N.C. Religious Leaders Stage Anti-Lottery Rally

Comment #64

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:26:37 GMT

so i'm not sinning after all.....

Comment #63

Pick-4_Master — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:50:29 GMT

Yes Casting Of Lots is where the word Lottery came from (Lots) so in a way the Bible was the basis or start of our modern day Lotteries.

Comment #62

Todd — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:52:04 GMT

I'm attacking you? Well, at least you're ending the discussion with a bit of humor! Good luck to you.

Comment #61

Pick-4_Master — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:46:49 GMT

No I don't need anyones approval or rely on what others think because if I did I would agree with you I was just making a point as always and I don't want you too agree with me, That is all from me I'll be leaving now.(I only respond when you ATTACK me

Comment #60

Todd — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:41:25 GMT

Pick4,YOU are taking this too seriously, and you keep perpetuating this by continuing to respond over and over and over.I got your point, I understand that you are opposed to the religious leaders in North Carolina, EVERYONE understands your point, now please just give it a rest. I will never agree with your views and treatment of religious leaders, no matter how much text you cram into one message.And I don't check with Visiondude to see if I'm on solid footing, I am confident in my own opinio... [ More ]

Comment #59

Pick-4_Master — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:36:18 GMT

Todd why do you insist on saying that I'm attacking or bashing them? have I said anything like Rot in Hell , Burn at the stake or anything describing bodily harm or death? or even that what they believe is wrong?no I haven't your taking this way too serious I could understand if I was saying things that were OBVIOUSLY hateful and negative I was just making statements in regards to comments made about the Subject discussion.And if I had TRUE disrespect and resentment believe me you would have... [ More ]

Comment #58

Todd — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:29:07 GMT

No, I'm not following any religious leaders - are you not reading what I'm writing?? (I can answer that myself.) I do not agree with them, in fact I think they're dead wrong! Somehow, though, I can hold that opinion without the vile comments about these people [the religious leaders] who happen to have a different opinion from me. You two seem determined to attack the people themselves, stead of the views that they take. Emily is right, this is a free country, and you are free to do that.... [ More ]

Comment #57

MillionsWanted — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:52:18 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 19, 2005 The Future is NOW and I still don't see any errors on my part!!!!!Me neither. What's wrong with people these days?Following their religious leaders like sheep with no brains.

Comment #56

Pick-4_Master — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:35:35 GMT

The Future is NOW and I still don't see any errors on my part

Comment #55

emilyg — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:10:30 GMT

different view points - we're all entitled to have them. free country .

Comment #54

Todd — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:46:05 GMT

Pick4: You're right, I think that should be it, because I really don't like your religion-bashing. It's not frustration on my part, it's disgust at anyone who bash a religious person. MillionsWanted, your statement is even worse, and doesn't even dignify a response.I hope both of you see the error of your ways in the future.

Comment #53

visiondude — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:24:10 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 18, 2005 because your starting too sound like VisionDude .since when is that so bad? VDQPLS ...SDIWBETIRDKG0LP

Comment #52

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:58:27 GMT

Once again I was not stating who was a minority or a majority so please don't insist that I was I could care less if they are or not.And too clear things up for you I was just making a point by distinquishing betweenReligious and Non-Religious persons I use the term Regular because Regular people don't like there lives being controlled while Religious people don't seem to mind being controlled by there beliefs. MillionsWanted strikes me as a Regular person but my definition of one not yours i... [ More ]

Comment #51

MillionsWanted — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:58:41 GMT

One thing is clear. Religious self appointed wise asses thinking they got the right to control the life of others and the society got to be stopped and put down.

Comment #50

Todd — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:34:54 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 18, 2005I wasn't saying that Religious people were a minority or anything I was just stating that GOD does not Favor Religious people over Regular people.First, there you go again with the regular people comment. Religious people ARE the regular people. The anti-religious people are the minority. Hopefully we won't have to keep covering this ground.Second, how the heck do you know that? As far as I know, you don't have a telephone connecti... [ More ]

Comment #49

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:25:12 GMT

I wasn't saying that Religious people were a minority or anything I was just stating that GOD does not Favor Religious people over Regular people.And what I mean by Regular people are those that do things based on desire not religious beliefs or convictions.There are many people that Love and Believe in GOD that aren't religious they consider themselves spiritual,Religious people follow Religions Rules and Biblical Laws while Spiritual people follow Free Will and believe in Spiritual Freedom as... [ More ]

