Texas Lottery to add 'Sum It Up' feature to Pick 3 game

Comment #23

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:13:10 GMT

I don't know about other states, but there are no drawings on Sundays in Tx. There are 313 drawings a year for Pick 3, Daily 4, and Cash 5.

Assuming a sum or number will hit once a year or so, I play Pick 3 that way. For example, the number 543 has hit 13 times in the evening draw, more than any other number. That figures to app 1 time a year on average since Pick 3 was started in Tx. I have started playing $1 every night on that number. If I hit once in 313 drawings, that's $313, but win $5... [ More ]

Comment #22

Stack47 — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:11:23 GMT

You can only play 0000 and 9999 straight so the payouts for the sums of 0 and 36 are the same. All the Pick-4 sum payoffs are based on the standard 5000 to 1 payout divided by the number of straight combinations in each sum.

If you played $5 every draw on 0000 (or the sum of 0), your profit would depend on how many draws you played it before it hit. Because 0000 is just one of 10,000 Pick-4 numbers and the payouts are 50% of the true odds, after 5000 draws without a hit you would have to rais... [ More ]

Comment #21

pumpi76 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:03:42 GMT

Ask Thoth how many years it's been since 023 was drawn in the Ohio Pick-3. Over 10,000 draws and it's still in hiding.

Maybe 023 (exactly) hasn't played but i am sure 320 and 230 has played already...

Comment #20

Stack47 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:01:31 GMT

My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts...

As states began creating their lotteries, they didn't raise the standard payoffs of $500 on the Pick-3 and $5000 on the Pick-4 games so I see no reason for them to give better payoffs if they add the Sum bet.

But if you were to play 5 dollars on 1 sum everyday for 365 days it will equal 1825 dollars AND YOU KNOW that the sum 36 or 0 has to appear once a y... [ More ]

Comment #19

Stack47 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:44:49 GMT

They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...

The payoffs are based on the number of combinations that add to the sum. There is only one sum of 0 and 36 so that pays $2500 for a 50 cent wager. With the sum of 18 you get more combinations so the payoffs are much lower.

Let's say you wanted play $1 straight and $1 box on 2578. They give you the option to play the Sum of 22 and you could put a $1 on that too for a total of $3 and if 3469 hits, y... [ More ]

Comment #18

pumpi76 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:48:23 GMT

But i am confident LP predictors will take good juice out of this lottery with their predictions....And in cash3 is even worse...My thing is if Texas places such game in Texas and it works, other states will follow, and 1 state is bound to give better payouts...

With the sum it up option states can compete against horseracing which i think was what was happening in texas...I bet that the TX Pick4/Pick3 lottery was losing money against horse racing tracks, if such are legal in Texas...

But

Comment #17

pumpi76 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:15:03 GMT

Now i see that there is some restriction on different sums...They should let any sum pay the same payout...I mean pick4 is hard enough already to win...I still think that the 5 dollar wager is taken too much money off of people...That's just another pre-text to raise the price of each entry in the future...I thought they were giving people a break but apparently they are not...

Also is restrictions like that placed on the lottery on which numbers they should draw more often that calls for lot... [ More ]

Comment #16

Stack47 — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:09:51 GMT

If lotteries only allowed straight number bets they would lose players. The Sum bet is just another way to bet the outcome like a box bet or a front pair bet. There is a start-up expense; programming terminals, printing new play slips, etc, but it's minimal.

We've read about system where you box 6 digits with a minimum cost of $10 (twenty 50 cent boxes) and if 1 of the boxes hit, you collect $40. A lottery could offer that same bet for 50 cents with a payout of $4 or payout $40 on a $5 bet.... [ More ]

Comment #15

pumpi76 — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:56:47 GMT

I wish the country of Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and Bolivia would put a pick3 And Pick4 like that; the state of Texas for now, for the mean time....

The Truth is Out There from movie The X-files

Comment #14

pumpi76 — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:33:54 GMT

if they give people the option of 5.00 and of 50 cents i believe they will go BROKE...And then they will not be an example for other states to immitate....: (...Well at least on Pick3....Don't think it will happen for pick4...

