Kentucky Lottery keeps an eye on frequent winners

Comment #34

THRIFTY — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:20:18 GMT

Buying more lottery tickets increases your chances of winning, but you lose the most money in the short run.

Comment #33

cbr$ — Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:42:20 GMT

Data mining, I have believe was used to improve the Lottery product when sales drop below a expected level. The Lottery such know expect repeat winners. Any person who play a lot has numbers in each day sooner or later become your repeat winner. Kentucky Lottery player go slap this lottery in the face with back to back wins . Become the repeater. Get the money

Comment #32

hit tonite — Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:57:43 GMT

Hummm.... Now I wonder if KY Lottery trolls the Lottery Post KY forum??? I'm done! Not posting anymore numbers! Since we're being watched...... Probably HOLDING certain numbers I'm sure that we post.... I'm done! Will just troll as they do.... Honestly with the money from non winning tickets compared to what Kevin's won, it just does not add up! Just pure GREED! $77K, on a Billion dollar industry??? Are you kiddin me

Comment #31

hit tonite — Tue, 25 Nov 2014 01:46:22 GMT

Hey Chris! I'm in KY, and to think a smaller WIN of $600 over 4 tickets is under scrutiny??? I thought the smaller wins as u stated did stay under the radar??? Unless he cashes in at Lottery headquarters, which I don't advise... This article is very suspicious! You play to win and that's what Kevin did??? Unbelievable!!! Now I wonder when I cash out who's monitoring my winnings... Not even JACKPOTS just lil nickel and dime plays.... $77K!!! You go boy! That's what I'm talking about, I hope he ge... [ More ]

Comment #30

pickone4me — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:49:39 GMT

The problem with that, if they're keeping track of certain people, then that crosses over into something else. Since when Am I or anyone else state property

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GiveFive — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:39:24 GMT

Agreed, it's taxpayer money, but then the lottery is a voluntary tax. IMHO, it's far more important for a state lottery to have the appearance of being fair and honest than it is being transparent about mining the data. If players don't think the lottery is fair and honest, then a large portion of players wouldn't play. Players may not like the fact that the state is mining the data, but I doubt that'd be a reason why very many players would stop playing. Kentucky has freely admitted they mine t... [ More ]

Comment #28

JAP69 — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:43:55 GMT

They do not like paying out to one person on a regular basis. I remember one story I can not remember when a Missouri lottery player kept being questioned by the lottery how they were winning regularly.

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pickone4me — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:17:30 GMT

While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are mining the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it. They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

They're involved with taxpayer money, having transparency in their operations will make them less scrutinized. Trying to bring in an excuse like the computer and phone at wo... [ More ]

Comment #26

GiveFive — Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:40:19 GMT

While I do realize some people do not like the fact that state lottery's are mining the data, the fact of the matter is the data is their PROPERTY. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it, and they don't have to tell a soul what they're doing with it. They certainly don't have to justify their actions to anyone.

It's a lot like 'your' computer or telephone at work. You don't own it, your employer does. That's why employers can monitor (listen in on) your calls, watch what websites y... [ More ]

Comment #25

pickone4me — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:34:31 GMT

Comment #24

pickone4me — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:33:23 GMT

They must not like paying out all that money on pick 3. Two 's up for those people that have deciphered the pick 3 system. I find it funny the lottery is paranoid, they sure come off stasi like if they're that concerned about people winning a lot.

Comment #23

haymaker — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:13:10 GMT

OHH, Chip p, OK thanks.

That explains why I couldn't find him on the search.

I guess I was only 99% correct. LOL

Comment #22

grwurston — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:52:40 GMT

Yes, you are 100% correct. He was here as a member as chip p. The last time I remember chatting with him was when

G-Tech was going to take over Kentucky. I was going to reference that with a link, but my posts on that news story have

been deleted.

Comment #21

grwurston — Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:16:35 GMT

haymaker, You are are 100% correct!!! He has been here before as a member.

Comment #20

TnTicketlosers — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:22:25 GMT

Keith wins alot ..........they never change or do an update.

Comment #19

Stack47 — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 23:00:25 GMT

I don't know it to be fact, but I believe Keith cashes his tickets at lottery headquarters for the publicity. An LP member paid Keith a buck for six pick-3 numbers that were good for a week and one of his numbers hit straight.

In KY the most common bet is the back-up and why there are so many $700 and $800 winners shown on the website. I usually play a number multiple times and the local cashing agent assured me they will pay up to $6000 with zero paper work.

Comment #18

TnTicketlosers — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:26:48 GMT

It took me 7 years to figure it out and I did,I can hit Kentucky and Georgia pick 4,,,,,,,,,,now wait a minute,If I drive to exit 2 in Franklin and play everyday and hit,just because I know the system I wont be able to keep the money,win the money???????????....yea well I'll show you all.I hit Tennessee last night straight last night,,,,,,,,,did I play???????? no way......those computers will kick it out.....IM not stupid to her...But I know how to play.

Comment #17

TnTicketlosers — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:19:53 GMT

This happens in all states.Certain few can win it all,what does it matter????.All states have crooked people running the games.

Comment #16

LottoMetro — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:46:07 GMT

You're right had a brain fart but that doesn't change the fact that you have twice as many tickets to keep track of. For someone playing a lot of tickets very often this can be inconveniencing. And if you keep losses to offset wins, this means potentially twice as many boxes. Many players like Kevin probably don't think of the bet sizing strategy anyway; again, it comes down to whether you want to intentionally evade taxes or not go to the trouble and just pay your dues.

