Statisticians search for how to beat the lottery

Comment #79

jamella724 — Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:51:39 GMT

I think the excitement in betting in lottery is not knowing which number combination will win. As for me it gives an elated emotion when you win and you dont even expect it. If certain strategies or certain patterns will be develop and most people will learn those, its hard to imagine how many people will take part on the prize of the lottery.

Comment #78

Ronnie316 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:54:18 GMT

Comment #77

Ronnie316 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:53:58 GMT

Sounds like your on the: very favorable end of standard deviations and random chance.

Comment #76

jimmy4164 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:58:17 GMT

KY Floyd,

I agree. You're better than me when it comes to explaining these concepts with words. I may post too many numbers at times but there are some who benefit from this. Here is a supplement to your above explanation.

As the house edge increases in games of chance, without changing shape, graphs of Return On Investment (ROI) slide further and further to the left of the Break Even point. If you look back at a bar graph of ROI in a simulated Pick-3 game with a house edge of 50%, you wil... [ More ]

Comment #75

Artist77 — Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:46:05 GMT

Thanks for all the good info. I get a hot lotto ticket on occasion also. Both decades and Hot lotto seem like they'd be easier to win....so I am still trying.

Comment #74

KY Floyd — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:18:32 GMT

Any results that depart from average should be expected to be temporary.

I don't pay too much attention to what people have to say about their results using their chosen system , but I have noticed a few things. I'm pretty sure that nobody has claimed to have a positive cash flow as a result of playing the lottery. People may have a period in which they do very well, but it's preceded and followed by periods where they don't do so well. As I've already said, we should expect some people to do... [ More ]

Comment #73

d1nnl2 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:52:57 GMT

I think SergeM has a good point. To bring the odds in your favor, you will need to increase coverage (more bets). Having the $$$ does not guarantee you can can actually place your wagers on time. The syndicate pools in Mass. and elsewhere had to secure their own lottery POS to do it which made it very easy to track them.

I think like-minded LP members can organize themselves, set rules and try this out. I will be among the ones who will participate.

Comment #72

msharkey2001 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:18:47 GMT

Absolutely I use drawings skipped when determining which numbers to pick along with at least one number delta of 4 or less in every line. I play Hot Lotto and Lucky For Life (analogous to your Decades of Dollars). In both of these games the winning numbers drawn have on average 3 numbers which have been drawn within the last five drawings, so I make sure to include 3 numbers per line which have come up within the last 2 1/2 weeks.

Also in both of these games a number delta of 4 or less c... [ More ]

Comment #71

Artist77 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:36:21 GMT

Speaking of patterns, do you all consider numbers skipped, etc. to be a pattern? I was using that new tool (drawings skipped) this morning on US lotteries to pick some new numbers to consider for Decades of Dollars. (I had checked my ticket earlier and lost). I took a very loose average of the number of skips in the last 5 drawings and input the 4 skip #'s (like 1, 5, etc) and then went to check the numbers to make certain the set had not won before, and the set was the DOD number that just won.... [ More ]

Comment #70

Ronnie316 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:53:23 GMT

I'm in your corner msharkey2001, even if our improved odds are for a single draw its ok with me because it only takes one draw to win it all and be set for life. Glad to hear you nailed a B ball, its a good feeling to pick a winner.

Comment #69

msharkey2001 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:42:31 GMT

You're right Ronnie316. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part but I do believe it's possible to improve your hit ratio, even if only slightly, by paying attention to patterns and statistics.

By the way I followed the tip you gave me a few weeks back about staying with the same bonus ball from one draw to another on the bigger games and I actually got the bonus ball +1 last night in PB. Coincidence? Maybe, but it worked last night so thank you.

