Tenn. Lottery players complaining over switch from numbered balls

Comment #50

KyMystikal — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:36:11 GMT

On second thought F+ is fine. I forgot they have Powerball which is drawn by real balls and there is no state tax on lottery wins.

Comment #49

KyMystikal — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:33:29 GMT

Wow F+, I would give them a F-.

Comment #48

Jani Norman — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:59:20 GMT

I am here visiting have been here since the 27th of July, now when you go and purchase the quick picks from them they do give you a double quick pick and that's all they give you the double number never appears in a drawing....

Comment #47

paurths — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 15:51:36 GMT

Pretty strange is that the doubles in Pick4 went invisible on 07/27/2007

(TN eve had 1552 on 07/26 and TN midday had 9311 on 07/26, then they vanished)

TN eve Pick3 had its last double on 07/25, with 929

To much of a coincidence to me...

Comment #46

WIN D — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:03:58 GMT

Very Good ! These figures noahproblem worked out speak louder than words. This is the post that should be sent to the Tenn. Newspapers.... or at least the newspapers that don't have the STATE as a customer.

Perhaps an out of state Newspaper would be more , understanding shall we say. It's our duty as folks who know better to follow through for those that are un-aware.

The State has an obligation of not only being honest..... but being perceived as honest by the peo... [ More ]

Comment #45

Todd — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:25:40 GMT

They're lucky to get an F.

Comment #44

DoubleDown — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:15:23 GMT

Todd, Thanks for changing Tennessee's report card to an F .

Do you have an F+ category

Comment #43

four4me — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:37:40 GMT

well what do you know Tennessee finally drew a double digit in pick 4 after nearly 40 draws without one.

CASH 48/20/2007Evening6691$19,600.00

pick 3 still remains doubless

Comment #42

four4me — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:20:57 GMT

i totally agree something is definitely wrong. i used your quick pick generator and asked it just to pick 1 ticket then another and another just to see how many times i might get a double and they were back to back and about every other out of 10 tries i got 5 doubles.

here's what might be happening in Tennessee they say they have tested the RNG software program and it is working fine. Without actually knowing what hey have done. They might have asked it to run a group of numbers or they m... [ More ]

Comment #41

Todd — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:10:06 GMT

This is an incredible sequence of numbers! For both the Pick 3 and Pick 4 to have no doubles for this length of time is impossible, if you look at the odds. I completely agree that something very wrong is happening here.

Tennessee lottery players, you have my sympathies. Your lottery appears to be screwed up.

Tennessee Lottery: What a bright decision to look a gift horse in the mouth, and to throw away real drawings for this nonsense.

Those who want to try this out at home: Go t... [ More ]

Comment #40

Stack47 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:52:14 GMT

The lottery (Tennessee Lottery) claims computerized drawings are exciting , although player polls suggest that any excitement from lottery drawings comes as the result of seeing real lottery balls being mixed in a spinning drum and drawn one at a time both of which are missing from computerized drawings.

Because of the Ohio Lottery, state representatives and state senators had an additional $646 million to put into the state's educational fund in 2006. I seriously doubt they would risk l... [ More ]

Comment #39

four4me — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:38:57 GMT

Rebecca Paul has been a lottery director for 2 states she should know whether the drawings software is corrupted or not she knows what the statistics show for lottery drawings and should well know that numbers however random contain doubles 33% of the time since doubles are 33% of the pool of numbers.

Comment #38

computerhead723 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:22:39 GMT

Tenns. players may have a big fight on their hands since all lotteries are Big Busn.. :

even if 50% of regular lottery players stopped playing and only 100 people played a dollar at each lottery terminal accross the state..... and the lottery paid out a meir $$100,000 per draw but grossed $$-12million per day profit ..... thats still worth it to run a busn ;

Computers are servents of people and PRO... [ More ]

Comment #37

four4me — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:12:05 GMT

Jimmy no state in the USA has had nearly a weeks worth of numbers that didn't contain a double let alone a month's worth. Tennessee lottery software for pick 3-4 is corrupted or has a program error.