Comment #15

chris-chase — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:39:35 GMT

You wouldn't have to fill out any more playslips. You fill it out at .50cents. You just run the slip through the machine more times is all.

Comment #14

chris-chase — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:16:03 GMT

Maybe. But if you are trying to skirt some tax issues filling out some extra slips is worth it I would think.

Comment #13

chris-chase — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:13:55 GMT

I don't know then...a direct quote from the article reads as follows:

For any prize of $601 or more, we are going to give you the tax form and we are going to

withhold taxes as well, 25 percent federal and 6 percent state is typically withheld, said Polston.

what am I missing then

Comment #12

LottoMetro — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:10:49 GMT

Since he plays straights, this would require filing out twice as many playslips (in order to bet 50 cents each and still end up with $600 per hit). Based on his frequency of play I imagine he would get pretty tired of filing out that many slips even with advance play. Maybe Kevin just likes playing fewer tickets and taking them all at once to cash them.

He redeems his tickets at the claim center. The lottery issues a check. That is how they track him. So even if they weren't required to withh... [ More ]

Comment #11

chris-chase — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:04:06 GMT

Ok then the other question would be, for a seasoned player such as this guy why not play as such you don't have a $600 win on one ticket. Break up your numbers on 2 tickets. $300 on ea. Avoid the claim form as much as possible.

Comment #10

VenomV12 — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:53:49 GMT

Anywhere I have ever played $500 is the threshold and even if it was $600, that would be the amount you would have to come in to the office to cash a ticket, not $601, that's not how it works.

Comment #9

chris-chase — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:45:17 GMT

I don't get how he cashed 4 tickets worth $600ea. and they knew it was him. It states they don't have to make a claim form unless it is over $601. I thought those smaller hits helped us stay under the radar.

Comment #8

LottoMetro — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:35:14 GMT

They watch everybody. It has nothing to do with monitoring paranoid system players, more to do with identifying fraudsters. When it comes to the lottery, probability is king. If Bill works for the lottery vendor and his sister's grandson has collecting a bunch of prizes without spending very much, that raises red flags.

On the other hand, as Chip says about Kevin, those who spend a lot are expected to win a lot. But just because you win a lot doesn't mean you're luckier than the average joe.... [ More ]

Comment #7

ThatScaryChick — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:06:53 GMT

I agree. There are some people who will win more because they drop more money on the games. It doesn't mean they are shady. Now, if a store clerk were to come into a lot of winning tickets maybe I could see them keeping an eye on them because they might be stealing tickets from people who don't realize they have winners or buying other peoples winning tickets or something.

Comment #6

Freedom777 — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:49:19 GMT

I like your post dr65. It's crazy....Why can't the lottery just admit some people are really lucky.

Also, what they don't realize is, many of us study hard. We spend hours coming up with numbers. If that results in a win, we EARNED it.

I dream of the day I'm winning constantly. I have been putting in my time for years studying and hopes it pays off.

Comment #5

dr65 — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:23:02 GMT

So what. He had 30 tickets worth about $600 each in a year. There are 365 days in a year and they're

watching him?

They allow you to play as many tickets as you want along with as many games as you want to play

and the scoff at repeat winners or feel the need to keep data on them? I think the state lottery has

too many employees. If they've been keeping track of repeat winners for years is that then just a

safety put into place to prevent them from being 'had' or ripped off? I thi... [ More ]

Comment #4

LottoMetro — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 17:03:23 GMT

I located a video with Kevin's interview and he definitely plays a lot.

He plays $10 per ticket (full board) and uses the same numbers on every ticket, i.e. all 111-999 for each ticket. So like many of the predictors here on LP he uses the multiplier effect, which results in higher variance between wins but also larger prize amounts when hits do come.

The article is also ambiguous as to who stated that Kevin plays $10-$20 a day, and it turns out that Kevin is actually the one who claims th... [ More ]

Comment #3

str8ca$hhomie — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:55:42 GMT

Keith Price is a well known celebrated Pick 3 player from Kentucky. I'm sure he's on their radar and perhaps might even be conveniently disguised as Kevin .

Comment #2

LottoMetro — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:34:31 GMT

Lotteries have been monitoring repeat winners for as long as I remember. Not just for security but also out of curiosity, as Chip says, data mining.

They can even tell when the big players play because sales will spike at certain locations in short periods of time. If someone wins frequently at a particular store and this correlates to sales at the time of the purchase, the lottery can determine how much that player is spending and how often they play.

Based on the $20K estimate, Kevin ha... [ More ]

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haymaker — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 16:17:32 GMT

Chip Polston used to post on here as Chippolston2 if I remember right, hav'nt heard from him in awhile.

Kentucky Lottery keeps an eye on frequent winners

Lottery Post — Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:44:55 GMT

In the last fiscal year, the Kentucky Lottery paid out $495 million, and a lot of them were repeat winners.

One man over a 12-month period cashed 25 tickets worth $77,000.

Lottery officials said one thread runs true when it comes to repeat winners.

The last few years I've been a little lucky. It's mostly luck, I guess, said one winner, who asked only to be identified as Kevin.

Last month, WLKY's Steve Burgin met up with Kevin at lottery headquarters, where he cashed four winning Pic... [ More ]