Landmark bill would ban computerized lottery drawings in Delaware

Comment #53

konane — Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:42:18 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by DoctorEw220 on February 14, 2005here's the problem with RNGs. not only can they be fixed, but it takes longer between drawing cut-off and the release of the winning numbers. that only adds scrutiny to the drawings. why does it take 20-30 minutes to draw numbers randomly, but a matter of seconds for lotteries to draw numbers with a ball machine (depending on how many games are being drawn on that day. some lotteries draw only one, while others will draw 4 or 5 on a giv... [ More ]

Comment #52

CASH Only — Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:38:05 GMT

Looks like some progress is being made.

Comment #51

DoctorEw220 — Mon, 14 Feb 2005 07:49:11 GMT

here's the problem with RNGs. not only can they be fixed, but it takes longer between drawing cut-off and the release of the winning numbers. that only adds scrutiny to the drawings. why does it take 20-30 minutes to draw numbers randomly, but a matter of seconds for lotteries to draw numbers with a ball machine (depending on how many games are being drawn on that day. some lotteries draw only one, while others will draw 4 or 5 on a give draw show.). the other problem with lotteries (both ball m... [ More ]

Comment #50

LosingJeff — Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:15:27 GMT

You are right Todd! I agree that the same algorithm was used. Again, Jim's scrolls show a myriad of patterns that can prove the Hoosier Lottery drawings are not random! I guess they figured no one would ever catch it; they were wrong! It appears now that everything has backfired, as the public is now understanding the truth of this matter.

Comment #49

Todd — Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:19:04 GMT

Four4me,That's a great example. Did you see on the same dates the second Pick 3 drawings had 942 and 943? Looks like Indiana used the same algorithm for both drawings, and since they were probably held at the same time of the day, the seed number may have the same or similar. A great example of one of the many reasons why computers are no good for lottery drawings.Someone may say, hey, that's great, I'll be able to predict the numbers easier! But do they really think the lottery would let... [ More ]

Comment #48

four4me — Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:20:29 GMT

Indiana RNG's 2/7/20059-3-59-4-20-1-7-50-0-7-2 2/8/20055-3-42-2-87-1-6-87-2-1-9 2/9/20054-9-20-1-61-6-9-66-2-8-0 2/10/20053-1-09-4-39-8-7-40-0-7-2 2/11/20057-0-32-9-93-6-9-52-1-0-9 Maryland ball machines1/6/05 0606 evening2/7/05 0606 middayNot exactly back to back drawings. This happens in ball drawings also.I didn't have time to check all states but Indiana and Maryland weren't the only states to have repeat numbers draw this month. Maryland also had the combo of 059 drawn 4 ti... [ More ]

Comment #47

LosingJeff — Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:44:22 GMT

Go check Indiana midday 4 for this past week. 0072 hit within 4 days of each other. Nothing out of the ordinary for Indiana.

Comment #46

lottobrain — Sat, 12 Feb 2005 04:29:03 GMT

I would like to comment on Delaware's computer drawings from past experience visiting the internal drawing site. I have done so on several ocassions, though it has been about two years now since my last visit. I did not like the inconsistency of drawing techniques displayed by the various auditors at each visit, though perhaps since we are talking about electronic signals and not ping pong balls, it sholdn't make any difference. But being preferential to the consistency of the daily ping pon... [ More ]

Comment #45

Todd — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:38:48 GMT

Ah, the sounds of silence

Comment #44

Todd — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:50:40 GMT

bigbets:You know exactly what I'm talking about, and again you throw out useless comments and arguments in order to hide your true intentions. I never asked personal information - you're the one who started throwing out useless junk like male, went to Penn State (go Lions) , etc. (Although I love Penn State, you mentioned it as a sarcastic remark.)We're inching closer to the truth here, but it's obvious that you don't want to be forthcoming without being confronted.Anyone following this threa... [ More ]

Comment #43

bigbets — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:48:14 GMT

Well, Todd. You are right about one thing. I need to find a Website where the host is objective and doesn't ask people with different opinions to leave. I am from Philly. I work in both PA and Delaware.and am posting from Delaware. I've already publicly posted personal information about myself way beyond you rules. Where are you from. Jersey, huh? Where in Jersery? WHere were you raised?But you still fail to provide any credible foundation for your position. Guess you don't have one.Bet smart, f... [ More ]