But they never want to listen to me...I've said that before you start a game like that, you should SIMULATE IT, EXPERIMENT with it, do similar real life situations, research it, etc....See if the game will withstand attacks, number of casualties, etc, etc, the list goes... [ More ]

Comment #13

Stack47 — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:26:47 GMT

The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at up to 2 dollars wager..

They give you the option to play up to $5.00 or you can play it for 50 cents. The front pair/back pair/outside pair option has been on most Pick-3 games since day 1 though not very many people play it. Player friendly lotteries know this but still offer that option to all their players.

I learned long ago it's none of my business if somebody bets a $1 straight on 7961 and bets $5 on th... [ More ]

Comment #12

orangeman — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:47:33 GMT

If you want to have your eyes opened about the Texas Lottery, read Dawn Nettles' article in the Texas Lottery Report about the dishonest bet the state accepts on pair sums. They accept the sum bet on pairs and don't pay up if the sucker wins. TLC doesn't mean Tender Loving Care down here in the Lone Star State. We have a saying down here: Don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining!

Orangeman

Comment #11

pumpi76 — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:21:31 GMT

But is great if they make it for cash3 and not pick4...Well i mean people will revert a little bit more towards sum it up of cash4, because the game is a little too hard to get straight, so ther will be giving people a break...I am going to try and see if i can make predictions ONLY for Cash3 if LP allows me to place the predictions for Cash3 sum it up...But is going to be a while because i need like at least like 90 days pre-history draws to beging making predictions...but i wander how much doe... [ More ]

Comment #10

pumpi76 — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:36:20 GMT

Intersting idea...Is better than nothing...

So if someone wants to make predictions on LP of Texas Cash3 Sum it up part how will they do it? Is LP ready for predictions involving the sum of the Pick3 numbers?

We have to understand that the population of Texas is much bigger than the population of Georgia..they may be able to pull it off...The good news are if it works in Texas it can work in Florida, Ca, NY..The one thing i don't like about this is the 5.00 wager, they should leave it at... [ More ]

Comment #9

Stack47 — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:08:49 GMT

We are pleased with the sales numbers for Daily 4 with Sum It Up so far, said Texas Lottery Commission Executive Director Anthony J. Sadberry. Sum It Up will also enhance Pick 3, providing a fun new way for players to win.

I was looking at the Texas Lottery website and they have the front pair, back pair, and middle pair option on their Pick-4. You can access digit and number frequencies and they give the results of test draws too. Mr. Sadberry knows how to run a player friendly lottery

Comment #8

tiggs95 — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:31:54 GMT

If they start this in Ky I'm moving to a non lotto state..Nevada and Las Vegas....

Comment #7

Tenaj — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:28:57 GMT

Any kind of tracking you do is an advantage.

Comment #6

Todd — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:26 GMT

I'm not so sure. Another way of looking at it is that it gives you a different metric to track. In fact, the Texas Lottery has a page on their site that tracks the sums over time.

Another wrinkle is that it gives you a different way to decide between picks. Do you want the combo with the higher payout, or the combo with the better chance of winning

Comment #5

Todd — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:13:05 GMT

Please do not double-post. (You posted the same e-mail in another forum.

Comment #4

RJOh — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:11:19 GMT

Obviously if you can bet on the sums of pick3 and pick4 combinations then their sums are no more predictable than the combinations themselves. Kinda confirm that systems that pick combinations based on sums have no advantage.

Comment #3

Hammer1 — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:49:28 GMT

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Comment #2

Toney725 — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:12:59 GMT

Comment #1

konane — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:06:19 GMT

Great idea, hope Georgia does that too

Texas Lottery to add 'Sum It Up' feature to Pick 3 game

Lottery Post — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:21:31 GMT

Daily 4 launch deemed 'successful'

On September 30, the Texas Lottery launched a brand new game, Daily 4 with an add-on feature called Sum It Up.

According to unaudited numbers, the game and associated add-on feature brought in more than $5.2 million during the first three weeks of sales. Of that number, approximately $1.2 million came directly from sales of Sum It Up.

The Texas Lottery is hoping to strike gold a second time, by adding the Sum It Up feature to the state's other daily n... [ More ]