Comment #48

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:14:12 GMT

Well jim695 I'm glad someone in here is listening to me about Sin and Gambling but I must comment on your statement about GREED it doesn't motivate ALL gamblers maybe a good number of them but not all.Me and a group of my friends enjoy playing Lottery games.Not because of GREED but because of the CHALLENGE and EXCITEMENT of winning, the MONEY is a given so there's no need to be GREEDY about it.Besides being greedy to me means not wanting to share when you have plenty to go around and just want... [ More ]

Comment #47

jim695 — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:46:08 GMT

Well, first let's consider why North Carolina politicians support a lottery for their state. Aside from the keep up with the Joneses mentality which seems to permeate state legislatures recently, we must also consider the additional revenue stream provided to any state by its lottery. We must consider it because, prior to 1964, when New Hampshire began the state lottery parade, all states were apparently flat broke. Thank God for the lottery, which temporarily fills the gaps and gives lawmaker... [ More ]

Comment #46

Todd — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:35:34 GMT

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You are free to believe that. I do find it interesting that you think religious people are not regular people. However, statistics disagree with you: religious people are the regular people, and non-religious people are the minority.

Comment #45

Pick-4_Master — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:17:15 GMT

Oh Well, you win some you lose some besides GOD doesn't FAVORRELIGIOUS people over REGULAR people Good or Bad.

Comment #44

CASH Only — Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:46:09 GMT

The religious right may be losing this battle.

Comment #43

rwhite — Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:34:37 GMT

i think we need a lottery,to fund our schools,roadsand our vets.

Comment #42

Gentlespirit — Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:14:38 GMT

A M E N...Jason

Comment #41

ncoh — Sun, 17 Apr 2005 00:51:34 GMT

I strongly agree with a state lottery in north carolina, I feel that it would help our poor state gain the money to help in education and many other issues. In the matter of gambling: people go to virgina and spend their money just the same, what is the difference? I see none! North Carolina needs to get current with the times and become a progressive state. Jason

Comment #40

Pick-4_Master — Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:37:48 GMT

They imply that our wicked ways will give us a ticket straight too hell I never said they WISHED such things upon us.They just let us know that if you don't do the RIGHT things in life then that's where we are suppose too go.And you have the ones who sometimes get carried away with the Hell Fire and Damnation talk

Comment #39

Todd — Sat, 16 Apr 2005 03:48:29 GMT

I have rarely heard religious leaders wishing non-believers to go to hell. They normally to try save such people rather than hope they go to hell.

Comment #38

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:56:07 GMT

I really do believe in the Afterlife and I don't think that GOD gives passes to Bash Religious leaders,we don't need his permission to do that and it must be said that some Religious leaders have a tendancy to Bash non-believers or so called Immoral people so too be fair about this both sides are guilty of doing this from time to time.

Comment #37

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 21:07:24 GMT

Good one.

Comment #36

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:58:52 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 15, 2005 Don't worry byroan , I am rolling my eyes back at you every time I see you have posted a new message.Yes, I do know more about it than you. I have been in communications with multiple legislators over this issue for years. You, on the other hand, have 9 posts to your name here, with no kind of indication of your affiliation or knowledge, and your only claim to fame so far is that you enjoy taking cheap shots at the expense of your local religio... [ More ]

Comment #35

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:47:41 GMT

Don't worry byroan , I am rolling my eyes back at you every time I see you have posted a new message.Yes, I do know more about it than you. I have been in communications with multiple legislators over this issue for years. You, on the other hand, have 9 posts to your name here, with no kind of indication of your affiliation or knowledge, and your only claim to fame so far is that you enjoy taking cheap shots at the expense of your local religious leaders. A record to be proud of, to be sure.... [ More ]

Comment #34

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:35:43 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 15, 2005 I also disagree with you, in that I believe I know more about the situation than that other person. I do not claim to be on equal footing with them.I disagree with you, you don't know more than me about the lottery in NC and that's a fact. Just because you're an administrator on this website doesn't mean you know everything. One day you'll realize this.

Comment #33

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:33:53 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 15, 2005 Yes I do.