Drawing DatePick 3Pick 4

MiddayEveningMiddayEvening

Sun, Aug 19, 20078-1-39-0-5-6

Sat, Aug 18, 20076-0-24-3-63-4-9-22-8-7-3

Fri, Aug 17, 20073-7-55-1-29-5-8-74-2-5-6

Thu, Aug 16, 20079-1-21-7-52-1-8-01-2-9-5

Wed, Aug 15, 20070-1-72-9-43-2-1-69-2-4-6

Tue, Aug 14, 20078... [ More ]

Comment #36

four4me — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:08:11 GMT

Well Tenn lotto still continues to state that drawing from other states have no bearing on drawings from Tennessee. Regardless of number histories of other states. They continue to state that the software is working properly. And that double numbers have show in random tests conducted by them. Regardless i stated well there not showing in actual drawings and that what counts. I can see pure numbers being draw a few days in a row but it's been almost a month and still no double numbers.

I can... [ More ]

Comment #35

JimmySand9 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:07:30 GMT

Sorry, this won't hold up in court. No judge, lottery director, representative, senator, or governor cares about whether or not doubles have been drawn. The only people who care are people like you, the ones who track this stuff and try to predict numbers. The kind of people, like I have said, the lottery doesn't want playing. They don't want people who are looking for an edge, because someday, they just might find it, if they haven't already.

In layman's terms : you're gonna need a better a... [ More ]

Comment #34

Stack47 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:46:02 GMT

I'm not from Tennessee either, but I'm sending the results of this exciting new way to draw to my state's lottery commission so they can see how quickly they could lose their credibility and invite charges of fraud, founded or not by switching to a RNG drawing. Copies will be sent to my state representative and senator too.

Comment #33

four4me — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:34:22 GMT

I'm not even from Tennessee and I'm flipping mad. They haven't drawn a double number since they started using the RNG system in either pick 3 or 4 games.

They are ripping off the people of Tennessee every day i have sent several emails to them explaining about rng systems and i keep getting replies that they are aware of it but that they have checked the rng system and it's working fine. It's like they refuse to believe that it's impossible for them to be wrong.

They insist that their equ... [ More ]

Comment #32

ToadSchmode — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:32:36 GMT

Sorry must have read it wrong! I was only trying to alert Tenn players what was happening so they don't waste they're time and money. I really don't believe they read the post's here and then go tweak the computer. But i do believe that RNG draws are set up for max profit with min payout. And with the total BS going on with Tenn draws right now shows that a RNG system can be flawed or fixed. I don't think there's ever been, in any state, this many draws in a pick 3 4 without a double digit.... [ More ]

Comment #31

noahproblem — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:29:18 GMT

We have had some other inquiries about the lack of double digit winning numbers, so we had our security staff run several random test draws, and double digits were drawn.

KyMystikal, tell them (politely, of course) to put this in their pipe and smoke it - as of this afternoon (8/16) there have been 36 consecutive computerized pick 4 drawings with no multiple digits (38 total counting the last 2 ball draws on 7/27). According to my calculations the odds on this happening are approx. 51 1/2

Comment #30

tnlotto1 — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:20:13 GMT

the state raised the gpa required to get the lottery scholarship because they were giving away so much money because so many people qualified at first. i dont know where the extra money they saved when they raised the gpa's goes now but im sure rebecca paul will never tell us players

Comment #29

Just6ntlc — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:25:19 GMT

I just don't like games being computerized.

Comment #28

BaristaExpress — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:19:22 GMT

The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

There you have it in a nut shell! Less winners, less to payout, More for the State!

Looks like the Almighty buck wins hands down! But really think about it, does the money really go to the Education Fund or is it being diverted to some other program or someones pocket? Most states cover education through property taxes and a few other taxes, but ha... [ More ]

Comment #27

Stack47 — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:33:17 GMT

The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings.

The best way of insuring integrity is to have a live draw the players can see. They are asking the players to rely on the integrity of an unknown computer programmer.

