguments
Sully 6 year old does not
You really think i'm the ignorant one?
You call me ignorannt, then say that being educated is bad? You really should stop trying to demomnize education but hey you live in the state that changed its textbooks to include basic Wrong information before it caused outrage and they were ordered to change it back.
I have, your point being? it is completely different than what Trump is proposing. One is to stop human trafficking and the other would have us declaring bankruptcy from the sheer cost. you should look up the Schengen area
Any honest observer can see who the adult is and who isn't, i prefer to only talk to adults.
I jump to no conclusion, only facts or peer-reviewed hypotheses. I am not the one screaming " Rich people are better that's why they're rich" or other total nonsense.
You mean sites such as HuffPo that delete comments that don't fit their disingenuous narrative?
Show you ONE instance? I could show you dozens - nearly every time you've posted, nearly every thing you've said.
I'd say you're more "clueless" than "ignorannt" (sic), although for a college boy you're not exactly a poster child for the benefits of higher education.
I never did "demomnize" (sic) education, but didn't want to waste time and words explaining to you that I do NOT think education is a bad thing, only that it involves learning about all aspects of an historical event or the reasons why, not some biased view that only validates your own viewpoint.
I also never said being educated is bad. There you go lying again.
Speaking of states, New York shows how dishonest the majority of inhabitants of that state are by electing the dishonest Hillary Clinton. I know people in NYC are dumb because I watched "Cash Cab".
Then do it, show us something this contradictory or factually incorrect.
Um, I spend most of my time in Upstste which went heavily for Bernie. If I only wanted to hear my biased viewpoints I would get a blog or a forum devoted to such but I don't. I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner that includes giving sources and accepting when you're wrong, whether politics, lottery, history or any other topic.
You've said LOTS of things that weren't true; nearly every thing about "red" states or trying to prove a point with military statistics, many other things. I didn't like reading your drivel the first time, why should I suffer through it again? If your posts were on paper, they'd have some use in the bathroom.
As has been mentioned, you can't be bothered by "facts" except those that support your narrow viewpoint and world view. Just as you've set pre-conditions for what links are acceptable or not, I automatically impeach your sources. Your type of an "open mind" is good only to serve as an ashtray or urinal.
This is a guy who believes we should import Mexicans to do the work he doesn't want to do, he has no value on them as humans. 7.25 is beneath a guy who doesn't work at all.
"I want to hear all different viewpoints...." Yada Yada Yada
SURE you do, right! -wink-
Adult? Good grief, your definition is different than the one I know. How many times have you used "Christian Taliban"? How many times have you made up some statistic about red states? How many times did YOU start the name-calling first, how many times did you intentionally try to troll someone? I don't know the exact number, but I'd say a bunch.
1) Christian taliban is an accurate term to describe some members of both parties who seek to forcibly bring religion into our lives. 2) I don't make them up, you can research yourself. If you find something wrong, PLEASE let me know so I can know that is wrong information. 3) Never started the name-calling, always in reply to a lot of name calling. 4) Never tried to intentionally troll anyone, The exact number for the latter two is Zero. The first one is probably a bunch and the second one is by definition something that I can't answer.
Someone said Trump does not think before he opens his mouth. I think I like that better
than someone who has thought too much before they open their's. Trump has my vote.
Obama is a fail. I remember how many people were so happy when he won. How were his
lies different from anyone else's? Are those people happy now like they were then? I doubt it.
Obamacare is a joke and so is he, I'll be so glad when he's gone.
Voters need to come to their own conclusions about who is best for this country. Stop listening
to opinions of the media, watchdog groups and the opposite party. People are either too weak,
confused or afraid to stand alone as if just going with the brainwashed public opinion of who
will do right for us is the only choice whether they fully agree with the notion or not. Some of
them dont know why they're supporting someone but will go with the flow because to them it
feels comfortable and right and how can so many others be wrong?
Hillary is a choice worse than Obama. Same political party, same Democratic bull but this
one is a woman. Obama was a first, you don't think the honor of being another first hasn't crossed
her mind? She wants this very badly. She'll lie, cheat and bash as well as the rest of them and if
elected will continue on leading this country down the drain. Not having a humble bone in your
body leads to treachery and arrogance leads to poor judgement. Give me Trumps plan of action
any day over a woman with something to prove. Every time she raises her hands while spewing her
garbage to the brainwashed masses, I think of the devil summoning his legion of evil doing servants.