Comment #32

MADDOG10 — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:23:31 GMT

I lived in N.C., a good many years and realize how strong the opposistion is from the clergy. but, just because they oppose a lottery does'nt mean i, or anyone for that matter has the right to publicly destroy thier beliefs and dictate, where they should go . just because thier beliefs are different than others, does'nt give ANYONE the right to destroy the clergy personally. Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion and just because thier opinion is different than others, does'nt mean they s... [ More ]

Comment #31

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:12:22 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 15, 2005How about you BOTH know what's going on EQUALLY but just have different OPINIONS about it because based on your knowledge or research you came to different conclusions?Well, I'm not saying that I have a different opinion. I actually agree that the religious leaders are wrong.Where I disagree is when anyone bashes religious leaders themselves for strongly advocating their positions. Apparently, people who do this either do not belie... [ More ]

Comment #30

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:58:36 GMT

Hopefully NC will get too do the same

Comment #29

JAP69 — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:56:28 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by fxdwg on April 15, 2005 The Plain fact remains like it or not there are some who do oppose the lottery. I think NC has a tough road to go if the even get a lottery. I was amazed that SC got one so anything is possible. But if they (NC) do not get one it will not mean the end of the world.South Carolina got their lottery because it was put on the ballott for everyone to have a chance to vote their opinion.The voters voted and the lottery was set in place.

Comment #28

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:52:34 GMT

How about you BOTH know what's going on EQUALLY but just have different OPINIONS about it because based on your knowledge or research you came to different conclusions

Comment #27

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:38:12 GMT

Yes I do.

Comment #26

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:31:09 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 15, 2005 I do say so, because it's true.You might know more then most people, but you don't know more about it then me.

Comment #25

fxdwg — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:22:03 GMT

The Plain fact remains like it or not there are some who do oppose the lottery. I think NC has a tough road to go if the even get a lottery. I was amazed that SC got one so anything is possible. But if they (NC) do not get one it will not mean the end of the world.

Comment #24

CASH Only — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:35:00 GMT

I respect everybody's opinion.

Comment #23

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:03:28 GMT

I do say so, because it's true.

Comment #22

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:58:05 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 14, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 14, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 13, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 13, 2005 These religious leaders need to burn in h3ll.That is a terrible thing to say. I couldn't disagree with you stronger. That is way over-the-top, and not a good way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.You don't live here in NC and see what's going on. Thank you.I know more about this... [ More ]

Comment #21

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:49:28 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 14, 2005And that's why I have no more too say on the matter besides there are members in here that seem too share my opinion so I'm not alone.Anyway Sorry for mushing everything together just read it in sections if you think something was overlooked I've been out of school for 20 yrs so paragraph writing isn't something I do on a regular basis.Just press the Enter key every so often to break up your thoughts, and so that it's easier to read.... [ More ]

Comment #20

Todd — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 03:42:46 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 14, 2005Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 13, 2005Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 13, 2005 These religious leaders need to burn in h3ll.That is a terrible thing to say. I couldn't disagree with you stronger. That is way over-the-top, and not a good way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.You don't live here in NC and see what's going on. Thank you.I know more about this than most people who live in NC.

Comment #19

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:11:19 GMT

And that's why I have no more too say on the matter besides there are members in here that seem too share my opinion so I'm not alone.Anyway Sorry for mushing everything together just read it in sections if you think something was overlooked I've been out of school for 20 yrs so paragraph writing isn't something I do on a regular basis.

Comment #18

byroan — Fri, 15 Apr 2005 02:03:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 13, 2005 Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 13, 2005 These religious leaders need to burn in h3ll.That is a terrible thing to say. I couldn't disagree with you stronger. That is way over-the-top, and not a good way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.You don't live here in NC and see what's going on. Thank you.

Comment #17

Gentlespirit — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:32:19 GMT

As far as I'm concerned, gambling comes under the same umbrella as alcohol and cigarettes. Why aren't those religious zealots out there banning those items from the state too!!!! Why are they so hell-bent on lottery?????Frankly, they are so blinded by religion that they really fail to see what's really happening! NC already have a lottery!!!! They've had an underground lottery ever since I've been in diapers, and I'm waaaay over 50.So, while religious legislative zealots are still running aroun... [ More ]

Comment #16

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:57:49 GMT

i'd love to see a lottery in mississippi but they'd have the same problems NC is having,plus mississippi has casinos so between the church and the casino blocking it i'd say it would be a long long time before they get one if they do...

Comment #15

Todd — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:50:34 GMT

Pick4:Everything you said is your opinion. I disagree with most of it. Also, you should consider making paragraphs when you write, because I am finding it very difficult to read everything you write when it is all mushed together, and I end up skipping large sections of it as a result. (Just some constructive criticism.