The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

It's not the integrity of the games that is i... [ More ]

Comment #26

KyMystikal — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:28:16 GMT

Here is the TN lottery's response to my email.

Thank you for playing the Tennessee Lottery and for your comments.

The security and integrity of our games is of utmost importance and this greatly impacted our decision to go to these type drawings. The Tennessee Lottery goes to extreme measures to protect the integrity of its games in order to maximize dollars for education in the state.

For any one drawing, each of the available combinations of numbers has the same likelihood of bein... [ More ]

Comment #25

BaristaExpress — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:42:32 GMT

Hey people, wake-up and smell the MONEY! Yes, I said Money! The states that have RNG drawings are able to keep more of the money from all the suckers that play their RNG games! Yes, I said suckers. Face it people, if you have less winners in the state run RNG games, the state KEEPS more of the money bet in those games! RNG lottery machines were invented for the sole purpose of generating more revenue for the state run lotteries!

If at all possible those of you who used to play the pick3 and

Comment #24

Stack47 — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:39:29 GMT

it is highly unlikely that no double would fall in any draw in 18 days.

Aw so that's what they meant about an exciting new way to draw . Has anybody in Tennessee wrote a letter to the editor of a newspaper explaining the integrity of the draws might be questioned because player can't see the live mechanics of their draw?

After 18 draws without a double, a follow-up I told you so letter to the editor could have been written. And when the doubles start showing a I rest my case letter c... [ More ]

Comment #23

tnlotto1 — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:56:14 GMT

i wasnt blaming your post for anyone losing the lottery toadschmode i was agreeing with you that rng is not random and i thought they would show how fixed it is by having some doubles suddenly drop out of nowhere but i guess they still havent fallen. if you go back over my other posts from the past you will see im against rng and i never wanted tennessee to get it.

Comment #22

onenumber — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:36:06 GMT

If you click on RESULTS -- then State Lottery Report Card you will see the states with computerized drawings.

Comment #21

bond10 — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:20:31 GMT

What other states have computerized drawings.

Comment #20

KyMystikal — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:05:44 GMT

By the way, here is a copy of the email I sent them. I hope I get a reply since I never got a reply back when they first announced that they were changing the lottery format. If I get a reply I will post it.

I would like to know if there is a problem with the computer that draws the lottery numbers? Every since you(Tennessee Lottery) have switched the way the numbers are chosen there hasn't been a double digit come out in ANY draw. I know that the drawings are supposed to be random... [ More ]

Comment #19

KyMystikal — Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:52:30 GMT

doesn't look like they read the posts here. I have sent them a email asking if they were having a computer problem and if that was the reason no double has fell in any draw since they went to RNG.

Comment #18

ToadSchmode — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 06:21:48 GMT

when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up if you really believe what you said, that alone should be enough to tell you and your someone else, it's not random, and is, human controlled or influenced. This just adds to the reasons not to play RNG draws. But if you or your someone else must play, don't try to push blame on a post as to why you lose. Your playing a stacked game.

Comment #17

tnlotto1 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:39:15 GMT

actually someone else told me that and they were trying to win it before the lottery realized it and changed it so doubles will start showing up. when they read your post they will find a way to get the computer to change it up and toss in some doubles so no one will have a chance to predict it and win.

Comment #16

ToadSchmode — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:00:42 GMT

Since Tenn went RNG (2 weeks ago) there has been NO DOUBLES drawn in any of the Pick 3 or pick 4 draws. This is random???? It's very rare for a pick 4 game to go even 5 days without a double in it. Wonder how long it'll take'em to realize it

Comment #15

Todd — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:14:26 GMT

Excellent post.

How about looking at the differences from a different angle though?

Perhaps it is the ball drawings that are more random, with natural patterns that are the beauty of randomness in nature. Perhaps it is the computer that is falsely eliminating any type of natural patterns. Or for very poor RNGs, it has a bad sequence of numbers.

That's right, low-end RNGs, which have been used at some state lotteries (that's a fact), consist of a finite number of number sequences that... [ More ]

Comment #14

spy153 — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:05:05 GMT

Comment #13

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:54:14 GMT

Bradly

I accept as a fact that there exists a big difference between ball drawn and computer picked.