Comment #68

Ronnie316 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 15:25:58 GMT

Didn't you already answer that question for yourself

Comment #67

msharkey2001 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:59:47 GMT

So here's a follow up question for Jimmy or KY or anyone else that has a better grasp of statistics than I:

Do you think it's possible to have a methodology of selecting numbers that will consistently keep me in the top standard deviation for winning picks, or given enough time will my success rate go south (or north as rdgrnr would say) closer to the average odds for games I participate in

Comment #66

sully16 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:09:28 GMT

so do I

Comment #65

msharkey2001 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 12:26:43 GMT

Thanks for the replies KY and Jimmy. The examples I used in my post are my actual results from the smaller multi-state games Hot Lotto and Lucky for Life. I started tracking my win per play ratio a year ago to measure the success of my number picking methodology. While I'm still looking for an upper tier hit I've been able to win back enough money to greatly reduce my cost of playing. I would still play regardless as enjoy it and have the disposable income to do so. Of course I'll keep picking n... [ More ]

Comment #64

KY Floyd — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 04:50:51 GMT

When the lotteries tell us that sales and wins by QP's have adirect correlation I assume they're talking about all prize levels. I expect that they pay attention to such things, but don't bother publicizing the results. Giving people enough information to convince them that they don't really have an advantage is probably bad for business.

Anything that has random results produces what's known as a normal distribution, and a normal distribution isn't an equal distribution. If each number in a... [ More ]

Comment #63

jimmy4164 — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 01:00:34 GMT

...the results fall within expected standard deviations...

...and luck didn't hurt.

Comment #62

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:53:04 GMT

I miss pumpi......

Comment #61

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:47:20 GMT

I'm with you sista

Comment #60

msharkey2001 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:30:23 GMT

We all know that quick picks win jackpots in a directly proportional relationship to the overall percentage of quick picks purchased, but has there ever been a study of the success of self picks vs overall odds to win ANY prize level?

For example if someone wins any level prize at a rate of 1:10.4 for a game with 1:16.1 overall odds, or 1:5 for a game with 1:6.6 odds with a sample size of several hundred tickets per game would you then say they have a viable system, or would you say the

Comment #59

jimmy4164 — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:43:47 GMT

This is one of the best explanations of the lottery that I've heard or read in a long time.

I have nothing to add other than to ask why it is so difficult to understand, for so many.

Comment #58

SergeM — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:08:48 GMT

1000 LP-members playing get each a combination sent to.

Each player is bound to play his ticket by honour of participating.

The player winning, cashes HIS ticket.

The clue is that with a big system, someone will win bigger.

To me that sounds much better than sick picks or quick picks.

After the drawing, the winners can be published, if they agree.

The price distribution should be published.

Comment #57

SergeM — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:02:43 GMT

I mean chain, not pool!

The one who wins, keeps the money of his ticket

Comment #56

JAP69 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:56:04 GMT

A lot of problems with that.

Jackpot pools with just 4 people have enough problems. Can you imagine 1,000 in a poll.

Comment #55

SergeM — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:07:33 GMT

I had the idea, that probably several others also had, to form a chain of players.

Let's just say that 1000 LP members would agree to each buy one ticket of whatever jackpot game.

A programmer, Todd or another qualified person or maybe a team, constructs a 'winning' wheel with 1000 combinations.

The chances would be high that at least one wins a nice price once in a while.

It could work with a mailing system, where the combinations get distributed to the members who subscibe to play.... [ More ]

Comment #54

JAP69 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:04:25 GMT

Yep found a penny today. Might be my lucky day.

The avatar can be found in the lottery post selections. Think it was in lottery avatars.

Comment #53

KY Floyd — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:59:07 GMT

I'm guessing that you're not serious, but QP's are exactly like any other characteristic of lottery tickets.

The game is random, so no characteristic gives an advantage to a particular ticket, but if a characteristic is common we can expect it to appear in proportion to it's popularity. Since QP's account for 70 to 80% of tickets sold we would expect them to account for 70 to 80% of winning tickets if each one has the same chances as tickets that aren't QP. Since QP's do account for winners i... [ More ]

Comment #52

LottoBoner — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:03:39 GMT

The harder I work the luckier I get .

Comment #51

golfer1960 — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:59:29 GMT

Quick Picks seem to win a lot. What's up with that

Comment #50

mediabrat — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:40:58 GMT

Comment #49

sully16 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:50:12 GMT

LOL, This guys a legend in his own mind

Comment #48

Ronnie316 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:43:04 GMT

Comment #47

Artist77 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:37:55 GMT

rofl...lol...I'd like to hire helpmewin as a copyeditor. She does not miss anything.

I love the outdated cliches as well.... so pioneer. I bet that was a trendy and funny statement in 1890.