Comment #14

golotto — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:44:52 GMT

Maybe i missed it while reading the article, but i didn't see any mention by the Church leaders that Bingo is wrong. They never said that Bingo should not be used by churches as a method of fund raising. I know of several churches that host Bingo as a means of raising money. They also support Raffles and even erect tents and sometimes serve Beer during their various religious festivals. Am i missing something or could some Churches be competing for that same dollar that might go for an occasiona... [ More ]

Comment #13

CARBOB — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:53:46 GMT

I ,too have no ill feelings about people standing up for what they think is right. But when religious leaders start preaching, their way is the only way , without anything but quotes from the bible. I get turned off real fast. You can rest assured they don't have any ideas about raising money for education or anything else. They believe they know what's right for everyone. It took years and years before the people in N.C woke up and passed the liquor laws. I was born and raised in N.C across th... [ More ]

Comment #12

Pick-4_Master — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:51:09 GMT

I must correct you on the issue of Gambling being a Sin my Father is AEXTREME Bible reader and VERY religious person I challenged him to show me where it states that gambling is a SIN in the Bible, what he showed me was a scripture that COULD BE INTERPRETED as such it did not CLEARLY state that GAMBLING is a SIN the way Adultry is stated.Basically it made general statements as how you should trust GOD for your Financial well being or to obtain it through hard work but it never said that GOD lo... [ More ]

Comment #11

Todd — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:53:49 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on April 14, 2005These Religious Groups seem to think that GOD has appointed them as the saviours for the residents of NC from SIN,if they would CLEARLY read there Bible NO WHERE does it state in the 10 commandments that GAMBLING is a SIN and that's because IT'S NOT and why are they so concerned with GAMBLING when there are many other things that people do in that state that can be REALLY HARMFUL to others or themselves.They are always taking up a ca... [ More ]

Comment #10

Pick-4_Master — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:44:12 GMT

These Religious Groups seem to think that GOD has appointed them as the saviours for the residents of NC from SIN,if they would CLEARLY read there Bible NO WHERE does it state in the 10 commandments that GAMBLING is a SIN and that's because IT'S NOT and why are they so concerned with GAMBLING when there are many other things that people do in that state that can be REALLY HARMFUL to others or themselves.They are always taking up a cause against something that's usually POINTLESS compared to... [ More ]

Comment #9

TNPATL — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:42:41 GMT

Quote: Somebody may even lose their home because some daddy's going to put a lot of money in the lottery thinking, 'This is my ticket out,' Lewis said. A person could do this making bad investments, going to Vegas and gambling. A person who loses their house because they played the lottery had way more issues

Comment #8

TNPATL — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:41:05 GMT

This is simply rediculous. Just because a Lottery comes into your state does NOT mean you have to play. If you don't agree with it, don't play it!!!! That does not mean others who do should not have the opportunity to do so. They are taking things to the extremes.

Comment #7

Todd — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:37:44 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by MillionsWanted on April 14, 2005Raising taxes will never be popular so sooner or later they will get their lottery.Money has always been important to the conservaties.Does that mean that money is not important to the liberals? I think money is important to everyone in government, regardless of their idealogical leanings.

Comment #6

MillionsWanted — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:34:47 GMT

Raising taxes will never be popular so sooner or later they will get their lottery.Money has always been important to the conservaties.

Comment #5

doubledee32 — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:25:32 GMT

ITS NOT A SIN WHEN YOU WIN

Comment #4

JimmySand9 — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:05:12 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on April 13, 2005 That is a terrible thing to say. I couldn't disagree with you stronger. That is way over-the-top, and not a good way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.I may not like fundementalists either. But just because I disagree with them doesn't mean I think they should suffer eternity in the fiery underworld.

Comment #3

Todd — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:43:39 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by byroan on April 13, 2005These religious leaders need to burn in h3ll.That is a terrible thing to say. I couldn't disagree with you stronger. That is way over-the-top, and not a good way to deal with someone who disagrees with you.

Comment #2

byroan — Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:32:03 GMT

These religious leaders need to burn in h3ll.

Comment #1

JimmySand9 — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:20:41 GMT

They must be stopped.

N.C. Religious Leaders Stage Anti-Lottery Rally

Lottery Post — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:00:00 GMT

On the same day state Senate leaders appointed a special committee to review the lottery bill recently passed by the House, religious leaders rallied outside the Legislative Building to convince lawmakers to reject a lottery. Desperate means are an easy way out, and I think the lottery is a desperate means for making finances for America, said Teresa McAllister, an elder with a Fayetteville church. The issue is so important to me because family is so important to me, McAllister said. We're tr... [ More ]