Arizona man proposes lottery to increase voter turnout

Comment #18

tg636 — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:48 GMT

As long as God could overlook the 34,000+ Iraqi civilian deaths, the 2,353+ U.S. military deaths, the far higher numbers of grievously injured and damaged on both sides, the long term poison effects of depleted uranium and white phosphorous on both Iraqis and U.S. soldiers, the replacement of Saddam's torture by U.S. military torture at Abu Gharaib and other places, and all the many lies told by Bush and his cronies to con the American public, I'm sure God will be much less offended. That must... [ More ]

Comment #17

Todd — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:55:36 GMT

justxploring,

You sound defensive. Where did I acuse you of being anti-American? It's really not my fault if that's the way you feel. Frankly, if I took an opposing view to my country's main mission (defeating terrorism around the world), I guess I would feel the same way. But I support our mission, so I don't feel that way.

Sorry, but I think God would be far more offended at Saddam Hussein, torturing children in front of their parents, rape rooms, summary executions, mass exterminati... [ More ]

Comment #16

justxploring — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:48:05 GMT

Todd writes: Sorry that God offends you,

This is exactly what I mean. Where did I say that? What I find offensive is when people who do not share the same beliefs are accused of being anti-God and anti-American. We were once a country that supported free speech and fresh ideas. There are many soldiers serving our country who do not support the war. I personally spoke to a few of them when employed at a certain job. Are they unAmerican? I'm sure you've heard of soldiers like Al Lorentz wh... [ More ]

Comment #15

tg636 — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:13 GMT

I never mentioned Bush in my original posting, which was just about improving voting, but the moderator here did in his response, so I guess we are free to talk about him.

Here is one more thing to think about in regard to the president. From www.tbrnews.org .

> There is a time bomb ticking away that will do little to assist Bush in regaining political heaven and that is the treatment of the dead GIs. It seems that the faulty electrical power at the Baghdad morgue means that many of the... [ More ]

Comment #14

konane — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:30:02 GMT

Shifting gears a bit to metaphysics, if you've ever read Kryon channelings they explain why President Bush is in office ... he is the only person who would get into the Middle East and stir things around to bring about changes in tribal behaviors which would otherwise take a thousand years in the future to change.

One channeling says that humanity was polled at a very high soul level as to what and who they wanted to bring those things about and selected President Bush .... then again not m... [ More ]

Comment #13

Todd — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:42:30 GMT

Sorry that God offends you, and sorry that you are one of those who are buying in to the liberal mentality that George Bush is stupid . Your hypocracy is interesting, as you criticisize my use of God, and then take an unfair swipe at George Bush by saying how he would call Jesus a have-not .

I used to be taken in by the hype and coolness of liberalism in the mainstream media, just like you are. The difference is that I figured out that it is all lies and personal attacks, and you have n... [ More ]

Comment #12

justxploring — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:33:56 GMT

Todd, you are the chief cook bottle washer here, and I thank you for such a wonderful website. So I'm not going to get into a political debate. The one thing I wish people would stop doing is bringing up God when talking about George Bush. We all have opinions and it is our right as Americans to voice them. However, please keep God out of political discussions. Everyone who knew Ronald Reagan says he was a very religious man who spent hours talking to God in the valley. I don't remember heari... [ More ]

Comment #11

tamutaylor — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:29:37 GMT

Didnt know this was a political forum lol

Comment #10

konane — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:27:53 GMT

tg636 Feel free to direct readers to a web site explaining more about thousands of pages of documentation. Again, atrocities and torture in and of themselves are not enough to motivate the US to invade a country.

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This serves as a beginning point. Link will take you to a PDF, but a smart person could follow the links crumb trail to find the rest which explain Saddam's INTENT to use his WMD's on the US.

Seems intent is a step or two above being a savage torturer,... [ More ]

Comment #9

Todd — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:56 GMT

That's OK, I'm used to hearing the liberal talking points, because I hear them every time I turn on the news .

I do not subscribe to the theory that liberals put forth about the USA being such a terrible country that goes around spreading violence.

In fact, there has never been a country in the history of the world which had so much power, but used so little of it. You should remember that the next time you read something about all the bad deeds that we apprently do. Because those t... [ More ]

Comment #8

tg636 — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:57:21 GMT

Saddam was a brutal vile dictator, but let's face it, the US is not against all dictators and does not invade a country just because it is ruled by a brutal vile dictator. I don't have time to respond to all of this, but here's a list of all the mini-Hitlers the US has had no trouble supporting over the years. http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/dictators.htm

That's quite a list, and it should tell you that the US has no problem with mini-Hitlers who do the bidding of the US. In fa... [ More ]

Comment #7

Todd — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:57:26 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by tg636 on April 10, 2006 Lottery tickets are fun I guess, but if they seriously want a bigger turn out, try these.

*Elections free of fraud and electronic voting machines.

*Elections where the candidates and parties represent the interests of the American people, not corporations, the military, multi millionaires, Israel or Saudi Arabia.

*Elections where the two major parties won't act in collusion to toss billions of your tax dollars away in useless and vil... [ More ]

Comment #6

tg636 — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:03:27 GMT

Lottery tickets are fun I guess, but if they seriously want a bigger turn out, try these.

*Elections free of fraud and electronic voting machines.

*Elections where the candidates and parties represent the interests of the American people, not corporations, the military, multi millionaires, Israel or Saudi Arabia.

*Elections where the two major parties won't act in collusion to toss billions of your tax dollars away in useless and vile foreign wars. Unless there are people who enjoy b... [ More ]

Comment #5

Todd — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:58:41 GMT

I personally don't think everyone should vote. I think the only people who should vote are the ones who have taken the proper time to understand the issues and care about them enough to go to the polls. I don't want a group of know-nothing lame-o's deciding who is going to run the government.

Comment #4

petergrfn — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:55:57 GMT

I think this is a BAD idea. I like playing the lottery, but I play for recreation. Voting is serious a civic duty. Voting is your voice in the government. If you were to add the sweepstakes like atmosphere of a million dollar prize, it would cause people to think of voting as some sweepstake and not a serious vote on issues or political ideas. People should vote because they feel the government should represent certain ideals. Adding this is a mistake because voter apathy is already bad en... [ More ]

Comment #3

CASH Only — Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:23:23 GMT

Maybe it would be not considered a lottery if people did not have to put up money. Many sweepstakes say no purchase necessary .

Comment #2

RJOh — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:17:21 GMT

Sounds like a great idea if only the people who vote has to contribute to the prize pool. Forcing non-voters to support the prize pool with their taxes would be a taxation without representation.

Comment #1

CASH Only — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:05:44 GMT

Would the $1 million be lump sum, annuity-only, or with a cash option?

You only need to be 18 to vote. AFAIK all forms of gambling in AZ require the participant to be 21.

Arizona man proposes lottery to increase voter turnout

Lottery Post — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:03:54 GMT

Cast a vote, win a million.

If an Arizona man has his way, every person who votes in his state will automatically have his or her name entered in a in draw to win $1 million. Mark Osterloh, an Arizona physician and attorney, is proposing a state law that would act as an incentive to increase voter turnout.

The long-time advocate of electoral policy reform says the idea is a variation on a highly successful law in Australia, under which citizens who fail to vote are fined.

Such a penal... [ More ]