Comment #46

sully16 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:25:15 GMT

Wth

Comment #45

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:01:11 GMT

Comment #44

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 22:00:24 GMT

Comment #43

Ronnie316 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:50:39 GMT

Comment #42

Ronnie316 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:49:32 GMT

What they need to do is produce a few trillion lines via RNG, and start looking for them there fractal.

Comment #41

Ronnie316 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:47:34 GMT

Comment #40

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:09:38 GMT

Comment #39

mcginnin56 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:57:09 GMT

Comment #38

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:43:12 GMT

Comment #37

mcginnin56 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:45:43 GMT

He only misspelled 55 words......give the inexperienced newbie a little slack.

He probably misspelled them purposely, to see if anyone was sharp enough to pick it up.

Comment #36

TnTicketlosers — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:21:43 GMT

I was thinking the same this xaab...........Sounds like pumpi...Just little more medicated.

Comment #35

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:51:00 GMT

Comment #34

rdgrnr — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:19:15 GMT

Good work, helpmewin.

Since he was pointing out the errors of others I'm sure he'd want someone to do the same for him.

He sure has a ton of them though, doesn't he?

Maybe he was drunk when he wrote that gibberish.

Comment #33

jimmy4164 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:11:18 GMT

If Dr. Kim believes that 10 years of data in a game with 175 million possible outcomes is sufficient to draw conclusions about patterns, he doesn't deserve his degree. I suspect he has observed, as I have, that there are a lot of people who believe this and is setting himself up to cash in with a book or computer program to help people win.

This doesn't speak well for the university that employs him, and definitely embarrasses his Degree Committee, whoever they are.

--Jimmy4164

Comment #32

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:53:44 GMT

Comment #31

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:38:07 GMT

This article is the biggest crock of sh..it Ive ever come across.

First off and forgive me if I'm wrong but there is not a person on lottery post but me who has ever gotten the 6 numbers correct. But do you listen to me NO! WHY? because you have your head filled with intelletual lottery fantacys of winning the lottery! Its called greed! Some of you people on here are so wanting to win so bad that you will actually believe this garbage in this article and it makes me sick to my stomach, your m... [ More ]

Comment #30

rcbbuckeye — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:29:02 GMT

Just got my All or Nothing tic for the 12:27 draw today. AND..... my Texas 2 Step for tonight, AND my MM tic for tomorrow night, AND my PB tic for Saturday night, AND my Texas Lotto tic for Saturday night.

Where's Thrifty when we need him

Comment #29

helpmewin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:12:38 GMT

Comment #28

Ronnie316 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:45:05 GMT

I will avoid the lottery insanity, I will buy a lottery ticket today.

Comment #27

msharkey2001 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:34:31 GMT

You really should consider switching to decaf Scientistman.

Comment #26

chuck32 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:21:41 GMT

Dr. Kim, a stats professor, says that if the game is completely random, then all numbers should be drawn at approximately the same rate. I'm going to assume that the reporter screwed this up. No stat guy would say such nonsense. An equal spread of all numbers would NOT be random at all. Reporters usually glaze over when stats professors talk. Dr. Kim probably said something like given a very large sample size (much larger than ten years of Powerball), the percentage variations between same numbe... [ More ]

Comment #25

xaab — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:29:41 GMT

Are you related to pumpi

Comment #24

JAP69 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:07:33 GMT

Yep,

And there have been a few Lottery Post members who have hit pick 5 games that I have heard of using some info gained on stats.

Comment #23

JAP69 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:02:53 GMT

Comment #22

RJOh — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:33:35 GMT

A couple of years ago I read about a group of professors in England winning the UK lottery, the story wasn't clear if they used some type of logic for picking their numbers or just got lucky. It could have been both. As Mark Twain once said, The harder I work the luckier I get .

Comment #21

MADDOG10 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:19:54 GMT

It seems as though, all the Educators, Professors, and Scientists, are no better off than we here at LP. I mean they're still working and NOT living the life of

Luxury from winning a jackpot. To me, anyone can have a theory based on assumptions, but until you win the jackpot that's all that it will ever be.

All theories have possibilities, but if you combine your diligence with LUCK, you just might be the next one at the podium...

Comment #20

d1nnl2 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:54:36 GMT

Data is God.

Comment #19

Scientistman — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:00:38 GMT

O I've found a critic!

By the way it's succinctly not succintly genius

Just thought I'd let you know just in case you've been making the same spelling error for years.