Comment #42

Todd — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:41:30 GMT

I think you need to find a web site where hyper-active ego-centrics swap long stories.I was correct when I stated that you fill your posts with specious arguments. Glad you looked it up.When I mentioned Philly, it was because you are not in Philadelphia right now. Nor where you when you made your first post. How about you tell us where exactly you were?The reason I ask is that we don't take kindly to people who intentionally mislead the members here as to their location. In your case, it is... [ More ]

Comment #41

bigbets — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:59:13 GMT

I didn't know I needed to state my city of origin and whether I was not with a Lottery for you to sanction me as credible. Well, I am not with a Lottery. Yes, I was born in Philly. Southside, born in 1947. Grew up in Wilmington in Browntown. Male. Vet. Systems Engineer by trade, B.S. in Electrical Engineering from Penn State. Go Lions....Anything else? Do I also need to agree with your oversimplified view (blame) of why people don't win at lottery games now? Specious? Wow. How much more insultin... [ More ]

Comment #40

Todd — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:36:38 GMT

Bigbets,I see from your response that (a) you did not deny being connected to the lottery in some way, and (b) you like to write long, wordy responses that would require me to write a similarly long, windy response in order to rebut all the nonsense you wrote.Sorry, but I don't have the time necessary to do that kind of thing, especially when your every one of your arguments are so specious, requiring me to write an unnecessarily long response.So, you're saying (in your profile) that you're from... [ More ]

Comment #39

bigbets — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:35:50 GMT

Okay. I'm guessing their keno and instant tickets are the best payout percentages. It's interesting to do a little reading of state code and Lottery law. I don't know anything about NY lottery code, but Mass does not have a required return to the state like Delaware and PA. This means that they can jack up payouts on instant tickets and keno, while making it up on lower payout games like lotto. The key is deciding whether you want to play long-odds and expect very few winning experiences (typic... [ More ]

Comment #38

CASH Only — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:18:37 GMT

bigbets:The 38%-40% figure is for the NY Lotto 6/59 game.

Comment #37

bigbets — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:17:16 GMT

Their site shows a different figure--57%. Is your figure for a specific game? Lotteries do intentionally create an aggregate payout across all game. For example, keno will typicallly pay around 60-65% whereas a daily numbers game is usually a payout odds game around 50%. If you needed to check on the veracity of the figure on the page below, you could contact the NY State Comptroller/Auditor:http://www.nylottery.org/ny/nyStore/cgi-bin/ProdSubEV_Cat_333653_SubCat_337630_NavRoot_305.htmhttp://www.... [ More ]

Comment #36

CASH Only — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:51:56 GMT

bigbets:NY Lotto returns ONLY 38%-40% to players. Be thankful you don't live here.

Comment #35

bigbets — Fri, 11 Feb 2005 00:40:03 GMT

Hey, Todd. Swiss cheese? I don't see you filling in any of those holes with facts or references or experience from visiting a gaming operation and seeing something amiss. You do miss the point, and I am certain you did not intend to insult by insinuating I am a lotery person out to battle the cynics and naysayers...You see, while all of the cynics and naysayers are worried about whether a draw method is rigged (which isn't happening at the hands of any state or casino in any small conspiracy, at... [ More ]

Comment #34

DoctorEw220 — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 22:27:31 GMT

here's a way that may be cheaper to draw pick 3 and pick 4 games.build a slot machine. 3 slots for pick 3, and 4 slots for pick 4. the draw talent pulls the handle, and the slot machine goes to work. no balls to fill with lead paint. no air machines to break.

Comment #33

MADDOG10 — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:22:08 GMT

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Comment #32

Todd — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:05:11 GMT

bigbets:A tub of swiss cheese has far fewer holes than your arguments.I love how you say that a RNG is fair because they have been used for years and years for keno and slot machines. I guess you've got me cornered on that one! Keno games and slot machines are well-known for their fairness and accuracy, huh? (On the contrary, casinos love 'em because they can control exactly what machines payout the most. Is that what you're after?)I think the fact that the lottery can easily catch people... [ More ]

Comment #31

MADDOG10 — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:51:36 GMT

geez, i thought we were talking about the weakest link , not the whole fence..