I have been tracking several states which have either one or the other and I can see from my data, my patterns, that RNG is much more random than ball drawn. While my proof will not measure up to the smoking gun concept, what I see has me completely convinced a difference exists.

I am not attempting to convince anyone else, tho. What anyone chooses to believe is th... [ More ]

Comment #12

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:30:04 GMT

my girlfriend who knows nothing period about the lottery asked me if i saw the new tennessee lottery drawings on the new station they moved the draws to.i asked why and she said the drawing looked really 'fake'.now thats bad coming from someone who knows nothing about the lottery.tennessee is really screwing up.

Comment #11

DoubleDown — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:42:19 GMT

RNG = Really No Good

Comment #10

MADDOG10 — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:25:09 GMT

AMEN Tennessee, keep the presure on DO NOT buy lottery tickets. It's hitting them where it hurts the most, their pockets - not yours.

Kudos to all of you..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP BOYCOTTING.

What difference doe's it make if you videotape a computerized drawing, it can still be fixed before the taping. Don't fall for their line of crap...

Comment #9

jarasan — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:08:38 GMT

I have another acronym for RNG Really Not a Game .

Burn baby burn.

Comment #8

Uncle Jim — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:03:31 GMT

BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!

What's most amazing to me is how the Lottery's in general don't care what their players want or don't want. They hope that after the initial flood of bad opinion people will come to accept their decision to go RNG.

I think you guys and gals in Tennessee should mount a serious grass roots campaign against the RNG and adopt Rick G's slogan until they give in:

Dont' give in, don't buy!

Jim

Comment #7

Rick G — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:48:56 GMT

A-Men!

Kudos to the TN players for boycotting the drawings. The only way they'll listen is when it affects profits.

Don't give in, don't buy.

Comment #6

Todd — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:19:42 GMT

No. Traditional drawings cannot be just as easily -- or as thoroughly -- manipulated as computerized drawings can.

If you read my postings (or a dozen other peoples') on this subject over the past month you would understand.

You can't SEE what is happening in a computer. There are infinite more ways that a computer could screw up the drawing.

Let's take, for example, a drawing screw-up. Everyone has seen a YouTube or Google video of lottery balls falling all over the floor when a dra... [ More ]

Comment #5

Bradly_60 — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:17:42 GMT

I know everyone doesn't like computerized drawings...well it seems that way anyway.

But one thought, balls can just as easily be manipulated as a computer. Different weights, different sizes, doesn't anyone remember the PA story of the 80's I believe. I do think there is way to much emphasis on this non-computerized drawing kick.

Someone should do a statistical analysis on drawings that are made by computers and ones that are done with balls. I bet there won't be a difference and if t... [ More ]

Comment #4

DoubleDown — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:07:36 GMT

There's no reason to doubt these drawings or question the integrity of how we do the drawings.

She should have added : And anyone that questions us can just kiss our you know whats...

Comment #3

qutgnt — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:04:48 GMT

I love how a having a tv show and having balls is such a drag on the lotteries profits. Poor Lottery with its 50% payouts and the tax it keeps on the winnings.

Comment #2

tnlotto1 — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:55:33 GMT

word is finally getting around this state so the players can wake up and realize whats happening and ask the lottery to change back to true drawings.

Comment #1

KyMystikal — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:50:54 GMT

More people need to boycott the lottery. I also don't see what taping a computer picking the numbers is really doing???? I'm like Richard, I only play Powerball in TN because it is live and no tax in TN.

Tenn. Lottery players complaining over switch from numbered balls

Lottery Post — Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:44:55 GMT

Thanks to the Tennessee Lottery's unilateral decision to abandon traditional lottery drawings using numbered balls to pick the winning numbers on television, many players have decided to stop playing.

The Tennessee Lottery now has computers generate random numbers instead of the player-preferred televised drawings.

Lottery officials say the new system is as secure as the old one. Many players don't like the change, though.

I don't trust the computerized drawings, said Nashville reside... [ More ]