Reading is for people with patience! Not for those who have better things to do.

And if you got your head out of where it doesn't belong you might just learn something by reading more rant and raves!

They can be quite interesting.

Haven't you learned that life's secrets and mysteries are hidden in the depth... [ More ]

Comment #18

Saylorgirl — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:45:05 GMT

I did too!! LOL

Comment #17

Todd — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:44:41 GMT

He's a troll, just ignore it. I posted a more detailed explanation here: https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/257453/2937871.

Comment #16

GiveFive — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:13:45 GMT

Does this guy really think someone would take the time it obviously would take to read his rant????

Hey Pal, whether or not I agree or disagree with you is immaterial. If you cant succintly get your point across, aint nobody listening..........

Comment #15

mcginnin56 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:02:08 GMT

Comment #14

Scientistman — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:23:04 GMT

Comment #13

Tenaj — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:36:55 GMT

Excerpt:

Darcy Mays believes, with a database of enough winning numbers, there is at least the possibility of seeing patterns develop. That by no means will guarantee a win, but might up the odds a little, especially in the smaller games like Pick 3 or Pick 4.

If you were dedicated, and there really was some pattern that you were finding, you could not get rich but you could probably do a good supplemental earning.

Comment #12

rdgrnr — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:31:09 GMT

Finding the winning combination is like finding your soul-mate sometimes.

I imagine some never do.

Took me a long time to find Sugarbritches.

I want to live

I want to give

I've been a miner

for a heart of gold

It's these expressions

I never give

That keep me searching

for a heart of gold

And I'm getting old

-Neil Young

But now I'm a miner for a pot of gold.

And I'm gettin' old.

Comment #11

Kola — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:21:38 GMT

Hello noise-gate,

Its seems then that this mathematician has not kept pace with physics. But before these statisticians go on chasing those higher jackpot games, they could start would the lowly Pick 3 and sit with it a good while. There is high order in it, and lessons learned can progressively be applied to the more complex games. The same order will be there with juuuust a smidgen of chaos to makes things interesting.

May Your Numbers Be True This Day

Kola

Comment #10

duckman — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 05:07:40 GMT

You can always look back and find patterns that have happened. What is not possible is consistently predicting that a certain pattern will continue or a specific new pattern will develop.

Comment #9

RJOh — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:29:32 GMT

When you say You're , who are you referring to

Comment #8

Toronto — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:18:57 GMT

You're better off figuring out the algorithm on scratchers

Comment #7

mightwin — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:56:40 GMT

You probably won't be the only one lol

Comment #6

noise-gate — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:45:53 GMT

The odds would not be that astronomical if there was a so called pattern to winning the lottery.

A mathematician once wrote the balls machine do not know that the balls are numbered Once they are spun, its anyone's guess.

These guys are chasing smoke.

Comment #5

sully16 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:42:31 GMT

We are all searching for ways to beat the lottery, I wrote the numbers down

Comment #4

Toronto — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:40:27 GMT

He completely misses the fact that there's been matrix changes during that time, making any previous data before the matrix change useless.

Imagine that! Nothing above 53 for white balls, only 37 above today's max of 35 [and this new matrix was only about a year + a month ago].

Someone really let Dr. Kim teach a statistics class

Comment #3

BuyLow — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:56:56 GMT

Like your avatar.... find a penny pick it up and all day long you'll have good luck.

Comment #2

JAP69 — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:46:19 GMT

Sounds like those in the news story looking for patterns need to come visit Lottery Post and see what players have been working on for quite some time.

Maybe ask questions. Our jackpot strategist will fill them in on a lot of info.

The person with the jackpot stats mentioned should have visited USA MEGA and found his frequency stats.

Comment #1

LottoPerro — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:33:52 GMT

I saw this the other day. But I am a believer in patterns developing. You just have to jump on it when the best one does.

Statisticians search for how to beat the lottery

Lottery Post — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:26:29 GMT

You've probably heard the saying: Liars figure, but figures don't lie. Well, it's probably true the chances of winning a Powerball jackpot is more than 1 in 175-million. Still, there's always somebody that thinks they can beat the system.

Whether it's your wedding anniversary, your birthday, your child's birthday, or the date of another event that's important to you, people typically pick random numbers as any state lottery official will tell you, every number drawn is completely random.

A... [ More ]