Comment #30

jim695 — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:34:11 GMT

Well, fellas, lunch is served. I'll let you guys have this one.Enjoy

Comment #29

bigbets — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:03:08 GMT

Nothing personal, but you anti-electronic drawing guys and gals are self-deceived. Random number generators do not equal corruption or any intent to pay fewer prizes. Make sure you get your facts straight before you jump on the emotional bandwagon of fear. It's a pretty easy jump; easier than doing a little research and using common sense.First fact: Lotteries across the country, including Delaware, Indiana, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc., are paying out a higher percentage of sales in these rece... [ More ]

Comment #28

Maverick — Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:47:08 GMT

Jim695 said: The lotteries must provide a live drawing, even if no one watches, because it's essential to the integrity of the games; it's a basic cost of doing business in that industry which cannot be circumvented without drawing suspicion. That is the best wording I ever encountered since I realized lotteries could be altered. I very much like your last paragraph also

Comment #27

DoctorEw220 — Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:39:53 GMT

still no response from PA, and i sent it a few days ago.

Comment #26

DoctorEw220 — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:12:43 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by CASH Only on January 21, 2005 Todd:I access Lottery Post from the liberry.do you get the blues from blueberries

Comment #25

Rick G — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:16:53 GMT

Personally I turn on the channel broadcasting the lottery game at the time of the drawing and then rerturn to the programming I was originally watching before the drawing.To say that they are only getting a 7% share of the Nielson ratings is referring to the whole half hour of programming in that time slot. Put it on a better channel, change draw times, do anything it takes to increase revenues, but the last resort is to go to closeted computerized drawings. I wouldn't play that kind of game.I... [ More ]

Comment #24

Todd — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:58:23 GMT

Do you also access Lottery Post from the library

Comment #23

CASH Only — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:44:40 GMT

Todd:I access Lottery Post from the liberry.

Comment #22

jim695 — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:27:39 GMT

The idea is a sound one, provided the integrity of lottery personnel can be assured. If the Hoosier Lottery were to adopt such a policy, the next scandal to hit the papers would be one in which they'd tape a week's worth or even a month's worth of drawings in one day, and then air them at the appropriate times. This would enable them to predetermine the winning numbers on a daily basis, so we're right back where we started. I think the idea could be enhanced to include a videotape of a live draw... [ More ]

Comment #21

Todd — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:11:18 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on January 21, 2005Maryland has that but it only archives about a weeks worth of vedio information. I know a lot of people who use the internet. But i know a lot more that don't or woln't get near a PC even if you gave them one for free. A lot of people i know who use a pc for work say that when they get home the last thing they want to do is get on a pc and surf the net.However i do agree that DrEW has agood idea.I know a lot of people don't use a PC, but the... [ More ]

Comment #20

four4me — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:59:19 GMT

Maryland has that but it only archives about a weeks worth of vedio information. I know a lot of people who use the internet. But i know a lot more that don't or woln't get near a PC even if you gave them one for free. A lot of people i know who use a pc for work say that when they get home the last thing they want to do is get on a pc and surf the net.However i do agree that DrEW has agood idea.

Comment #19

Todd — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:50:40 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by DoctorEw220 on January 21, 2005i sent a nice, long e-mail to the PA lottery about how they can easily cut costs by video-taping the mid-day drawings and uploading them to the website instead of televising them. that way, they need not pay money to TV stations to broadcast them, but they still have live, authentic, vidoe-taped drawings, but the players can view the draw on the website instead of the TV. the sales would go up, and the lottery still wouldn't pay as much... [ More ]

Comment #18

DoctorEw220 — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 05:28:16 GMT

i sent a nice, long e-mail to the PA lottery about how they can easily cut costs by video-taping the mid-day drawings and uploading them to the website instead of televising them. that way, they need not pay money to TV stations to broadcast them, but they still have live, authentic, vidoe-taped drawings, but the players can view the draw on the website instead of the TV. the sales would go up, and the lottery still wouldn't pay as much as they would for televising the drawings.

Comment #17

Maverick — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:18:41 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on January 20, 2005Can you believe the audacity of a Lottery Director who says that they get tons of complaint letters from the players, but they're still going to do the computerized drawings anyway?? Just goes to show what his priorities are.Right on Chief! They advertise that it's a game, but hide behind the business.