I see no evil in Trump but if let my mind be manipulated in the way the oposition wants it to be, we have
no choice but to waste more time with the same ideas and agenda we've been subjected to in 8 years.
Even if Trump loses I'll know I didn't go with the flow and vote in the disaster named Hillary. She's sly
in a bad way, calculating and conniving. She knew she had to keep Bill around for a reason and this is it.
I'm not willing to elect someone who compromises principals to reach a personal goal. Anything goes in
politics, they're all wrapped up in the fantasy that they do the best they can. I want Trump's brand of reality.
Not the political correctness that is doing nothing to change this country in the way it needs to change.
Nice post dr65! Like yourself, I agree that some of the things coming out of Donald Trumps aren't exactly well thought out and pre-planned. I just want him to tone down some of his logic. I feel he truly want wants to make America great again while Hillary is sticking to her Saul Alinsky game plan in order to achieve absolute power.
The supreme court will be altered for generations if she is elected and having predominantly liberal justices is one of my biggest fears.
Very well said dr65... and we do need a change.. almost 8 years of Obama and we are worst off now than when he came into office and if Hillary get's in we will have at least another 4 years of the same thing... that Obamacare has put more people into debt...and I am a witness to that.. cause my insurance premium went up 3 times after this Obamacare went into effect...and they just raised their premiums again....and I am still paying on medical bills and than to be taxed at income tax time if you don't have insurance... that is crazy... some people I know had to pay 600 or more dollars in taxes cause they didn't have the Obamacare Insurance...these are the worst insurance plans that I have ever seen in my life...all they do is put you more into debt...
If you thought obamacare was bad before, just wait until 2017. The insurance provided by your employer used to be a tax free benefit, not anymore. Next year the money from your employer towards health insurance (I think over 10K) will be considered your income and you will be taxed 40% on that amount. I belong to a union and the contractor I work for contributes about 13K for my insurance, well next year I will have to pay tax on that 13K. Sucks!
2017, scary stuff.
Yes and he and Michelle get to go out gracefully with smiles on their faces
and stories to tell...him on how he made sure America had health insurance
(but penalized lots) her with her healthy school lunch program (designed to
stop unhealthy choices in school...a grape, a 1/2 oz of milk and 1/4 of a
Cornish hen breast)
Lots will suffer and greenbay, that is sad stuff. I want the real America back.
Dee I'm sure a lot of other people like your $600 example exist. They don't want to
dwell on that...they want us accepting, conforming and peaceful and nodding our
heads and telling them great job! Bs...they should be forced to live what some of
these people are...then come tell me you care. They'd be in line making changes
so fast our heads would spin. I dont care if Trump is rich and certainly dont give
a da mn about his tax returns. Is someone looking for crooked?...grow up people
open your eyes and get your country back from the tyrants that currently run it.
Saul Alinsky was a community organizer who wanted to help those who didn't have any power. Does that sound like Hillary to you? Trump's patriotism is not disputable, his ability to not change his mind on every issue every 3 seconds though is another question. Oh yes because having Supreme Court justices that believe that Satan is walking among us (real Scalia quote) is so not insane and dangerous.
That's extreme right wing conservatism for you. The far-right Obamacare comes from the 1990's Heritage Foundation. Elect a Leftist, or even a centrist like Sanders and you'd get very different results.
Heard an interesting rumor on the radio today. Bernie Sanders might join Jill Stein in the race for the white house. Stein/Sanders? OMG! Buy your fruitcakes before Christmas because they're going to be gone by November.
Only thing we have to fear is fear itself
"I want to hear all different viewpoints and ideas and give my viewpoints and ideas in an adult manner"
Good luck with that!
Four years ago I posted an excerpt from the Republican National platform calling for the banning of all forms of Online gambling and when they ran out of lame arguments, the insults started. Sound familiar? The good news is (maybe because the Republican nominee is a casino owner), for the first time in 12 years, the ban is no longer in the platform.
As for viewpoints, people on this thread are calling for change and if nominating a women for president isn't change, I'd like to hear what they call change.
Re: Community Organizer such as Alinsky:
Community organizing
Community organizing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It figures that you would think just because Hillary is a woman she automatically deserves to be appointed president. Never mind the fact that if her last name wasn't Clinton and she had perpetrated just 1/10th of the criminal activities that the FBI accused her of she would be in jail.
The entire government and a large majority of congress is beyond corrupt. Being delusional about your party is another reason why our country is getting destroyed from within.