Comment #16

Todd — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:47:21 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on January 20, 2005 Thanks Konane that link was what I was looking for.Sorry for the misunderstanding Todd. When I saw the Delaware logo with that post I assumed it was from their site. Not realizing that, I wondered were you found the article. So I surfed Delaware site. I realized rather quickly that it wasn't something they would post. I didn't have time to do and Internet search for the article. I had several errands to run. Konane has posted what I was ask... [ More ]

Comment #15

four4me — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:24:56 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by CASH Only on January 20, 2005I would approve of a ban on computerized draws...although it would endanger keno.This is what you wrote: although it would endanger keno.This article Todd posted has nothing to do with keno games in any state it's about pick 3/4 and other games that have gone computerized. I am only commenting about your statement because i don't know where you get the idea that it involves keno.

Comment #14

CASH Only — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:18:09 GMT

four4me:How are keno games (every few minutes) drawn? DE doesn't have keno.

Comment #13

four4me — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:10:47 GMT

Thanks Konane that link was what I was looking for.Sorry for the misunderstanding Todd. When I saw the Delaware logo with that post I assumed it was from their site. Not realizing that, I wondered were you found the article. So I surfed Delaware site. I realized rather quickly that it wasn't something they would post. I didn't have time to do and Internet search for the article. I had several errands to run. Konane has posted what I was asking for. If I were to forward it I would like to send th... [ More ]

Comment #12

CASH Only — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:09:16 GMT

I would approve of a ban on computerized draws...although it would endanger keno.

Comment #11

MADDOG10 — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:13:34 GMT

well, it's about time somebody woke up and smelled the coffee..

Comment #10

Todd — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:22:30 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on January 20, 2005Todd I wouldn't mind doing that however I would like the source of the information in that article. I have checked the Delaware lottery's website and did not find it on their site. Can you post a link as to the source or PM it to me.Of course the Delaware Lottery web site would not show this information - they are against it!! (See the sentence at the end by the DE lottery director.

Comment #9

konane — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:27:52 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on January 20, 2005Todd I wouldn't mind doing that however I would like the source of the information in that article. I have checked the Delaware lottery's website and did not find it on their site. Can you post a link as to the source or PM it to me.http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2005/01/20billwouldbancom.html

Comment #8

four4me — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:22:12 GMT

Todd I wouldn't mind doing that however I would like the source of the information in that article. I have checked the Delaware lottery's website and did not find it on their site. Can you post a link as to the source or PM it to me.

Comment #7

Todd — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:15:34 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by konane on January 20, 2005Just copied that article along with a copy-and-past link to Lottery Post Petiton, sent it out in email to all my friends again asking them to please sign, please forward. If everyone here does the same our voices will be heard loud and clear. Konane,That's an excellent idea! I'd also recommend sending that to your state and federal representatives as well.

Comment #6

Rick G — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:54:35 GMT

Good idea Konane. Time to go on the offense with zeal....I've bought a lot of drinks for my buddies after a win and I will tap them to support this issue.

Comment #5

konane — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:34:51 GMT

Just copied that article along with a copy-and-past link to Lottery Post Petiton, sent it out in email to all my friends again asking them to please sign, please forward. If everyone here does the same our voices will be heard loud and clear.

Comment #4

Rick G — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:22:45 GMT

Yes Todd....a big thank you from all of us who like watching the bouncing ping pong balls

Comment #3

undress — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:19:14 GMT

Thank You Todd

Comment #2

Todd — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:18 GMT

This can be used in any state: contact your representatives, and let them know that other legislators in other states feel the same way.Lottery games are nothing but money to a state, and if that money is threatened the will act. Let them know that players don't like computerized drawings, and will play less if they don't bring back mechanical draw machines.I love the fact that one of the sponsors of the Delaware bill is the House Majority Leader.

Comment #1

Rick G — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:14:40 GMT

As Homer Simpson would say, Woo-Hoo PLEASE sign the petition and contact your state lottery regarding this crucial issue. All you have to tell them in your e-mail is that you will discontinue playing the game if they decide to take this approach. Money (revenue) talks. I'm glad to see that at least one state recognizes the loss of revenue resulting from secret computer draws held in closets with state programmed computers.

Landmark bill would ban computerized lottery drawings in Delaware

Lottery Post — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:14 GMT

LANDMARK: Could we be seeing the beginning of the end of computerized lottery drawings?Lottery Post sincerely hopes so, and hopefully we have had a part to play in the genesis of this important bill. We encourage all of our readers to support this bill, and identify it throughout the United States as a model for every state to follow.A bipartisan duo of lawmakers said Wednesday they intend to push a bill to require the Delaware state lottery to abandon a computer that picks winning lottery numb... [ More ]